Defend the Indefensible: Genesis' "Invisible Touch"

"This album brings back so many good memories and fun times?"

For me too in a way. A lot of those songs remind me of being 9 years old, driving around with my dad and being really happy and (pardon the idyllic childhood flashback cliche) carefree. That was also the year that I went on a family trip to Vancouver for the first time for the World Exposition. It was all over the radio. Whenever I hear those songs I still think of mountains.

Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and Phil Collins try to summon this vibe in the "Invisible Touch" video.

(I'm not aiming the snark at you or anyone here, btw)

I find this comment to be really weird when you're defending Collins-led Genesis (who were middle-aged guys in suits playing the sort of soft rock that Dads actually would sing at karaoke.). Unless the point is just that they stopped pretending to be anything else and fully accepted who they were.

Anyway, I like the song OK when it's on the radio, haven't heard the album, and have a hard time believing it's better than the Gabriel-era group.

Precisely.

Except back in the mid 70s ("A Trick Of The Rail", "Wind And Wuthering"), when there were no hit singles at all. Genesis at their best didn't make hit singles. Simply because 12 minute suites were never hit singles.

For the first time in years I want to reread American Psycho.

...but "Land Of Confusion" was released before "Big Time". No?

"Land Of Confusion" sounds nothing like "Big Time" anyway though.

Doesn't take much.

And, yes, most of the tracks on the second worst album by Genesis ("Invisible Touch") are better than most of those on their worst ("We Can't Dance")

In a word: no.

I still maintain the Donkey Kong Country games are channeling this album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwx5A8Z1n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLCfc2Nabj4

Apart from a great synth solo by Tony Banks, "In Too Deep" is horrible, horrible, horrible.

But this album did, after all contain "Land Of Confusion", "Tonight Tonight Tonight" and "Domino", so it wasn't all bad.

"Land of Confusion" over "In Too Deep"? Really? I don't think either of them are much in touch with 70s Genesis but "In Too Deep" is easily more melodic.

I still hate Collins for this era of the band

like I liked the Abacab era for fuck's sake, but this, blech

"Land Of Confusion" has contrasting sections and mood changes. The only thing "In Too Deep" has is a contrasting solo. (And that part of the song is actually great).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jMX8qK7dY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz7bqxeVgNw

I still hate Collins for this era of the band

as opposed to the era of the band when they recorded halfhearted, the seams-are-showing prog?

u nuts

In Prog magazine, Pendragon are making a big issue out of how their latest album starts with a drum machine loop and how groundbreaking that is for a prog band to do something lik that. They must have superseded 80s Genesis (and 80s IQ even as well)....

When Gabriel left, so did the band's prog instincts. Look at their solo projects! Collins and Rutherford wanted to be pop musicians! They were better at it!

jesus Pendragon are still going? they must have awesome trust funds

think that had to do more with Steve Hackett leaving tbh, as they were still prog briefly after Gabriel left

I should have really revived a Donkey Kong Country thread & put 'The Brazillian' on it. I rue this day!

also "Selling England by the Pound" is great fuiud

i don't think that's strictly true Alfred. they were a band with a bunch of disparate songwriters in from the beginning, and the earlier Prog stuff feels more like the result of 3 or 4 writers pulling in different directions than a concerted style. Gabriel was never even given total lyrical control until The Lamb. i feel like they had more in common with yr Jeff Lynnes or 10CCs than with Yes or Gong or the Canterbury guys etc

That's fair.

When Gabriel left, so did the band's prog instincts. Look at their solo projects! Collins and Rutherford wanted to be pop musicians! They were better at it!

The musical brain of 70s Genesis was just as much Tony Banks as Peter Gabriel. On their two excellent 1976 albums (the first two without Peter Gabriel), he was the de-facto leader of the band. And even on his solo projects, Tony Banks has been pretty much proggy all along, maybe save for a couple of his late 80s albums.

didn't they pursue individual songwriting credits for a brief four-year span or something?

i feel like they had more in common with yr Jeff Lynnes or 10CCs than with Yes or Gong or the Canterbury guys etc

I'd argue Yes (maybe apart from the "Relayer" album) had more in common with Genesis than with Cantebury and other more experimental forms of prog.

i think Genesis were one of the more ear-catchy prog bands too, dammit. like...I love King Crimson too, but I can see how they polarize people with their noodling experiments.

didn't they pursue individual songwriting credits for a brief four-year span or something?

They did. And it appeared most of the lead tracks on their late 70s albums were done by Tony Banks. Even on "Duke" (where Phil took care of most of the hits), Tony wrote more tracks than the others.

He has a very distinctive sound though, like in the way he does the chord changes, and his typical sound is heard less from "Abacab" onwards. At least until "Calling All Stations", where it seems like he took the lead in the songwriting biz again.

Even on "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway", there is "The Lamia", which - apart from the lyrics - is archetypically Tony Banks.

from memory: post Gabriel the songs get individual writer credits, but i cd be wrong. certainly by And Then There Were Three they were, and almost definitely from that up to the s/t I think. Hackett cited a lack of opportunities for his stuff as the main reason for leaving, and as I said, Gabriel writing all the lyrics for TLLDoB was seen by the band as being a big deal. a lot of the pre Lamb stuff is at least recognisably dominated by one of the band, notably Banks and Hackett I think.

i own it on vinyl which makes it a little more problematic to skip stuff but i guess i'll just plough through again cuz i respect y'alls greater knowledge and appreciation of genesis

"Mouse's Night" is great!

i've got a degree of affection for the last bit of it but to call it fucking ridiculous wd be an understatement

mind you, don't you like that horrible "Epping Forest" fuck up as well?

"The Battle Of Epping Forest" is fantastic. Everything on that particular album is.

United in our differences, bro :)

my fingers hesitate to type this, but.....Geir OTM?

it's like they had this 30 minute bad Monty Python skit and tried to shove it in a 10 minute song which ends up being rushed, too much verbiage and embarrassingly silly voices. Sandwiched in between the stretched-out lushness of "Firth of Fifth" and "Cinema Show" it's just like a big red unsightly boil

No, it's a great symphonic rock/pop song, with lots of nice contrasting sections. Instead of thinking Monty Python, think 10cc. (And see also "Get'em Out By Friday").

I love Battle of Epping too but I'm aware of its red headed stepchild status among Genesis fans

Also along with "Get'em Out By Friday". I love both, but then I also love such 10cc tracks as "Une Nuit a Paris", "Don't Hang Up" and "Somewhere In Hollywood".

i just feel like they're pandering to a section of the fanbase at that point by doing longer tracks even tho they seem much more into their poppier stuff.

I dunno, I have some live tapes from this area and I gotta say they really go all out on "Domino" -- if it is pandering they are hiding the insincerity very well.

Not enough love for "The Brazilian" on this thread. The ballads on this are terrible, and I never again need to hear "Land of Confusion" or "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight," but I heard the title track to this on the radio the other day and I was surprised by the extent to which I wanted to keep listening to it. The production sonuds terrible though. Someone should cover it!

I wrote this about Invisible Touch last year:

Genesis - Invisible Touch

My memories of this album seem to cluster around the age of six years old, and days spent listening to whatever was playing in the living room while staring at the intricate patterns in the carpet. That would peg my relationship with Genesis to 1988; it's possible my parents purchased this album previously, but I didn't become a music critic until about six, so any prior memories have not been documented.

At the time Genesis - even mid-eighties Genesis, and indeed no other incarnation existed for me - seemed fantastically dramatic and serious and weighty, qualities that attracted and repulsed with equal measure, and stood distinct from the nostalgist soundtrack fare ('Dirty Dancing', 'Good Morning Vietnam', 'The Big Chill') that comprised the balance of my inadvertent listening in the late eighties. This is in part because it was dramatic and serious and weighty in its presentation, but also in part due to my imposition of a concept album-like narrative arc over the songs, some sort of love-struggle between our hero and a mysterious, seductive succubus, or at times between our hero's task to save the world and his debilitating desire for the femme fatale. This probably stemmed from the actual lyrics of "Invisible Touch", mixed in with ideas and allusions taken from my motley collection of then-favourite films and stories ('Dracula', 'Blade Runner', above all Fritz Lang's 'Metropolis', the Moroder version) plus some sort of general horrified fascination with the concept of desire per se, to become something much more ominous than a "straight" reading of the song would suggest - less invisible touch, more invisible taint.

In some senses the album is better than I remember, but only in senses that I was too young to articulate or care about at the time, so it would be more accurate to say it has characteristics I can now identify with approval: those snazzy programmed beats in the title track, and its across-the-board panache; the Moroderesque middle section of "Domino", which I cannot remember at all, and now seems like some weird cross of Donna Summer's 'Once Upon A Time' and Simple Minds' 'Empires & Dance' (the joy and pain of rediscovery often boiling down to shifting reference points in the interim), the buzzing pomp and circumstance of "The Brazilian" which just about defies comparison with anything ever (if only because not all sounds which can be made should be) - unless it's the theoretical possibility of what would have happened if Trevor Horn had joined Yes only after producing Frankie Goes To Hollywood,

In other ways, it's lesser - most obviously in the vocals, Phil Collins frequently sounding pinched and strained, as if he was patched in from a toilet. But mostly, it's not that the album is bad so much as that what moved 6 year old me doesn't move 28 year old me quite so much - in particular, the middle-class agit-pop of "Land of Confusion" is nowhere near as evocative as I remember, though I still love the guitar riff that arrives at the end of the chorus (otherwise you can stick with Alcatraz's superior dance-pop version, "The World We Live In").

The song I was most interested to rehear, and the one which also stands up best today, is "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight". Even going by a twenty year old memory, I had a feeling that the tune's pitchshifting syncopated rhythm and cricket-chirp synths would connect with a current (and perhaps modish) weakness I have for opulent eighties stabs at greenhouse global lushness - see also Fleetwood Mac's marvelous "Caroline", in some ways this tune's superior successor; on a different plane, the gentle but widescreen mysticism of the extended mix of the Commodores' "Night Shift".

I was right, and "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" has a cracker arrangement, eerie and foreboding and excitingly disjointed and ultimately so epic that even the weirdly corny first section middle eight can't hinder it much. It's also a stout defence of the brave pomp of mid-eighties drumming. But what startled me on returning to this song was not how much it appealed to an older version of me; rather, it was the rush of remembered associations and feelings, like a familiar scent whose origin in memory you cannot place. This song, rather than the title track, bore the full burden of a six year old's moralising treatise on the dangers of sexuality, becoming a tragic declaration of submission to the alluring enemy, laden down with dramatic irony ("don't do it!" I had wanted to shout at Phil through the speakers, like I was watching a pantomime).

The memory springs back to life fully formed, notwithstanding the now-apparent complete disconnect between the song's lyrics and the story I had created from nothing. It got to me so that I ultimately disliked this song, or rather, like my imagined protagonist, I viewed its approach with both anticipation and dread, and sighed with relief at its passing (which may be why I liked the following "Land of Confusion" so much at the time).

From a pop critic perspective, the ears of children interest us because of how wrong they can be, or how right - a source of entertainment that functions in much the same way as watching trained monkeys, in that it's never clear whether the humor derives from how closely they mimic humans, or how far they fall short. But what interests me about my own child's ear is that clearly I had yet to perform the fundamental conceptual task - to isolate music as music, to consider it as such - that I now do without thinking. Genesis did not exist as music for me then, but as parable, or a prophetic vision of the adult world that was denied to me not by lack of age, but by a lack of story. To listen to "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" in particular was to step dangerously close to a threshold into another life, such as those that existed in my other (more age appropriate) favourite stories.

I was right in one crucial respect: with an arrangement that brilliant, "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" really deserves to be a dark tale of conflicted, dangerous desire. Not the confused and confusing song-about-nothing it turns out to be when replayed to these disenchanted 28 year old ears.

What's on these GENESIS floppy discs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOLSMIB1JCw

Awesome