the emo canon

bsf rules but i dont think theyre emo

certainly not anything post-after the eulogy. i guess "vehicle" is arguably emo/emo-ish?

bsf were easily emo, they were posterboys, i mean that ep was called "this crying, this screaming, my voice was being born". those shows were such cryfests. full confession they were the first hardcore band i liked.

but eventually got over them. "rookie" off of after the eulogy shows up in the boston phoenix' top 100 emo songs of all time not that that's a deciderer or anything.

yeah but theyre WAY to the hxc edge of braid or tpr or guk. like way way harder

i guess if were doing an all-inclusive rites-of-spring-inspired list then yah. but based on the selections in the op i dont think they fit

yeah early BSF is def emo

juliana theory is proto-third-wave bullshit at best

title track on after the eulogy way better than rookie

WHERES YOUR ANGER WHERES YOUR FUCKIN RAGE

w/e we already went emocore in thread re: moss icon, etc

the juliana theory's up in that phoenix list too though i didn't like august in bethany that they chose. understand this is a dream came out in 1999, there's stuff in this thread already from then or later. i played for evangeline out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIfrur2WQq0

It's not that The Juliana Theory came too late, they just weren't really that good!

lol ok

this is the song i always think abt when i think of them. its so bad its good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5vXuVrG08k

lol i can't remember what the exact scenario was but re: if i told you this was killing me, that lyric "now you`re drowning in your own saliva trying to speak yourself to the top of your empty world" i think there was a previous version that was less ridiculous, and for whatever reason "top of your empty world" then was "top of your hardcore world", still want to know what the change was about

who mentioned jejune

i've got a lot of thanks for you

man i almost forgot about Jejune

"this afternoon's malady" is a great album.

also:

i was hoping for more rainer maria love on this thread

― i've got a cock like the M79 (electricsound), Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:39 AM (10 hours ago)

otm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USXbLvjilvI

listened to the first two rainer maria records this morning and man they were a haphazard band but so great

and then they transformed into a radically boring band

hi emo canon thread! i once sat through a solo performance by the dude from rainer maria and it was the worst thing ever. but i recall liking some actual rainer maria.

now that i think of it, mike kinsella was playing that show (as Owen, I guess) and that first record of his might be the only emo-y thing i'd want to hear these days.

Everything Falls Apart beat Rites of Spring by two years.

American Football
Promise Ring. Solid

No Dag Nasty. Or Gray Matter? Ground Zero? 76% Uncertain?

Rainer Maria - excellent. Mystery and Misery

i once sat through a solo performance by the dude from rainer maria and it was the worst thing ever. but i recall liking some actual rainer maria.

guy got gradually more and more "rockstar" / ridiculous with each rm show

crowd singalongs to this were crucial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntUFNYKr0oU

torn between giving all these bands another shot or continuing to loathe based on the heartbreak of finally getting to college and finding out the cool kids only cared about this shit and not what i'd studied for years in spin (plus white belts, wtf)

also what was that other band that always got compared to rm or at least the rm crowd seemed to also like them with guy from salute your shorts? i didn't really like them.

i just wanted to dress like a middle-aged man from dayton and play sloppy power chords was that so wrong

i went on a blind-date once to a show where rainer maria opened for ...and you will know us by the trail of dead

I am a middle aged man who likes some Sense Field.

Undertones Buzzcocks. Charlie Feathers

Emogasm

also what was that other band that always got compared to rm or at least the rm crowd seemed to also like them with guy from salute your shorts? i didn't really like them.

i love you

I'm not really convinced that, aside from the Juno recs, emo ever spawned a better album than Brand New's The Devil and God...

the devil and god is the only third/fourth-wave emo record that i think everyone would like

everyone in the world

who likes dark riffy things

And it's only their second best album! Well, I'll always stan for Deja Entendu

and then they transformed into a radically boring band

;_; the last two RM albums are a couple of my favourite records ever!

185 messages in and no-ones mentioned the "big three of emo" circa 1995: Indian Summer, Current & Ordination Of Aaron.
Honestly I haven't listened to any of those bands since at 1998 but at the time they were the touchstones.
Uaing the term loosely, the shit that meant most to me at the time: Rites Of Spring, Embrace, Moss Icon, The Hated, Universal Order Of Armageddon, Clikatat Ikatowi, Heroin, Antioch Arrow, Angel Hair, Merel, Native Nod, Jawbox, Jawbreaker, Hoover.
I stuck around for a while when The Promise Ring, Braid, Texas Is The Reason 2nd wave started but that scene ultimately bummed me out and I spent way more time listening to Throbbing Gristle & The Normal.

my trinity was always really saetia, you & i, and joshua fit for battle

amusing that so many seem reluctant to include first wave emo in the emo canon.

No wait the word im looking for is 'baffling'

*Goes off to listen to the non sick mouthy approved Embrace*

well you're just assuming we're all on-board with the first/second/third wave paradigm

i kind of prefer to think of rites of spring etc as "proto" and MCR etc as "post"

the damn stuff was called emo at the time!

yeah but we get to change the names of things when we talk about history

Oh yeah, you're American.

Cant wait for the Texas History of Emo schoolbooks!

I doubt I'm much older than the OP and when I was first hearing about/listening to/arguably playing "emo", it was this noisy mathy screamy music (the stuff that fourfa guy writes about) with roots in Rites of Spring etc. I think I just thought of these bands as "pop" or "indie rock", actually. I've got no problem with ALL of this stuff (including MCR) being included as "emo" but it seems bizarre to me to restrict the definition to these bands.

(Four Minute Mile sounds more post-Superchunk than anything to me, btw. Also, I think I feel less perverse now: Angel Hair and Fall Out Boy were both really tight bands while GUK seem to be going for a loose, sloppy aesthetic.)

Clikatat Ikatowi

yes

Hoover

YES

gonna go d/l The Lurid Traversal of Route 7 right now

well you're just assuming we're all on-board with the first/second/third wave paradigm

i kind of prefer to think of rites of spring etc as "proto" and MCR etc as "post"

― ♆ (gr8080), Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:20 PM (48 minutes ago)

I don't even listen to emo and I though the whole first/second/third wave thing was pretty standard? I was a freshman in college for second wave emo... I mean thats what we fucking called it - second wave.

So where do Straylight Run and Taking Back Sunday fit in? And Jimmy Eat World? Is Glassjaw emo? And how come in this entire thread there's only ONE mention of Sunny Day Real Estate (that I can find)?

Methinks some of ILM is confused about Emo...

(Also, I'm curious what da croupier was studying in Spin to try to be cool.:P)

http://i.imgur.com/J6H5v.jpg

OTM