Frank Ocean - Channel Orange (2012)

the feelgood LET LOVE RINNGG blah blah homo camp

wtf

yeah i don't agree w/ any of that

maybe now that he's being more honest and transparent with the public he might consider performing under his birth name, "frank ocean" really is just the corniest stage name imo

i think that's an incredibly cynical read of the situation. i also don't think that theory is supported by what actually happened.

al, i think he legally changed his name to "frank ocean"

so it's not marketing, it didn't get his name out there, people aren't talking about him more than before?

al, i think he legally changed his name to "frank ocean"

― J0rdan S., Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:26 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

well that makes it even sadder. i said 'birth name' anyway though.

what's the endpoint of that argument? he really should have stayed closeted, you know, true to the music, no gimmicks...

xp well i like the name frank ocean fwiw.

so it's not marketing, it didn't get his name out there, people aren't talking about him more than before?

― fauxmarc, Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

alright, so what isn't marketing?

if my name was "lonny breaux" i would probably search for a stage name, too

why? i mean besides that people might struggle to pronounce the last name.

people being all eye-rolly fake-industry types talking about this as a brilliant marketing move, could, conceivably, be half-right on some level, but are still being assholes

oceans are pretty gangster imo

c'mon s1ocki we wouldn't even KNOW you're canadian if you weren't blatantly using it to further your career

frank giant squids down there

it's not an argument on my end, not saying he shouldn't have done it, he can do whatever he wants - i'm just stating an aspect of what happened that people are apparently opposed to believing, which is fine.

what isn't marketing? water gun fights by the pool, baking a cheesecake, there are a lot of options, but i'm not sure what good the answers to that are for.

gonna change my last name to maple

the headband is definitely not marketing, he was born with that thing.

so sick and tired of the Canadian agenda

like, I don't mind that Seth Rogan is Canadian but does he have to keep stuffing it under my toque

i'm just stating an aspect of what happened that people are apparently opposed to believing, which is fine.

this is pretty distorted. i don't think anyone is denying that his revelation may result in more of his albums being sold, but your initial post insinuated that it his decision to "come out" was (partly?) driven by marketing. and yeah, i don't believe that.

pierre maple

it will help him market an album that includes love songs that refer to its subject by a male pronoun. but, y'know, art before commerce.

as someone who never had go through something like hiding one's sexual identity and then come out about it, i'm certainly not going to monday morning quarterback how or why someone else's decision was made.

franc mer

it's not an argument on my end, not saying he shouldn't have done it, he can do whatever he wants - i'm just stating an aspect of what happened that people are apparently opposed to believing, which is fine.

huh?

i think you guys are willfully misreading the tone of the phrase "the feelgood LET LOVE RINNGG blah blah homo camp"

I invite FOXmarc to visit the gay thread anytime to watch how jolly this Lenny Kravitz homo camp can be in action.

i think you guys are willfully misreading the tone of the phrase "the feelgood LET LOVE RINNGG blah blah homo camp"

― some dude, Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

in what way?

also the phrase "marketing tactic"

now you're REALLY misreading my sarcastic tone, but not willfully (xpost)

A cicerone shouldn't overstep his (putatively) potable ambit, I guess. That's what I take from the indignant diorama Frank's orientation-teratism has metastatized from his extended mishpocha, from Speech to Lil B the now-debased. Prejudice sucks. Sure, all moral panics are eventually fungible, and uxorious gazumping has a dollar value when cathected out to the masses. Shit sells. But if there's one thing I learned as a glossolalic music critic back when Pitchfork was still a chimerical cryptopolis (before the pre-ordained ourobotic death spiral towards the idiolectic, go figure) it's that it's always better to play out your dangerous moves as a duodectet if you want to avoid the gravemen of the mythosphere. And that applies whether identity politics bibelots are set firmly aside or brought along for the ride, comprende? Fuck that shit, Frank. Deep in the pyramid they're playing your song.

thank you based luriqua

(putatively) potable

Frank Ocean is a great name, it's like he's the son of Billy Ocean.

I think Grampsy has an acute case of thesaurus poisoning

dafuq

i'll take putative potables for $200

lol

he should change it to frankly oceanic

And please, tone down the "jive talk", would you? I swear, ever since Hipster Runoff started up you young 'uns have been making less sense than a cat in a daisy suit. Try to use only words that appear in Webster's Dictionary and Farmer's Almanac.

― Grampsy, Wednesday, July 4, 2012 4:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol am0n

great post grampsy

lol "FOXmarc"

p sure the objectionably cynical part of that post was "making it a point to (sort of?) come out and associate yourself" rather than whatever the second bit was meant to be

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Foghorn_Leghorn.png/175px-Foghorn_Leghorn.png

"In a daisy suit, that is."

yeah, the blossom of cynicism that popped up right after my post was exactly what i was talking about
it's just odd to me that there's a wave of people who can only process this kinda statement as "well CLEARLY this is about sales for his new album and brand positioning" as opposed to presuming that the lion's share of dude's message was that he doesn't feel a need to hide his personal tastes

a bit from column a and column b, omitting the word "clearly"

i guess I'm not buying it? I think he's gonna have to deal with being "the gay r&b singer" for the next ten years now; don't see how that's really going to help his career in the long or the short run... especially when dude has made such a big deal about not wanting to be pigeonholed

well he didn't want to be pigeonholed as R&B.

What I can tell you, forks? People are complicated. I don't see why ambition and spiritual ease couldn't both have motivated him.

I had deleted a post because some dude said pretty much the exact same thing in fewer words but the marketing angle here seems to be much more "this story is germane to some of the subject matter on this album" and is tied directly to the desire to be more forthcoming about who he is attracted to; releasing it early is tied to the idea of taking control of a growing narrative but seems to me to be a secondary concern.

i suppose both played some part, but given the genuine courage something like this would've taken I would prefer to err on the side of being more naive than more jaded