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There are disco elements in Steely Dan?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

and they're all busting out with their love they share very together and wanting to dance with each other, my sister claiming she never laughed at the petshop boys, WHERE'S YOUR HOMOPHOBIA GONE TO NOW, LITTLE GIRL??? this is what pitchfork should be talking about since they love to talk about trends.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:49 (twenty years ago)

sorry, i haven't read most of the thread, i just get so IRRITATED at these "maybe we should return to our old biases b/c hey that was a sizable trend too so there must have been a good reason for it. its like FINE! DO THAT!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:53 (twenty years ago)

eh, don't worry about it Susan. they're trends, stupid people follow them, and they will continue to find new hip views to replace their old hip views and it's no skin off your back.

fkjfkfjfkj, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:43 (twenty years ago)

There are disco elements in Steely Dan?

they admitted once in an interview that "glamour profession" MIGHT have been a conspicuous ripoff of "cherchez la femme."

it was jody that killed the beast (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Peg has a pretty strong disco backbone

Baaderonixx born in Xyxax (baaderonixx), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:09 (twenty years ago)

"Babylon Sisters" played at 45 is totally a Labelle song

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva Bodhisattva

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:13 (twenty years ago)

orbit is embarrassing on this thread

gear (gear), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:21 (twenty years ago)

on this thread

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 21 January 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Fagen: Maestro, the picture I have of Italian filmmaking comes mainly from Fellini films like 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vita. When you were scoring spaghetti westerns in the '60's, was the scene really swinging?
Morricone: La Dolce Vita focused on a small group of people who got up at 11 P.M. and lived at night. While I, then as now, got up at five in the morning to compose and was asleep by nine in the evening.

Fagen: Your music has always had a life here in America apart from the films. In the past few years, though, your influence has surfaced in a lot of rock music and in the works of "avant-garde" composers. Why is this music from 25-year old Italian westerns the talk of the town?

Morricone: I don't know. You tell me.

Fagen: Well...

Morricone: But I have a hypothesis. When I begin a theme in a certain key, say, D minor, I never depart from this original key. If it begins in D minor, it ends in D minor. This harmonic simplicity is available to everyone.

Fagen: But isn't it true that the Leone films, with their elevation of mythic structures, their comic book visual style and extreme irony, are now perceived as signaling an aesthetic transmutation by a generation of artists and filmmakers? And isn't it also true that your music for those films reflected and abetted Leone's vision by drawing on the same eerie catalog of genres - Hollywood western, Japanese samurai, American pop, and Italian Opera? That your scores functioned both "inside" the film as a narrative voice and "outside" the film as the commentary of a winking jester? Put it all together and doesn't it spell "postmodern", in the sense that there has been a grotesque encroachment of the devices of art and, in fact, an establishment of a new narrative plane founded on the devices themselves? Isn't that what's attracting lower Manhattan?

Morricone: [ shrugs ]

Fagen: What about your use of unusual solo instruments? You've hired Zamfir, master of the pan-flute. You've featured whistlers and the human voice. Do you hear a specific color when you watch a scene?

Morricone: When I write a passage, I find out who's available. If the violinist I want is out of town, I'll use, say, a great flute player who is on a day layover in Rome. Sometimes its even simpler. In The Mission, the character in the film plays the oboe, so...

Fagen: After scoring so many films, it must be hard to come up with fresh ideas.

Morricone: I saw The Untouchables on Monday, I thought of the main theme in the cab back to the hotel and played it for De Palma on Tuesday.

Fagen: You've worked with many directors, each who must present a different set of problems for the composer. I have a list here. What was it like working for Bertolucci?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Pontecorvo?

Morricone: He is my old friend, bellisimo!

Fagen: John Boorman?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Terence Malick?

Morricone: A man with bad luck but bello, bellisimo!

Fagen: Roman Polanski?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Brian De Palma?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Leone?

Morricone: Bellisimo!

Fagen: Your scores for Leone in particular had a very sly humor. Will you be composing for any comic or semicomic films in the near future?

Morricone: If they offer. I can only choose from the films that are offered me.

Fagen: Maestro, are there days when you wish you were still playing the trumpet?

Morricone: The trumpet was exhausting. I have always wanted to compose.

gear (gear), Saturday, 21 January 2006 10:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking of getting the "Reelin' in the Years" biography. Is it any good? What about the SD "Companion" written by the same author?

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

It's ok – I read a fair chunk at Borders a few weeks ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

gear where's that interview from?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:57 (twenty years ago)

The bio is awesome but could have really used some current quotes (Becker & Fagen declined to be interviewed for it). As it is, all the interview bits are archival. Other than that, highly recommended for the sheer range of information alone.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

the interview is from premiere magazine, i don't know when...

i guess fagen did a few columns for them at some point!

gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

i'm gonna address everyone i meet as "maestro" from now on.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

maestro, what's your favorite steely dan album?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

maestro

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

The Austin Maestro:

http://www.vpoc.info/vpmaestro/6.JPG

P.S. Guess why the UK's car industry is dead

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 01:41 (twenty years ago)

As I put on Pretzel Logic for the 1st time, I was like wtf, but since I'd put the album on repeat while computerizing all afternoon I soon caught myself singing along.

I'm computerizing to Pretzel Logic today!

I like it (first listen), but is it possible to love this band if you're a total non-musician?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

but is it possible to love this band if you're a total non-musician?

I seriously doubt everyone who bought "Aja" was a musician.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

jim orourke probably like steely dan.
i dont.i wanna break something listening to them.

observerr, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

x-post yeah, it was just a semi-serious question based on this thread, but in a way, the people who post here are a little more discerning -- or at the very least more analytical -- when it comes to the music they listen to, so i was just curious whether the total non-musicians on ILX have as much love for SD.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

my dad loves them and he doesn't play anything!

having fun with stockholm cindy on stage (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Same with my dad, actually.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

our ad sales guy love steely dan.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

As I put on Pretzel Logic for the 1st time, I was like wtf, but since I'd put the album on repeat while computerizing all afternoon I soon caught myself singing along.

Aww innocent times, when I was just getting into this... As it happens, I bought today the Reelin in the Years biography. Oh, and I don't play anything.

Baaderonixx, born again in Xixax (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

My dad loves "Hey Nineteen." It disturbs me.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Have you noted his reaction to "Cousin Dupree" yet, Alfred?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

That's MY song, Redd!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

nah, ILM doesn't have groupthink.

Rev. Moon (van dover), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 03:16 (twenty years ago)

sign on the window of my local photo-processing store:

http://static.flickr.com/30/98011702_f1b7e0729a_o.jpg

having fun with stockholm cindy on stage (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:59 (twenty years ago)

THEY MUST BE FANS!

team jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

rev. moon, you pussy

gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Fuck, Aja is so awesome! How could I not have known this before? This is supposed to be my mom's music. Why is it so good?

Is this just a sign that I'm closer to 30 than 20? Am I becoming more of a true ilm-or?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 17 March 2006 05:15 (twenty years ago)

"Babylon Sisters" and "Deacon Blues" must be two of the most dazzling arrangements ever.

I've said this before but I suspect the fact that my parents never liked any rock ever has given me a different relationship with classic rock than many North Americans my age.

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 17 March 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)

What's the hip-hop song that samples Black Cow? Is it that Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz song? (Uptown Baby, Uptown Baby, etc.)

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 17 March 2006 05:53 (twenty years ago)

yes. and no, its not yr mama's music.

chaki (chaki), Friday, 17 March 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

I love how Fagen starts singing Uptown Baby on the Aja documentary

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 March 2006 07:47 (twenty years ago)

haha ya thats awesome that whole doc is awesome

chaki (chaki), Friday, 17 March 2006 07:49 (twenty years ago)

seeing the part where they solo michael mcdonald's background vox on "peg" was probably one of the crowning moments of my life

bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

"Let's humiliate him"

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

lol

s/c johnson wax (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Naive question : what Steely Dan record should I listen to first ?
Should I trust the canon and start with Aja? Another one ? Greatest Hits ?

snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

If not Aja maybe "countdown to ecstacy," if you are fearing the alleged dan "smootheness/slickness". But also I can't in good faith tell you to not listen to Aja, so. Win/win

bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that Aja is necessarily considered the canonical best album, is it? I don't think they really have one, to be honest.

I think you could do a lot worse than the compilation A Decade of Steely Dan. It's not perfect -- it omits "Any Major Dude Will Tell You" or "Everyone's Gone to the Movies" or "Barrytown" in favor of the inessential "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo" -- but it's got a lot of the classics, and it'd help you figure out which era of the Dan you like best.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Aja is almost not Steely Dan to me. Aja is this amazing tangent whose heights were never to be equalled again. I recommend an earlier record to get to the truth of Steely Dan. Aja stands apart.

Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

if you have a record player, withdraw twenty bucks from your account and just pick up all their albums. you should be able to find them relatively cheap.

i started listening to them when i was 17!

gear (gear), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm amazed that I prefer Gaucho to Aja, even though the arrangements on the latter are "better."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)


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