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well, if you're going to claim the Aloof why not follow the logic back to the sabres of paradise? (and the whole continuum from the sabrettes skewed postpunk industrial tribal tech/house/trance to emissions audio output's bizarre electro meets juan atkins meets maurizio meets the hyperbaric microsound drying chamber experiments)

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The Aloof aren't house though - their fusion sounds/sounded great but for different reasons than micro-goth.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm. that's true. but neither is "haunted dancehall" (house).

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Fwded to Maetrik. He'll laugh.

― Elyn (elynbeth), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Err, that was me.

― Xii (Xii), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

and we all know that Jagz Kooner was in Aloof. he's behind the sound/construction of Primal Scream's "Swastika Eyes" and "Miss Lucifer" which are sort of motorik-death-rock.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 26 February 2004 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

dumbest genre name award goes to MICRO-GOTH!

― jimmy the doom saint, Thursday, 26 February 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Except the Maetrik inclusion was a mistake!! Although his "My Specs" sorta fits.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 February 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

RE: The later Aloof albums.

I always thought this was the direction the Cure should have headed in after Disentegration. 'Sinking' sounds like the great lost Cure album, even the title sounds right!

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 26 February 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

'Sinking', much hyped at the time, struck me as a cheap Cure-ish effort, surfing on the wave of Mezzanine

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Even though it was released two years BEFORE Mezzanine?

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooops - I was referring to 'Seeking Pleasure'

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How about: Oliver Hacke - 'Vampir Von Dusseldorf'. Surely the micro-goth title. :)

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

disturbin tha peace - break somethin

― $$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

dj kayslay ft sauce money, joe budden, wc, killer mike & hak ditty - coast to coast gangstas

― $$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

aaliyah - if your girl only knew

― $$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i think micro-goth is an awesome genre name!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 26 February 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Sascha Funke -Forms & Shapes (Ellen Allien Remix)

Most of that Ellen Allien remix collection is killer, although it may not be micro goth maybe maximum goth

― hector (hector), Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I like "goth disco" as a genre name better, but Tim, you're totally OTM here. The Oliver Hacke 21:31 or whatever it's called is right in the zone, so's Lawrence, especially his last album. Don't forget Villalobos' remix of "One of Our Submarines." Even, possibly, some of Leandro Fresco's work, though I'll have to double check that.

No wonder I love all this stuff to death, given that goth was pretty much the first genre I could call mine (well, "goth" in the loosest definition, anyway - I was always very confused by Jesus and Mary Chain, as a wee lad, because they looked so goth while sounding so rock!).

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

They were NOT goth, despite the death rockers at their show. Their style was all VU.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

VU was proto-goth

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Sooooo... (cracks knuckles) who's gonna make me a 240 Volts comp then??

And where does Oliver Hacke release his stuff?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

VU was proto-goth

true, but they didn't do the black lace, white face and purple lipstick thing, right? same goes for Joy Division!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

To be fair Spencer VU, Joy Division and Jesus & Mary Chain are all at least as goth as the stuff we're talking about in this thread!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

for sure. Goth has gotten a little more on the extreme side recently with the lipstick and make up but even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

oliver hacke releases on trapez, traum, and background (probably others, too), tim.

― tricky disco (disco stu), Friday, 27 February 2004 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

haha how many times must we have the mary chain goth/not goth argument?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.

This is a bit like saying that some considered Pope John Paul II Catholic for a period of his life.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"goth/not goth," there's a winner of a genre. that's what happens when new sector movements goes deathrock on us.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

insert "death disco" joke here

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

new sector movements goes deathrock

Say WHAT?

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh Tim: email me

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 27 February 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

C Jost & Katz - "In Every Dream Home a Heardache"

geeta what does "goth" mean in Germany??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Pope John Paul II is catholic?

I thought he was a bear in the woods.

― hector (hector), Friday, 27 February 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I only heard "Tottentanz" recently (on Craig Richards' patchy but occasionally great new mix for Fabric)

My copy of this (Fabric 15: Tyrant (2 CDs)) arrived this morning. Just listening for the first time... sounds quite good.

Track list

http://www.fabriclondon.com/label.artist.doublealbum.fabric.php?artist=tyrant&release=fab15/tyr

― Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Saturday, 6 March 2004 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

even the cure was considered a goth band for a while.
This is a bit like saying that some considered Pope John Paul II Catholic for a period of his life.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), February 27th, 2004.

"Yeah, I knew _she_ was a catholic..."

― mei (mei), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

To be fair Spencer VU, Joy Division and Jesus & Mary Chain are all at least as goth as the stuff we're talking about in this thread!

I have to disagree, these bands have been appropriated by Goth and fit into the goth framework or project, but they exist on their own outside of it. The Cure are straight-up GOTH.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm, even I wouldn't go that far. They certainly didn't start that way.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

If we start disqualifying bands from being goth based on them being appropriated by goth but existing outside of it, we end up with Cleopatra bands making up the whole of the genre.

― anode (anode), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard weirder.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"I have to disagree, these bands have been appropriated by Goth and fit into the goth framework or project, but they exist on their own outside of it. The Cure are straight-up GOTH."

Spencer, I met JAMC as compared to, like Richard Davis or something. Obv The Cure are more goth than JAMC.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

carsten jost - make pigs pay
paul kalkbrenner - castanets
martini brothers - love the machine (wruhme remix)
throbbing gristle - united (two lone swordsmen remix) ... just kidding. maybe.

once micro-____ hits a paradoxical micro-industrial phase itll all just implode on itself probably. "my cock's on fire" (reinhard voigt remix) etc.

― scissors (Honda), Sunday, 7 March 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got a hold of Carsten Jost's "Pink" - it sounds like Source Direct doing an Armand Van Helden homage! Or vice versa!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim you really need to find ways to share this music like you did once before -- if your connection is more stable. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha Ned I'm actually planning to though I still don't have a computer at home. Unfortunately I only have "Pink" on vinyl!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Alas!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Tim won't just have it on vinyl w/in a couple wks.

― Kanyeah West Shepherd (Andy K), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

omg this sounds like the best thing ever

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually no it's not the best thing ever, it's just pretty good/great. (to elaborate: a "Spin Spin Sugar" kinda bassline and all these melancholy dark ambient drones)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 March 2004 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Everything on Sender records.

― Philippe (Philippe), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

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if pantha du prince didnt exist, we would have had to invent him

― max, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 04:55 (eighteen years ago)

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/aequitas3/Freaky_Midget.jpg

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 05:34 (eighteen years ago)

And that is why I will never, ever use the term micro-goth in public.

Not that I like the term at all to begin with.

― mehlt, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.myspace.com/passarelladeathsquad

― ☆, Thursday, 22 October 2009 00:53 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

from K. Ross Hoffman's AMG review of PdP's Black Noise:

...and "Behind the Stars" brings on the grinding electro keyboards and dark, distorted vocals, recalling the "micro-goth" tag sometimes applied to his earlier work...

― Yaz Hands (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:51 (sixteen years ago)

Is Shackleton qualified for this tag?

― Moka, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:38 (sixteen years ago)

i can't stop looking at that pic latebloomer posted

― jaxon, Sunday, 21 February 2010 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

This might just be the saddest of all micro-goth epics [for this record, this remains my favourite music genre]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdStHfg5kfE

― Noise II Men (EDB), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 21:03 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Are Fever Ray, Nicolas Jaar and Aquarius Heaven allowed in here? I have a 'microgoth' playlist with some of the songs in here and I think their sound fits quite alright.

― Moka, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 07:17 (fourteen years ago)

Oh man, looking over this thread is making me reminisce about first hearing Pantha du Prince and feeling all funny inside.

― EDB, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:41 (fourteen years ago)

xp Post some Fever Ray, Nicolas Jaar and Aquarius Heaven youtubes in here so we can all decide.

― ●-● (ledge), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

xpost: You're doing it wrong. Goth shouldn't make you feel funny inside.

― Moka, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:42 (fourteen years ago)

Per request:

Fever Ray - If I had a Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAzlNJonO8
Fever Ray - Seven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX07gCjT7dA
Aquarius Heaven - Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47rbxesMrGQ
Missy Elliott - Work It (Jaar rework)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUQUtkwsFWk
Nicolas Jaar - With Just One Glance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTFWT2B7acc

― Moka, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

None of those really sound especially microhouse, which is of course half of what makes micro-goth what it is (and in which case you'd be hard pressed to find new examples). Of course, I'm being a total sticker, but only because you had the audacity to say I was 'doing it wrong.' Puh-leeze.

― EDB, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:58 (fourteen years ago)

T'was joking about you doing it wrong. If gloomy, dark music makes you feel funny that's alright with me.

― Moka, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:49 (fourteen years ago)

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