ARE YOU REALLY CALLING BRIAN WILSON AND BRUCE JOHNSTON TALENTLESS
Never really knew about about Al's guitar skills. Marks seems like a good lead player!
― timellison, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
Re: shadowing, for sure. Well, sure as I could be from the audience. They totally looked like they were playing the same parts, note for note, as far as I could tell and as far as it sounded. I mean, Al Jardine had a guitar in his hands almost the entire time, but damned if I ever really heard it. Likewise, if there's one keyboard part, yet four people are playing keyboards, and one is a nearly motionless Brian ...
Marks was perfectly proficient, but it's not like his chops were ever better than 15-year old garage band guy, and this is decades later. And by calling Brian Wilson and Johnston talentless, come on, that is nowhere near saying they never had any talent, or were never geniuses or whatever. I was just saying, in response to someone calling Love talentless, that none of the original guys on stage were offering much in the way of talent. If we're being honest here. Like, Jardine sang better than the other guys, but his voice wasn't some awesome instrument. Love and Wilson did fine, but they were a far cry from their prime. Etc.
I say this in comparison to their peer Paul McCartney, for example, who was just oozing talent when I saw him last summer. No need to shadow that dude.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like his chops were ever better than 15-year old garage band guy
Seems like he has good surf guitar chops to me.
― timellison, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
Nah, he was really just OK. And I was watching him! Every once in a while they gave him a little Chuck Berry solo, but it was pretty rudimentary. He didn't fuck up, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
Recall, he's barely playing on the records he's on. That's all Glen Campbell and those dudes.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
On the records from '62 and '63?
― timellison, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
I think so. Right? Actually, I have the Wrecking Crew book right here ... one sec.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Certainly there was a Wrecking Crew presence on "Surfer Girl," "Surfin USA," "I Get Around," "Fun, Fun, Fun" ... so yeah, a bunch of that stuff. But maybe not the first couple of discs, though Wrecking Crew was playing all the Jan & Dean albums, too, plus various surf and hotrod comps. I think Campbell started working with them in '64. Before that the solos and stuff were mostly Carl, I believe, up to '63. Marks was just a kid!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Campbell (among others, like Tedesco) from late '63 on.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's crazy, marks was 13 when he joined! he's probably on those first three or four records, but just playing rhythm i imagine.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
There's a David Marks and the Marksmen compilation on Spotify. Surf tunes and instrumentals from '63-'65.
― timellison, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
ha no kidding? will have to check it out.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
First track "Sheriff of Noddingham" is very cool. Kind of Dick Dale-ish.
― timellison, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
There is so much tangential Beach Boys stuff. Like the Hondells (the first to record "Little Honda") and the Honeys (produced by Brian). Then there's Ed "Rat Fink" Roth, who did a bunch of hot rod albums with the Wrecking Crew.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NYhMKqWt18
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
This was written and produced by Brian as a birthday present!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Yj9oHikgY
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this comp is highly recommendedhttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IdU6W5onL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of talent, I picked up a vinyl copy of the astounding 12 string guitar of glen campbell, talk about a hot shit player, damn
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 03:13 (twelve years ago) link
thinking back to the show, "Don't Back Down" may have been the most memorable song. I wasn't expecting to hear it and they stomped through it like a garage rock track. Don't know why David Marks is getting shit here, his guitar playing sounded fine.
― skip, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
Bruce Johnston's first record, from 1963:
http://www.beachboys.com/hotdoggers.jpg
Mostly covers of then-current surf rock, but also includes a Johnston original "Quasimoto". Features Glen Campbell, Hal Blaine, Carol Kaye, and Leon Russell. Terry Melcher produces.
― Lee626, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
xpost Campbell may be the most overlooked guitar virtuoso short of Vince Gill.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Willie Nelson to thread.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, maybe. But he's no flashy technical master capable of guitar showdowns, is he? He has a very distinct, intuitive style.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
But Willie doesn't have session guy chops, does he?
beach boys concert or nursing home stand-up act
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLIbu6sJ4-I
― am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9xv-VcH3w
― am0n, Monday, 30 July 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
And that's it...
Beach Boys Reunion Tour Ending With Three Founding Members Sacked Via Public StatementThe Beach Boys might still be Keepin' the Summer Alive with their U.K. tour, but for three members it will be a cold harsh winter.The band's frontman Mike Love announced that the group will split after this week in the U.K. and three members -- Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks -- have been dropped from the group. The three did not find out they had been dropped until Love and Bruce Johnston released a public statement.The statement announcing the big shake up reads: "The post-50th anniversary configuration will not include Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks. The 50th Reunion Tour was designed to be a set tour with a beginning and an end to mark a special 50-year milestone for the band."The exiting Beach Boys will be replaced by the group's long-time backing band, which includes Love's son Christian, according to the Telegraph. Love added that the decision to drop the three members was financially motivated. "You've got to be careful not to get overexposed. There are promoters who are interested [in more shows by the reunited line-up], but they've said, 'Give it a rest for a year'. The Eagles found out the hard way when they went out for a second year and wound up selling tickets for $5."Wilson was blindsided."I'm disappointed and can't understand why he (Love) doesn't want to tour with Al, David and me," he told CNN. "We are out here having so much fun. After all, we are the real Beach Boys."If the five members of the Beach Boys do not rekindle their bond, the September 28 concert at Wembley Stadium may be the last show they play together, CNN noted.There is already a petition on iPetition.com asking for Love, who owns the rights to the band's name, to rethink the decision to break up the original Beach Boys.The petition, addressed to Love, reads: "In order to preserve the validity of 'The Beach Boys' as a whole, and not as a 'money saving, stripped down version' that only contains 1 original member, and 1 member that joined in 1965, we ask you to re-instate the 3 other members to the touring group for your final years performing.""It's the right thing to do, and it's what the fans want," the message concludes.Jardine linked to the petition in a tweet. As of Wednesday morning, it had over 2,000 signatures.In December 2011, the Beach Boys confirmed 50 shows to celebrate their 50th anniversary, Rolling Stone previously reported. The band formed in California in 1961. The reunion tour marks the first time the Boys have toured together in more than two decades.Although the group had problems in the past, like nasty comments in the press and numerous lawsuits, Love swore that all the negativity was behind them. "All that stuff is long forgotten," he told Rolling Stone.Back in June, Rolling Stone had reported that Love booked shows for his version of the Beach Boys without consulting the other members.On Sept. 19, the group played at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles to celebrate the opening of the new Beach Boys exhibit.
The Beach Boys might still be Keepin' the Summer Alive with their U.K. tour, but for three members it will be a cold harsh winter.
The band's frontman Mike Love announced that the group will split after this week in the U.K. and three members -- Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks -- have been dropped from the group. The three did not find out they had been dropped until Love and Bruce Johnston released a public statement.
The statement announcing the big shake up reads: "The post-50th anniversary configuration will not include Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks. The 50th Reunion Tour was designed to be a set tour with a beginning and an end to mark a special 50-year milestone for the band."
The exiting Beach Boys will be replaced by the group's long-time backing band, which includes Love's son Christian, according to the Telegraph. Love added that the decision to drop the three members was financially motivated. "You've got to be careful not to get overexposed. There are promoters who are interested [in more shows by the reunited line-up], but they've said, 'Give it a rest for a year'. The Eagles found out the hard way when they went out for a second year and wound up selling tickets for $5."
Wilson was blindsided.
"I'm disappointed and can't understand why he (Love) doesn't want to tour with Al, David and me," he told CNN. "We are out here having so much fun. After all, we are the real Beach Boys."
If the five members of the Beach Boys do not rekindle their bond, the September 28 concert at Wembley Stadium may be the last show they play together, CNN noted.
There is already a petition on iPetition.com asking for Love, who owns the rights to the band's name, to rethink the decision to break up the original Beach Boys.
The petition, addressed to Love, reads: "In order to preserve the validity of 'The Beach Boys' as a whole, and not as a 'money saving, stripped down version' that only contains 1 original member, and 1 member that joined in 1965, we ask you to re-instate the 3 other members to the touring group for your final years performing."
"It's the right thing to do, and it's what the fans want," the message concludes.
Jardine linked to the petition in a tweet. As of Wednesday morning, it had over 2,000 signatures.
In December 2011, the Beach Boys confirmed 50 shows to celebrate their 50th anniversary, Rolling Stone previously reported. The band formed in California in 1961. The reunion tour marks the first time the Boys have toured together in more than two decades.
Although the group had problems in the past, like nasty comments in the press and numerous lawsuits, Love swore that all the negativity was behind them. "All that stuff is long forgotten," he told Rolling Stone.
Back in June, Rolling Stone had reported that Love booked shows for his version of the Beach Boys without consulting the other members.
On Sept. 19, the group played at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles to celebrate the opening of the new Beach Boys exhibit.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
how could this possibly come as a surprise to anybody
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3veWDHCMAA041u.jpg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
.. including brian ..
xpost
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
serious lol at this -- only mike love would fire a bunch of his bandmates and still expect them to show up for one more concert.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Two more, Royal Albert Hall tomorrow night.
― Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
the most dysfunctional family in pop ever ?
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
of course, the use of the word 'family' is being stretched .. but hey ..
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I would really enjoy watching Brian Wilson beat the tar out of Mike Love.
― Old Lunch, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
The infinite number of lead sentences they could do in this vein . . .
"Beach Boys audiences might be pickin' up Good Vibrations, but behind the scenes things are anything but groovy . . .
"This summer's reunited Beach Boys tour has been a success by any measure, but God Only Knows if there will be another . . ."
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
pretty much anyone would like to watch anyone beating the tar out of Mike Love.
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone ever publicly assaulted Mike Love? besides probably Dennis?
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
you almost wonder if mike was running a long con and just did the whole album and tour so he could have the satisfaction of firing the guys at the end
― jalapeno kloppers (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like mike might get beat up at some point in 'heroes and villains' but tbh that book is basically one nonstop horrorshow so it doesn't stand out much
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
Brian Wilson, Al Jardine and David Marks were informed of the news via a statement issued by Mike Love - the band's frontman and Wilson's cousin - that the tour would be continuing without them.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
there's definitely fistfights in heroes and villains. dunno if any of them could be described as Mike receiving a beatdown though.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
why does Mike Love care about any of this. i will never understand.
― hail dayton (brownie), Thursday, 27 September 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
Brian responds to Mike:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
― fistula-la-la (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
As far as I know I can't be fired--that wouldn't be cool.
I don't know why, but it's funny to think of Brian Wilson saying lines like this like Brad Pitt in "True Romance."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
Brian responds to Mike:http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-brian-wilson-al-jardine-respond-to-mike-love-on-beach-boys-flap-20121008,0,6270223.story
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
Sounds like both of them need to get in a room together and talk it out, rather than hearing shit second-handed through PR guys.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link
What they need is another centralized PR guy to handle the PR.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link
Need Mike Love to intervene on Brian's destructive relationship with Joe Thomas.
― Dominique, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
did he produce No Pier Pressure? that's a really boring record
― akm, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 15:00 (seven years ago) link