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>. Antibalas play indie-rock clubs and get more attention from some indie-rockers than actual African-based groups. <

actually, the two times i saw antibalas (which were, admittedly, at least two or three years ago), their audience struck me as way more "hippie" (= jam band) than "indie," per se. (supposedly, like ozomotli, they were highly connected with pre-election demonstrations last year; good for them, obviously.) antibalas and sharon jones have both recorded for dap tone, which takes its soul-revival shtick to the hilt: their website even lists 7-inch 45s on a page that looks like a jukebox, and they have some very lovely old-style album covers of their vinyl albums. all of which looks extremely inticing. i have yet to hear a single record on the label that i care about, though. And again, I'm sorry, but *Dap Dippin' with Sharon Jones and the Dap-kings* is one of the most corny-assed titles I've heard in years. The whole thing hits me as some kind of exercise in kitsch, though maybe it shouldn't (and maybe it wouldn't, if the music was much better.)

xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

have you heard the Daktaris? another Fela "cover band". somehow they're connected to the whole daptones crew (they're on desco), but ten thousand times better than Antibalas.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

*Dap Dippin' with Sharon Jones and the Dap-kings* is one of the most corny-assed titles I've heard in years. The whole thing hits me as some kind of exercise in kitsch

for some reason, the one thing that struck me immediately about the record and the label was how much dap-tone records reminded me of play-tone records, the label in "that thing you do." which was pretty fantastic kitsch if you ask me.

have you heard the Daktaris? another Fela "cover band". somehow they're connected to the whole daptones crew

same basic people, in fact.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i think i might even get dap tone and desco mixed up! this is the vinyl record i tried REALLY REALLY REALLY hard to like a couple years ago, since its cover is fucking magnificent, but no dice:

http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,848032,00.html

xhuxk, Friday, 18 March 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

that is an awesome cover indeed.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(but also, it should be noted, it's a quite retro and reverent cover.)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you not seen the 786, 349 other threads devoted to soul, funk, and R&B here? There's no lack of love for The Good Groove 'round these parts, and to suggest that Sharon Jones and Co. are a token funk fave is nothing short of ludicrous.


-- Tantrum (tantrumtheca...) (webmail), March 18th, 2005 7:47 AM. (Tantrum The Cat) (link)

NYC 5/22: FREE outdoor show: Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, White Magic, Aa, Measles Mumps Rubella, Blood On The Wall

Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with all of the love for this album, especially Southern's comments on "This Land Is Your Land." This is definitely one of the best albums I've heard this year. Same goes for the Al Green, which for me, totally blows away the last one. It seems he and Mitchell improved on the production and as a result, made a much better album.
As for the Solomon Burke, a lot of reviews seem hung up on the fact that he's singing a lot of covers here instead of new songs (as on the last album), but I don't think it takes away from it. In fact, I think Burke's versions of these songs are better than the originals (especially his version of the Rolling Stones' "I Got the Blues"). I'll agree that the production is a problem, especially on the opening track, but I don't think it makes for a bad album. I've listened to this one quite a bit and totally recommend it.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you not seen the 786, 349 other threads devoted to soul, funk, and R&B here? There's no lack of love for The Good Groove 'round these parts, and to suggest that Sharon Jones and Co. are a token funk fave is nothing short of ludicrous.


-- Tantrum (tantrumtheca...) (webmail), March 18th, 2005 7:47 AM. (Tantrum The Cat) (link)

NYC 5/22: FREE outdoor show: Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, White Magic, Aa, Measles Mumps Rubella, Blood On The Wall

-- Mr. Harvey Weinstein (h...), March 18th, 2005.


I'll be in the bathroom, washing the egg off my face.

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with what Fact Checking Cuz has written in this thread. Like what I've heard from Sharon Jones, but something is missing, which is what I've been thinking about a lot since the passing of Lyn Collins.

Sara Sherr, Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Douglas Wolk's article from a few years ago should help those of you confused by the whole Brooklyn-retro-funk thing map it out: http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/99/06/10/SMALLMOUTH.html

I wrote something on Sharon Jones recently (a piece that owes DW's a hefty debt): http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1263/article12972.asp

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 19 March 2005 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Anyone going to this gig at Southpaw tonite?

Keith C (kcraw916), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I should note, in fairness, that I actually did wind up liking the "How Long Do I Have to Wait For You"? 45. Good song, good record.

Here is Douglas Wolk's review of the album:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0513,wolk,62487,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

im gonna go tomorrow

b b, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

As a fan of the late Lyn Collins and Vickie Anderson, I kinda liked "Dap-Dipping," but I haven't played it since I got it. Does seem pretty retro-for-its-own-sake to me; I liked Douglas's review, but it didn't convince me that I need to go get the second album. She's played here in Nashville a couple of times, and I hear they were great...

Didn't really like the latest Solomon Burke--I'm a fan of his Atlantic stuff and even of his soundtrack for "Cool Breeze" on which he does a version of the William Tell Overture...but he doesn't sing well, that Band tune he does is not such a great song ("stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls" sounds like a line from a bad parody Pavement tune), and while I'm a fan of Ray Parker Jr., why have Ray Parker play guitar, as good as he is, when you have Reggie Young? So I'm a purist. I think Howard Tate's last album was better than Burke's or even Al Green's last two, actually, as an updating of that sound.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 April 2005 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
wow, this record blew me away on first listen. I can certainly see why people would cry "classicism", but come on, it's like saying quantum physics rips off Einstein. (and Matos is otm in his article when he points out it's deemed perfectly fine for indie bands to ape their influences).

Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 3 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

The below songs are also worth checking out, Sharon Jones fans...

Top 25 Southern Soul Chart
http://www.soulandbluesreport.com/Top25Chart.html


The Nation's Official Southern Soul Chart

August 12, 2005

1
1
Baby I've Changed
Floyd Taylor
Malaco

3
2
If You Wanna Get It
Big Cynthia / Mr David
Tony Mercedes

2
3
Ten Toes Up J Diamond Washington
2 Brothers

7
4
Stroke It Easy Tazz Mardi Gras

4
5
Cheating & Lying T. K. Soul Soulful

5
6
Can't Nobody Do me Lenny Wms
Universal

6
7
Southern Soul Elec. Slide Team Airplay Allstars
Team Airplay

8
8
Better When You Steal It
Mr. David
Tony Mercedes

10
9
Somebody's Gonna Lose J Floyd / Wm Bell Wilbe

12
10
Stage In The Sky O. B. Buchana Ecko

13
11
Ease On Down Lee Shot Wms
Ecko

9
12
I'll Be Good To You Donnie Ray Ecko

11
13
Grown Folks Muzic Problem Solvas
Over 35 Sounds

17
14
The Blacker The Berry Chairmen OTB Surfside

18
15
Dance Like You're Naked Lee Fields BDA

14
16
Why Me Reggie P Allison

16
17
Scared Of Getting Caught Luther Lackey Good Time
19
18
I Came To Party
Sergio Davis Lyric

20
19
If Ever You Get Lonely
Willie Clayton Endzone

21
20
Sit Down On It Willis Pugh Hep Me
15
21
I Can't Stop Drinking O. B. Buchana Ecko
22
22
Cheatin John Marvin Sease
Malaco

23
23
I'm Missing You Babe
LeBrado Ifgam
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24
Let Me Put The Head In It Theodis Ealey Ifgam
24
25
Its You
Troy Johnson SA


The Top 25 is calculated on a percentage formula based on stats from our reporting panel Of Radio Stations, Clubs/Record Pools & Retail Stores /Distributors

steve k, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Ecko is a Memphis label, not sure where the others are from

steve k, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
"How Long Do I Have to Wait For You" is one amazing song. Is the rest of the album this good?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

i think that's the best song, but the rest is still pretty great.

rajeev (rajeev), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
I just heard that song on the radio and thought it was some kind of lost soul classic I'd missed (that's the point though, right?)!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

I danced with her on stage at the Knitting Factory.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...

New album 100 Days and 100 Nights due out in October. The new stuff up on their myspace is spectacular, particularly "Tell Me". Really excited for this.

http://www.myspace.com/sharonjonesandthedapkings

The Brainwasher, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

I hope this means they tour again. Best live show I've ever seen.

The Reverend, Thursday, 26 July 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

She is blowing up. Every hipster maggot I know is throwing her name around. But damn if she's not the real deal?

wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 4 November 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

my roommate gave her weed!

wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 4 November 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

Album's in my top five for the year, and if anything I like the Binky Griptite bonus disc even more. Alas, I have neither danced with her nor given her weed.

Joseph McCombs, Sunday, 4 November 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

The Beacon show last night was the best thing I've seen thus far this year. What a great time!

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 16 February 2008 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

new orleans show was like the white people can't dance revue. they sounded great but ffs stop hauling people on stage to make asses of themselves. nb i'm sure you were great forks.

adam, Saturday, 16 February 2008 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

no, i'm pretty sure I was lame. Fun tho'!

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 16 February 2008 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Not bad but way overhyped. This is soul for people who have never gone to see uh, old-school or current southern soul, with songs that aren't written by folks in blues brothers shades trying to imitate the past. Denise Lasalle and Miss Jody and other Southern soul/chitlin circuit artists have so much more vibrancy and better hooks. It's also annoying that she's like the token performer on that Dark Was the Night compilation that NPR blogger Carrie 'I only listen to bearded dudes since my band broke up plus Sharon Jones' Brownstein raved about.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 04:37 (seventeen years ago)

I know this is a douchey question, but have you seen her live? The records aren't much cop, but onstage she's a whole nother story.

i would have sbs with all this white girls (The Reverend), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 08:22 (seventeen years ago)

Just saw her live for the 1st time the other night. Yea, she's energetic but there's something fake about the whole thing to me, plus as I think Douglas Wolk stated on some thread somewhere, the material just is not as catchy as it should be. Sorry to sound all uh, curmudgeonly, but as someone who's seen a fair amount of old-school soul live that's just how I feel.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:05 (seventeen years ago)

there's something fake about the whole thing to me, plus as I think Douglas Wolk stated on some thread somewhere, the material just is not as catchy as it should be

Second both of these points. And I also think her singing is maybe C-level, from the perspective of the kind of music she's imitating. (But no, I have not seen her live myself. Maybe I should someday.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:09 (seventeen years ago)

Also possible that, with better material, I'd like her more; hard to tell.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

Thought her single a couple years ago "How Long Do I Have To Wait For You?" was not bad. But "What If We Stopped Paying Taxes?" (what, a tea party anthem already?) and her version of "This Land Is Your Land" just seemed ridiculous to me. As lady-soul-tokens-curated-by-indie-nerd-rock-labels go, I actually think the new Betty Padgett album (on Nomo-associated Uni/Luv N' Haight) beats any Sharon Jones album I've heard. But even one that one doesn't hold a candle than any number of random '60s or '70s soul-gal LPs you could pick up for a buck or two at your local thrift store (not to mention, judging from curmudgeon's recommendations and the songs I hear on Southern Soul shows on the radio, any number of current records by soul women still performing to 40/50something soul fans in the South -- which is to say, possibly bigger crowds than go see Ms. Jones).

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:23 (seventeen years ago)

But even one that one doesn't hold a candle than any number of random '60s or '70s soul-gal LPs you could pick up for a buck or two at your local thrift store

oh to have such a thrift store available.

mark e, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:34 (seventeen years ago)

Actually, I just noticed that I'd posted a similar rant, making some of the same points, upthread four years ago; oh well. Should say though that I'm maybe being a little unfair in calling Sharon a token for her record label, since she's long been associated with indie-nerd labels curating several such soul revivers. But I do get the idea she's a token for much of her audience (unless, say, Beth Ditto, counts. Or, I dunno, Lisa Kekaula of the Bell-Rays, if any indie rock fans still even care about her.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

I feel like Sharon Jones shows the danger of reverence—it's necessarily distancing, a sublimation of the individual to this Platonic soul ideal that ignores the idiosyncrasies of soul performance. It's being bounded so much by their love of the genre that they (her, Dap Kings, and their fans) are afraid to push at the edges of it. And it's conservative in a way that the great themes of soul music—teenage love, heartbreak, dancing, fucking, civil unrest—never were. She sacrifices being in the moment for being of the genre, a trade-off that I don't think is worthy.

THESE ARE MY FEELINGS! FEEL MY FEELINGS! (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Oooh.

Does Sharon Jones need to care that her audience is full of white hipsters?

jaymc, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:46 (sixteen years ago)

I've been noting on the chitlin circuit soul thread for years that Sharon Jones is marketed exclusively to indie-rockers. And of course, while it's not quite retro-soul in the same vein, the kind of soulful stuff that Chuck Eddy and I have been writing about on the chitlin circuit soul thread gets ignored completely in this article(because it is not so marketed).

Chitlin Circuit Double-entendre -filled Soul 2004 (and onward) Theodis Ealey's "Stand Up In It" is a song of the year

curmudgeon, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

i dunno is this any different than, say, jazz guys in the late 50s playing to mainly white audiences? Also, dang, long article based on Brooklyn Vegan comments.

tylerw, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:46 (sixteen years ago)

or jazz dudes going to france and scandanavia and etc to find audiences that would pay good money to see them.

i just hate articles like this, it's like any musician is lucky to find people that love what they do and are willing to pay to see them...

i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:50 (sixteen years ago)

xp Different in that she's only really actively sought a career within the past ten years, I guess? Maybe someone like Betty LaVerne would make a better comparison with your jazzers.

The Reverend, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

sharon jones should not be concerned that there are white people in her audience, no.

Police Cool. (crüt), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

I just want to say that I replayed her few-years-old "How Long Do I Have To Wait For You?" 45 a few days ago, and was surprised to find that I still like it enough to keep it. But right, she's dime-a-dozen compared to most of the current music by beloved singers her audience has never heard of that I hear on Southern Soul radio shows all the time; there's a good chance that music's fans -- who seem to, mainly, be black people in their 40s or older -- would find her mediocre. In the indie/adult-alternative realm, she still strikes me as a novelty act. More power to her, I guess; it's cool that she found an audience.

(Haven't read that piece linked to yet, fwiw.)

xhuxk, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:52 (sixteen years ago)

the beach music scene of SC (which also grew out of the 60s soul tradition) has been fueled by a largely white audience iirc

Police Cool. (crüt), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:53 (sixteen years ago)

xp (And I've still yet to hear any other songs by her as good as that one. Though I admittedly haven't checked out everything she's done.)

xhuxk, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:54 (sixteen years ago)

I read one page of that article before becoming too disgusted to finish.

Sharon Jones OTM, basically.

Have a slice of wine! (HI DERE), Friday, 21 May 2010 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

Tangari agrees, but he thinks it's fair to ask if the Dap-Kings would be as popular if Jones were white.

"That's really hard to say, but I kind of don't think so," he says. "She'd just be coming from a different place, and it's also unlikely they'd have the same sound they do, which is part of what helps them."

questions like this are kinda bullshit IMO...like music "quality" is this scientific thing, you put a sharon jones MP3 in a petri dish and use and eye dropper to put some chemical on it and it turns blue if the music is "good"

i mean, sure, yeah race, class, clothes, personality, a whole shitload of things make a difference in how you see a performer

would bowie have been the same if he dropped the exact same ziggy stardust album but looked like rupert holmes?

http://www.comicgenius.com/DiscoFever/disco_profiles/rupert_holmes/images/rupert_holmes.jpg

i saw a necromancer at the buffalo wild wings in west st. paul (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 21 May 2010 17:11 (sixteen years ago)

oh no :(

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 19 November 2016 03:50 (nine years ago)

RIP QUEEN

Chantilly Bass, Saturday, 19 November 2016 04:18 (nine years ago)

she was a supernova. RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99WYDZP5gtQ

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Saturday, 19 November 2016 07:08 (nine years ago)

oh, 2016

sleeve, Saturday, 19 November 2016 07:48 (nine years ago)

This sucks. RIP.

hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:00 (nine years ago)

Fuck 2016

No longer active (Moka), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)

She was a force, and the way that she handled her illness was brave and inspiring. RIP.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Saturday, 19 November 2016 20:39 (nine years ago)

Tribute on WKCR right now

Y Kant Jamie Reid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 November 2016 14:41 (nine years ago)

RIP

Ross, Monday, 21 November 2016 15:36 (nine years ago)

two years pass...

just because.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmLl21gZjfM

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:38 (six years ago)

one year passes...

Friend who did a lot of her photography is selling these amazing prints rn for $65 each in a giving tuesday flash sale

https://www.alltogetherprints.com/category/sharon-giving-tuesday?fbclid=IwAR1p8Ep6_d3MTGjpe39Qe5ZczKKH3QxYSlLF4Grmnvbv5vkDp9GPbeVazl0

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:58 (five years ago)

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longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:59 (five years ago)

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longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:59 (five years ago)

didn't know you knew Jacob!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:59 (five years ago)


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