the emo canon

i once sat through a solo performance by the dude from rainer maria and it was the worst thing ever. but i recall liking some actual rainer maria.

guy got gradually more and more "rockstar" / ridiculous with each rm show

crowd singalongs to this were crucial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntUFNYKr0oU

torn between giving all these bands another shot or continuing to loathe based on the heartbreak of finally getting to college and finding out the cool kids only cared about this shit and not what i'd studied for years in spin (plus white belts, wtf)

also what was that other band that always got compared to rm or at least the rm crowd seemed to also like them with guy from salute your shorts? i didn't really like them.

i just wanted to dress like a middle-aged man from dayton and play sloppy power chords was that so wrong

i went on a blind-date once to a show where rainer maria opened for ...and you will know us by the trail of dead

I am a middle aged man who likes some Sense Field.

Undertones Buzzcocks. Charlie Feathers

Emogasm

also what was that other band that always got compared to rm or at least the rm crowd seemed to also like them with guy from salute your shorts? i didn't really like them.

i love you

I'm not really convinced that, aside from the Juno recs, emo ever spawned a better album than Brand New's The Devil and God...

the devil and god is the only third/fourth-wave emo record that i think everyone would like

everyone in the world

who likes dark riffy things

And it's only their second best album! Well, I'll always stan for Deja Entendu

and then they transformed into a radically boring band

;_; the last two RM albums are a couple of my favourite records ever!

185 messages in and no-ones mentioned the "big three of emo" circa 1995: Indian Summer, Current & Ordination Of Aaron.
Honestly I haven't listened to any of those bands since at 1998 but at the time they were the touchstones.
Uaing the term loosely, the shit that meant most to me at the time: Rites Of Spring, Embrace, Moss Icon, The Hated, Universal Order Of Armageddon, Clikatat Ikatowi, Heroin, Antioch Arrow, Angel Hair, Merel, Native Nod, Jawbox, Jawbreaker, Hoover.
I stuck around for a while when The Promise Ring, Braid, Texas Is The Reason 2nd wave started but that scene ultimately bummed me out and I spent way more time listening to Throbbing Gristle & The Normal.

my trinity was always really saetia, you & i, and joshua fit for battle

amusing that so many seem reluctant to include first wave emo in the emo canon.

No wait the word im looking for is 'baffling'

*Goes off to listen to the non sick mouthy approved Embrace*

well you're just assuming we're all on-board with the first/second/third wave paradigm

i kind of prefer to think of rites of spring etc as "proto" and MCR etc as "post"

the damn stuff was called emo at the time!

yeah but we get to change the names of things when we talk about history

Oh yeah, you're American.

Cant wait for the Texas History of Emo schoolbooks!

I doubt I'm much older than the OP and when I was first hearing about/listening to/arguably playing "emo", it was this noisy mathy screamy music (the stuff that fourfa guy writes about) with roots in Rites of Spring etc. I think I just thought of these bands as "pop" or "indie rock", actually. I've got no problem with ALL of this stuff (including MCR) being included as "emo" but it seems bizarre to me to restrict the definition to these bands.

(Four Minute Mile sounds more post-Superchunk than anything to me, btw. Also, I think I feel less perverse now: Angel Hair and Fall Out Boy were both really tight bands while GUK seem to be going for a loose, sloppy aesthetic.)

Clikatat Ikatowi

yes

Hoover

YES

gonna go d/l The Lurid Traversal of Route 7 right now

well you're just assuming we're all on-board with the first/second/third wave paradigm

i kind of prefer to think of rites of spring etc as "proto" and MCR etc as "post"

― ♆ (gr8080), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:20 PM (48 minutes ago)

I don't even listen to emo and I though the whole first/second/third wave thing was pretty standard? I was a freshman in college for second wave emo... I mean thats what we fucking called it - second wave.

So where do Straylight Run and Taking Back Sunday fit in? And Jimmy Eat World? Is Glassjaw emo? And how come in this entire thread there's only ONE mention of Sunny Day Real Estate (that I can find)?

Methinks some of ILM is confused about Emo...

(Also, I'm curious what da croupier was studying in Spin to try to be cool.:P)

http://i.imgur.com/J6H5v.jpg

OTM

Just listened to Rainer Maria Look Now Look Again thanks to this thread. So good!

tbs + glassjaw fit in under mallcore lulz

was cursive?

on the rites of spring issue

i agree they are basically a hardcore band

but back then it was like are you "emotional" compared to like thick necked boston dudes that wanted to beat you to death with lock in a sock and drink budweiser out of your skull, so, different times

Early Cursive certainly must count as emo. The more recent stuff is more straight-up indie rock imo.

lol M@tt that should be a poll

It came a little too late and was a little too weird to count as canon, but the first Lovesick record is absolutely outstanding and pushes all the same buttons for me:

http://www.youtube.com/v/W8HHPU-clXA&fs=1&hl=en

lol @ Juliana Theory being mentioned in this thread -- i heard about them a lot in high school from a friend whose cousin was in that band. there was definitely a point in the late '90s where suddenly all my friends were listening to early Jimmy Eat World and At The Drive-In and i would turn up my nose at that stuff and half-heartedly try to get them into whatever vaguely emo thing i could stand like Joan of Arc or the Dismemberment Plan. and then by the end of senior year i was playing drums in a screamo band because they were the only guys i knew who wanted to do anything remotely punk.

man the guitarist from embrace was really something else. never heard an 80s hc dude playing like that, the guy was def in a league of his own at the time. a fucken hero!

it occurs to me today how many bands the anniversary invented

i went on a blind-date once to a show where rainer maria opened for ...and you will know us by the trail of dead

― ♆ (gr8080), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:50 (Yesterday) Permalink

could go either way

I'll throw up 'These Are Not Fall Colors' by Lync up for consideration, too.

indian summer and saetia are good calls imo

did anyone mention i hate myself?

wow that's a real band name!

those guys rocked

man the guitarist from embrace was really something else.
love mike hampton so much. happy by his band the snakes is one of my favorite dischord-related obscurities - a kinda indefensible parody record with that happens to have some really amazing anglo-pop songs on it. it isn't remotely emo but, um, check him on that one last wish upthread!

POX EMO BANDS

indian summer
moss icon
current
policy of 3
mohinder
hoover
rites of spring
embassy
assfactor 4 (do u count them as emo? i count them as emo, or punk rock i guess.)
native nod (dave from this band, along with his girlfriend, just put out a really good roots-pop rekkerd with killer harmony vox. the band is called trummors. i love it.)

one time i went to a piebald show and ppl were shouting for "grace kelly" and travis was like "yeah we don't really play that anymore" and that's when i knew the scene was over #emorecollections

ha i think that happened at a fugazi show where a guy was threatening to kill them if they didn't play minor threat.

yeah some things never change

btw a funny thing that happened -- someone my wife entirely missed this scene -- we were watching tv the other night and an ad came on for dashboard confessional playing somewhere huge (msg?? idk) and she was like "what?? what the hell is this awful music??" and i O_O and felt that she was so lucky, in a way.