the emo canon

but yeah:

hot water music - no division

+ that get up kids coalesce cover

American Football - s/t

This is probably my favorite "emo" album ever, but/because it's like a post-rock version of emo.

i need to get that moss icon set when i have the money. will be niceafter only having mp3s all these years

small brown bike - dead reckoning

worse/'most emo' band name ever

well i did it anyway

cursive: domestica
the get up kids: four minute mile
the get up kids: something to write home about
saves the day: through being cool
saves the day: stay what you are
taking back sunday: tell all your friends
brand new: deja entendu
brand new: the devil and god are raging inside me
thursday: full collapse
fall out boy: take this to your grave
say anything: ... is a real boy

I was never personally all that into emo, but references to Small Brown Bike and Mock Orange are super-nostalgic for me b/c I had friends who liked/played basement shows with them in the late '90s.

Oh yeah, thats a good list of latter day emo albums. Good call on the first TBS record.

really loving that Words Come Back track, TWU!

I know I've said this elsewhere but I saw The Hated in an Indiana cornfield in 1989 and they were awesome. I even did an interview with them that is preserved on video. I will totally buy a reissue, glad to hear it's in the works. I used to have one of the tapes and both singles, but I sold them like a dumbass when I got really into noize.

Glad you dug it, Thermo. That song has been described as the Ur Document of emo, 'cause it was the first song of pain we did that didn't go druggy in the middle.

We played a Bloomington basement in August or September '88, sleeve, and that was our last show in Indiana -- are you thinking of that show? Or maybe an earlier one, without me (I don't mean "me" per se, I am using it as an abbreviation for "that M33d3r person" -- also by "we" I mean "the Hated", whom I feel like I know from their wonderful recordings) -- did the bass player have a Rickenbacker or a Yamaha headless?

Another small band that didn't get a lot of national recognition but made scene waves was Ashes from Washington, D.C. - really pretty female vocals over palm-muted crunchy chords.

let me also recommend Scarab (who partially went on to become One True Thing). You can download their whole discography here: http://porvidapunk.blogspot.com/2011/09/scarab-discography.html

Lamp wrt to:

ive always sorta gravitated towards the beardier, slower stuff

were you ever in to Three Mile Pilot?

I love Three Mile Pilot!

i'm glad saves the day and lifetime are getting mentioned-- i dont consider them emo canon but they are v v awesome and important

also thank you for posting The Hated-- how had i never heard of this band?

early At The Drive In also def belongs somewhere in or close to the canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdkBqI6dhg

Sure, ATDI should fit in. What about Quicksand? They were a bit closer to the weird 1994-era alternative/metal crossover but are considered a major influence on a lot of bands. And if we consider Lifetime, than their spin-off band Kid Dynamite could also be a contender.

does hot water music count

i feel like everyone that was talking about braid back then was also talking hwm

Probably also Goddamnit and the self-titled singles comp by Alkaline Trio probably deserve a spot.

my missus is all about this stuff

find myself quite partial to braid frame and canvas

cant remember if it's save the day or get up kids i cant abide, probably both tbf

Has anyone agreed on when 3rd wave emo started? im not sure you can really say the get up kids are 3rd wave when they started the same time as some 2nd wave bands!

Anyway I'll rep for Something to Write Home About all day long. and promise ring too

im not sure you can really say the get up kids are 3rd wave when they started the same time as some 2nd wave bands!

eh i rope them in b/c take this to your grave is essentially a tribute to four minute mile

anyway at gunpoint i'd say third wave began with something to write home about and through being cool in '99

probably also an argument to be made for 2001-2002 with your favorite weapon and tell all your friends

i only ever dabbled in this stuff so i wont argue, but in my mind they were 2nd wave but it hardly matters.

i forgot how much i liked still life!

i should go listen to them again

van pelt y'all

were you ever in to Three Mile Pilot?

ive never even heard of them! this thread has been super informative cuz i was at best a dabbler in late emo i just had all the bright eyes cds i mean all the bright eyes cds

texas is the reason is otm i was trying and failing to remember them last nite

[if I started posting like Mohinder and Angel Hair youtubes or whatever it would effectively ruin the thread right

Not for me.

i will rep for the 1st 3 bright eyes albums and commander venus. And anyone who hates Desaparecidos can fuck off!

I already knew and liked "Everysong" but I was glad for the other two Hated links!

AG otm, Desaparecidos is easily the best thing Oberst has ever done (and I'm likely more of his stan than anyone else on this board) and I keep hoping the rumors of another album come true one of these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZtgoTQRH4c

i was rocking dashboard in the car this week. saints + sailors, vindicated... no screaming infidelities tho, or hands down.

i like some of his more recent stuff too - belle of blvd is not bad, thick as thieves, get me right was a jam

(Angel Hair - Pregnant with the Senior Class = classic for me)

oh man Lampski you gotta hear this record:

http://i.imgur.com/w26gk.jpg

def too post-rock/post-hardcore/almost proggy to be emo canon but def of the same universe.

and they covered eno!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzp7lszaO0

it's the dudes who went on to form Black Heart Procession

also big up Desciparecidos

On the very tip of the post-rock end of the spectrum I nominate Juno's This is the Way it Goes and Goes and Goes.

(for reference:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYLbCH08OI

+1 for saves the day - stay what you are
jawbreaker - dear you was also a pretty big album for me+my emo friends

i might also mention that i was getting some SERIOUS late 90s emo vibes from Abe Vigoda when i saw em live a couple years back

FAIRWEATHER!

their last album Lusitania was killer!

it's the dudes who went on to form Black Heart Procession

and Pinback too.

this song seems like your steez kind of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcsWGydETxc

I missed the boat on all this stuff and knew a bunch of college radio guys who were like five to ten years younger than me (I just turned 38) who were way into a lot of the bands mentioned here.

I've since listened to a lot of these records out of curiosity as I respect the tastes of a lot of these people, but nothing ever really clicked for me though I don't really hate any of it. I think you had to be into it at a certain point in your life, probably like a lot stuff I loved when I was 18 or whatever.

This really isn't my wheelhouse, especially considering how vocal I was about my hatred for MANY of these bands at the time. Still, glad to see at least one person threw a bone to Samiam.

Man, Three Mile Pilot is another band that I ... like, totally would have checked out if the Internet in 1999 were like it is now. Heard their praises plenty. But yeah, I'm really digging that. I'm a Pinback fan, though, so.

Two more late Hated songs, because I underrepresented Erik:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL1r4-_3c7M

That's "Lighthouse" and "Miggy's Delight". The Miggy's Delight take is a very early one where I am still learning the song and writing the bassline, and from the unstoppable 8th notes thing I have going on, Ken the drummer was probably smoked out at that session and I was mostly trying to keep the tempo from sloooooowing.

Oh damn that Promise Ring show I'm going to is next weekend not next month. I gotta brush up on some of this stuff before the show. It's been a while. Thanking everyone for The Hated vids btw.