Sinead O'Connor: C/D?

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Well, I guess. To me it just sounds like a bad, muddled recording. But, y'know, to each their own.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Searching a jukebox of a bit too trad Irish stuff in an Irish Joint, i decided on Jackie, Just Like U Said It Would B, and Just Call Me Joe. It had been years and it was amazing to recall just how powerful, haunting, and well produced she was in '87. Sure some of it shows some age, but considering the spare production popular among indie singer-songwriters, esp in the US,it really impressive...

and Jed is OTM on the don't cry for me argentina..some how lighthearted and cutting at the same time...I think she got a bit of a raw deal for being so forceful with her politics, to the point of amost being cheap. I recall a huge scandal when she played Saratoga one summer when I was in jr. high (i think) and refusing to have the national anthem played before the show...that seemed, even then, a bit childish, but the young fresh foolish me got chills when she ripped up the pope.

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Alex, Troy is one of the songs that sounds a like a bad production decision a few years later

b b, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Somehow I get the feeling that nobody's listened to her last 2 albums if nobody here's mentioned them .....

ffirehorse, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Universal Mother is indeed a very strange album. It's like a struggle between Paganism and Catholicism... as viewed through the eyes of a mother archetype. Although, half the time, she's not an archetype but a very real flesh and blood mom, complete with embarrassing (yet oddly affecting if you allow yourself to fall for the intense preciousness) lullabies to her little boy, who even gets to write and sing his own song. I just listened to it, and aside from some of the songs already mentioned ("Fire on Babylon", "All Apologies"), there is an a capella song called "In this Heart" which, if you play it loud with headphones, will squeeze your aorta until you beg for mercy. Seriously, it's gorgeous. Now that I tihnk about it, the album is strange in that it seems to be celebrating motherhood and yet is filled with this horrible sense of impending loss.

(Otherwise, I'm with everyone else who rates her first two as unassailable Classics).

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Basically, I've heard Sinead songs that I didn't get but I've never heard a Sinead song I didn't like (if that makes sense).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a weird version of - "Dark End of the Street?" I think that's the one. It was recorded with Brian Eno and stuck on her best of/rarities set from a couple of years ago.

That "Gospel Oak" EP, short though it may be, shows that she remains an amazing songwriter. Her last two albums proper, though - "Universal Mother" and "Faith and Courage" - seem too set on the by then impossible notion that she might get played on the radio, and therefore she makes the attendant compromises. To be honest, I'm worried Kate Bush may fall prey to the same delusion.

Frankly, I wish Sinead realized (assuming she doesn't) that she could maintain her ideals on the folk/cult circuit, a la Marianne Faithful or someone like that, rather than aim for pop appeal.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeh, makes sense.

(xpost)

David A. (Davant), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

DUD!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 4 March 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jump in the River is amazing. I wish she wrote more songs like that.

Sara Sherr, Friday, 4 March 2005 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

If she'd found goth instead of God, I'd probably be her number 1 fan.

I loved that EP she put out in '97 or so.

ian in brooklyn, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

no mention of 'three babies', doesn't it follow 'nothing compares to u' and it's so good it makes me forget how great that song was. for a short time in my life it was all sinead and the house of love's butterfly album.

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't really think of Universal Mother as a radio-friendly compromise, mainly because it's hard to see what's supposed to work on radio (the more obvious choices "Fire On Babylon" and "Thank You For Hearing Me" are both great though so it's not a case of a failed attempt I don't think). My favourite track on that album is this gorgeous ballad "A Perfect Indian", which is pretty heartbreaking I reckon. Most uncomfortable track lyrically is "Scorn Not His Simplicity" (a track about children with intellectual disabilities) which funnily enough Sinead didn't even write!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember seeing her perform "Mandinka" (?) on the American Music Awards (?) when I was a little kid, way, way before Nevermind changed things. I remember her combat boot dance on stage. I'd never seen a bald chick besides the one in that one Star Trek movie. Crazy.

Smooth Gold, Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Grammys I think. That was the legendary Jethro-Tull-wins-for-heavy-metal ceremony.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The post-SNL backlash in this country was pretty lame.

Her version of "The Butcher's Boy" in the film of the same name is pretty special.

"I Am Stretched On Your Grave" was teh jammm at the time. Haven't heard it in years.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember never once being able to turn away from the vid for "Nothing Compares 2 U" no matter how many sqaudrillion times it had been played on MTV. I remember it stopping my step-father dead in his tracks.....rendering him positively still and silent until its finish. "Hot damn!" he said softly, afterwards.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 March 2005 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

First two albums are great, and she also was pretty amazing when I saw her live (right after I do not want... came out). She closed with "Troy" and it was gut-wrenchingly cathartic and crazy and good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well this thread has caused me to dig out The Lion and the Cobra again for the first time in a long while. Amazing how mainstream this sounds like retrospect, and I don't mean that as casting aspersion on O'Connor at how the standards have shifted (for the better, I'd think). Something like "Mandinka" could probably be reworked into something for Avril or Ms. Clarkson, for instance -- the arrangement may be dated (to an extent) but the construction is not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it was fairly mainstream -- "Mandinka" got prime-time MTV play, and of course I do not want... sold a zillion copies.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(oops, I see you mean the first album specifically; but yeah, she was pretty pop-accessible for a mad baldie)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 5 March 2005 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

my inner muso has to note that, on the ealier stuff, she tended to sing a mcirotine flat which drives my ears nuts

ianinbrooklyn, Saturday, 5 March 2005 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked the first album, sure. But I can't say I ever felt a burning need to return to her work. I did get that Heroine soundtrack thing, though, but more because I was excited about Michael Brook or the Edge or whatever it was.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 5 March 2005 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

most of the songs on the captive soundtrack are really great, including the one with sinead vocals. i wish the edge would do more albums with brian eno and michael brook. a U2 album with sinead instead of bono would probably be pretty great.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 5 March 2005 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Cos of this thread I picked up Lion & Cobra when I saw it cheap 2nd hand (although I already knew it from the early 90s when I heard it first). Jackie, Just like you said it would be, and jerusalem sound great again, while a few others (like Mandinka) haven't aged well - like Ned says, cos of the sounds and arrangement. It's also not nearly as iddicult an album as I remember it. Maybe when I was younger I found Troy a lot weirder than I do today - and I give her credit for opening up a 16 year old's ears to stuff like Troy.

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
I am seriously thinking this could be one of the year's best albums. Tracklisting:

Massive Attack -- Special Cases (Radio Edit)
Asian Dub Foundation Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- 1000 Mirrors
Bomb The Bass Featuring Sinéad O'Connor & Benjamin Zephaniah -- Empire
Ghostland -- Guide Me God
Jah Wobble's Invaders Of The Heart Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Visions Of You
Afro Celt Sound System -- Release (Album Edit)
Sinéad O'Connor With The Blockheads -- Wake Up And Make Love With Me
The The -- Kingdom Of Rain (Album Version)
U2 & Sinéad O'Connor -- I’m Not Your Baby
Conjure One Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Tears From The Moon (Album Version)
Peter Gabriel & Sinéad O'Connor -- Blood Of Eden (Radio Edit)
Moby Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Harbour
Aslan -- Up In Arms
Damien Dempsey Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- It’s All Good
The Edge & Sinéad O'Connor -- Heroine (Theme From “Captive”)
The Colourfield Featuring Sinéad O'Connor -- Monkey In Winter
Sinéad O'Connor & Terry Hall -- All Kinds Of Everything

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow! All that compilation is missing is "You Made Me The Thief of Your Heart" from "In the Name of the Father."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Her version of "All kinds of everything" always makes me very Christmasy. Like I get an urge to run through snow while wearing sleigh-bells on top of my head.

brittle-lemon, Sunday, 22 May 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...
"I Am Stretched On Your Grave" was teh jammm at the time. Haven't heard it in years.

i happened to catch this one today on an internet radio station i listen to at work -- it was as stunning now as it was 15 years ago (when i first heard it). and i'm enough of a softie to get still choked up when i hear "nothing compares 2 u" (much less see that video).

i guess i should root around my cds to see if i stil have i do not want what i haven't got.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

Oddly enough I heard this yesterday as well. It actually sounded like a remix!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Possibly the only ILM thread on which the various warring nations called a truce for the sake of a common cause.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQlmnNyWak

Alicia Silverfuck (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn5uY9etyEo

Alicia Silverfuck (sexyDancer), Thursday, 20 July 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

O'Connor vs. Güdmundsdöttir---FIGHT!

Shinehead O'Connor by miles and miles.

Bjork can mince around all she likes and be mad elfin, but Sinead is a very angry Irish woman chock full of raw intensity. [...] Shinehead is so badass that she could rock her own comic book.

-- Mike Taylor

(sadly I still haven't investigated a great deal of Sinead's music... but as a human being I respect her enormously).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 20 July 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Her version of traditional Irish song "He Moves Through The Fair" is probably the most moving version i've ever heard.

I wonder what it would sound like if she covered Kate Bush, like Night of the Swallow, or Jig of Life.

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Thursday, 20 July 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

I only just learned she was the one who sang the song in Nightmare on Elm St. 4 when the girl's working out and turns into a cockroach.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 21 July 2006 05:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.snlarc.jt.org/arc/imp/JaHo-Sinead%20O

Ben Crazee (Ben Crazee), Friday, 21 July 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

One of the few artists who inspires such an immediate response from me, that I have difficulty trusting 100 per cent in the humanity of those who don't like her music.

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Friday, 21 July 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...
Revived: I heard "The Emperor's New Clothes" on iTunes radio quite by accident and it soundes STELLAR. I'm struck by how she transforms this sanctimonious lyric into a shit-kicking anthem.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to hear some Sinead. I'd also like to see a TS: Sinead vs. kd lang thread.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

You've never heard her???

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure the only Sinead I've heard is "Nothing Compares 2 U," "The Emperor's New Clothes," and "You Made Me the Thief of Your Heart." Haven't heard any albums.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I'm listening to "Mandinka" right now, and I've definitely heard that one, too. I think I probably assumed it was Edie Brickell or something.

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'll burn you a CD and give it to you at EMP.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

(and you can stop this Edie Brickell nonsense)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

I was never much of a fan of neither "Mandinka" nor "Nothing Compares 2 U". Thus, when I heard some of her less famous work I was pleasantly surprised. Some great moody and sophisticated pop in there for certain.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

her has-been status is so richly deserved. dud.

gershy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

her has-been status is so richly deserved. dud.

No.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 1 March 2007 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
She was really very nice!

forksclovetofu, Saturday, 12 May 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

good lord 'fire on babylon' is all kinds of fierce.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 11:27 (sixteen years ago)

have not listened to Am I Not Your Girl (except for the tracks on that comp) or Bossy or Theology

sookie stackhausen (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 April 2026 16:49 (one month ago)

or faith and thingy

sookie stackhausen (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 April 2026 16:50 (one month ago)

i listened to all her records recently and i remember LOVING bossy

ivy., Wednesday, 29 April 2026 16:51 (one month ago)

and all her records are good yes

ivy., Wednesday, 29 April 2026 16:52 (one month ago)

indeed most of her catalog is legion in the used CD bins around here

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 April 2026 17:11 (one month ago)

On the "getting Gen Z record store clerks to pronounce Gen X bands" series of vines that were going around, the fact that even the clued-in one had clearly never heard of her kind of broke my heart. Which I know, is just me old-manning.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 April 2026 11:48 (one month ago)

I feel like those videos are pure trolling. Anyone can fake mispronounce something. More likely those young ppl have a friend named Sinead.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 April 2026 13:59 (one month ago)

Fake cluelessness to rile up the olds

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 30 April 2026 14:00 (one month ago)

I spent a lot of time chatting at work with undergrads (ages 18-21) and I don't think those kids are faking. I'm considered hilariously random because the majority of music and movies I reference are utterly unknown to them. A running joke in the office is that I just make up movies and say I watched them the night before, our work studies are always looking them up online and saying THAT'S REAL?!? bands too.

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 April 2026 15:26 (one month ago)

spent = spend

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 April 2026 15:47 (one month ago)

picked up a couple Sinead CDs this week -- Faith and Courage, and Sean-Nós Nua. She was generally happy w/F&C except for one track the record company pressured her into including, and she hated it ("The State I'm In"). Sean-Nós Nua is incredible, it's almost an unchallenged layup for her, taking on Irish traditional music with a modern sheen, but even in that context she absolutely kills it.

omar little, Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:01 (one month ago)

F&C suffers from Dave Stewart's production but it's got jams like "Jealous."

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:23 (one month ago)

I haven't listened to that album in many years, but "Jealous," "No Man's Woman" and "Daddy I'm Fine" were definitely highlights.

birdistheword, Thursday, 7 May 2026 23:29 (one month ago)

"Lord Baker" from Sean-Nós Nua is a nearly 12 minute vocal duet w/Christy Moore (they trade off verses) which has only a simple synth keyboard as an accompanying instrument. It's an epic love narrative which is already vv intense and moving, and with these two performing it, it's just on an entirely elevated level which is almost cinematic.

omar little, Friday, 8 May 2026 01:14 (one month ago)

Sean-Nós Nua is a helluva headphones album

Cow_Art, Friday, 8 May 2026 10:50 (one month ago)


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