Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

Those wrestling medals/belts look weirdly like customised party cakes

I don't even know why he is comparing the two bands. Did he buy In Rainbows expecting a cover version of I Surrender?

― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:32

awesome.

i get what he's saying, but there are a lot more effective ways to voice your displeasure with guitar rock falling out of fashion. it's not a question of whether greenwood is better than blackmore, because no one listens to radiohead for the riffs.

the new album is actually pretty ok

Billy Corgan, enemy of pomposity.

That's what's making me laugh about this. And say what you like about Radiohead but I don't think they take themselves even half as seriously as Corgan.

Radiohead were a good riff band, around the same time Smashing Pumpkins was a good riff band. actually, they both started focusing on synths and drum machines around the same time shortly afterward too.

i wish i knew computer shit better so i could make a mash-up album "In Rainbow"

Reissues reissues reissues. Next up next week, Pisces Iscariot:

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‘PISCES ISCARIOT’:

Deluxe Physical Album Contents:
– Original Album Remastered & Reissued For The First Time
– 17 Previously Unreleased or Alternate Versions of Pisces Era Songs
– 24 Previously Unreleased Live Performances (Pulse Basement Jam, 1988) (DVD logo)
– First Ever SP Demo Reproduced on Cassette
– Postcards, Watercolor Illustrations, Lyrics, Photos
– Liner Notes by David Wild and Track-by-Track Annotations by Billy Corgan

Deluxe Digital Contents:
– Original Album Remastered
– 17 Previously Unreleased or Alternate Versions of Pisces Era Songs

Standard Physical, Digital and 180G Vinyl
– Original Album Remastered & Reissued For The First Time
– Includes: Starla, Landslide & La Dolly Vita

TRACKLISTS:
[CD 1] (Deluxe Physical/Digital, Standard Physical/Digital, Vinyl)

1. Soothe
2. Frail And Bedazzled
3. Plume
4. Whir
5. Blew Away
6. Pissant
7. Hello Kitty Kat
8. Obscured
9. Landslide
10. Starla
11. Blue
12. Girl Named Sandoz
13. La Dolly Vita
14. Spaced

[CD 2] (Deluxe Physical/Digital only)

1. By June (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 mix)
2. My Dahlia (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 Mix)
3. Jesus Loves His Babies (Gish Sessions rough mix)
4. Cinnamon Girl (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 Mix)
5. Glynis (2012 Mix)
6. Crawl (Gish Sessions outtake)
7. Cinder Open (Eddy St. demo/2012 mix)
8. Blissed (Sadlands demo/2012 Mix)
9. Slunk (Live)
10. Jackie Blue
11. Venus In Furs (Live)
12. Translucent (Sadlands demo/2012 mix)
13. French Movie Theme (Siamese Sessions outtake)
14. Purr Snickety (Gish b-sides session outtake)
15. There It Goes (demo/2012 mix)
16. Vanilla (Ignoffo Sessions)
17. Why Am I So Tired (Live in studio demo)

[DVD ] (Deluxe Physical Only)

Pulse Basement Jam ( 11/19/1988 - Pulse Cable Access - Lou Hinkhouse)

Introduction by Lou Hinkhouse

1. There It Goes
2. She (Inc.)
3. She
4. Under Your Spell
5. My Eternity (Inc.)
6. My Eternity (Inc.)
7. My Eternity (Inc.)
8. My Eternity
9. Bleed
10. Nothing and Everything
11. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
12. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
13. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
14. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
15. Jennifer Ever
16. Death of a Mind
17. Spiteface

Bonus Performaces
1. Blue (10/22/1991 - Atomic Records - Milwaukee, WI)
2. Offer Up (6/9/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
3. The Joker (6/10/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
4. Slunk (6/10/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
5. Dancing in the Moonlight (7/4/1993 - Raymond Revue Bar - London, UK)
6. Snap (8/11/1989 - Avalon - Chicago, IL)
7. Hello Kitty Kat (8/21/1994 - Starplex Amphitheater - Dallas, TX - 2nd stage
Lollapalooza performance)

DEMO CASSETTE (Deluxe Physical Only)

SIDE A
1. Jennifer Ever
2. East
3. Nothing And Everything

SIDE B
1. Sun (remix)
2. She (live)
3. Spiteface

rad!

Very excited for that one!

Also, the new album is not terrible and arguably their best since Adore.

Kind of annoyed that "Jennifer Ever" is only going to get relegated to a cassette though. Even for low-level SP B-sides that one never gets much love and I've always liked it.

Oceania is aight. they finally released a single off it and made the really odd choice of "The Celestials."

Pisces Iscariot is so dope, one of the most album-y and cohesive rarities comps ever

otm

it weirds me out that now i can't find any evidence of "Frail And Bedazzled" ever charting or even having a single release but i def heard it on the radio a lot before "Landslide" became the big hit off that record

New album is the best thing Corgan has been involved with in probably the last 12 years or so.

imo "G.L.O.W" and "That's The Way My Love Is" and a couple Zwan songs slay anything on this

for all the cr*p etc that surrounds billy, i really like the zwan album.

They were pretty fun live, saw their second-ever show. Was kinda unusual to see him actually laughing and having a good time for a whole set.

Zwan live was much, much better than they ended up being on record, though I liked a handful of songs off of it. I'm really happy with Oceania though, because it restores a tiny shread of faith in Corgan (though even that is slowly being eroded every time he does an interview).

I remember "Frail and Bedazzled" being played on the radio too but, being from Chicago, we'd get a lot of non-single SP stuff played on the radio and it was hard for me to tell if it was any sort of official release.

He has seemed quite chirpy and personable the last couple of times I've seen the Pumpkins here in Glasgow (circa 1 year and 4 years ago).

Not big on Oceania yet, but keen on the Pisces Iscariot reissue; I think of that as absolute prime era.

The reissue looks to be as close as we'll get to seeing Mashed Potatoes get a formal release, though even then it's just a grouping of selections from it, and in some cases alternate takes. ("Cinnamon Girl" is only known from a live-on-radio performance, which is where I'm assuming "Venus in Furs" comes from here.)

The demo cassette is exactly that, a bright red cassette in a faux photocopied cardboard cassingle slip, kinda redundant, and the old-timey postcards are totally pointless. But I'm looking forward getting into the extra tracks and DVD.

And here we go...

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MELLON COLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS

DELUXE BOX SET:

– 5CD +DVD

– Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92

– Original album remastered for the first time

– 64 bonus tracks of previously unreleased material or alternate versions of Mellon Collie era songs

– DVD featuring live show filmed at the Brixton Academy, London (1996) and bonus performances from Rockpalast (1996)

– Housed in a 12 x 12 lift-top box with magnetic closure, reimagined cover art and velvet-lined disc holder

– 2 books containing personal notes, lyrics, new collage artwork plus a Decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie universe.

VINYL

– 4LP (180gram), Original album remastered for first time, 28 tracks

– Remastered vinyl features the original record spread out over 8 sides (4 LPS) for the first time to ensure the optimum sound

– MCIS never before released on vinyl in the US (original vinyl previously released in the UK)

– Housed in 12x12 rigid slipcase with 2 books containing personal notes, new collage artwork, lyrics and more.

2CD

- Original double album remastered for the first time

- Physical and Digital Tracks: 28

TRACKLISTS

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

Dawn To Dusk (CD1)

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness

2. Tonight, Tonight

3. Jellybelly

4. Zero

5. Here Is No Why

6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings

7. To Forgive

8. An Ode To No One

9. Love

10. Cupid De Locke

11. Galapogos

12. Muzzle

13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans

14. Take Me Down

Twilight To Starlight (CD2)

1. Where Boys Fear To Tread

2. Bodies

3. Thirty-Three

4. In The Arms Of Sleep

5. 1979

6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth

7. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby

8. Stumbleine

9. X.Y.U.

10. We Only Come Out At Night

11. Beautiful

12. Lily (My One And Only)

13. By Starlight

14. Farewell And Goodnight

Morning Tea (CD3)

1. Tonight, Tonight (Strings Alone mix)

2. Methusela (Sadlands demo)

3. X.Y.U. (Take 11)

4. Zero (Synth mix)

5. Feelium (Sadlands demo)

6. Autumn Nocturne (Sadlands demo)

7. Beautiful (Loop version)

8. Ugly (Sadlands demo)

9. Ascending Guitars (Sadlands demo)

10. By Starlight (Flood rough)

11. Medellia Of The Gray Skies (Take 1)

12. Lover (Arrangement 1 demo)

13. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Take 7)

14. In The Arms Of Sleep (Early Live demo)

15. Lily (My One And Only) (Sadlands demo)

16. 1979 (Sadlands demo)

17. Glamey Glamey (Sadlands demo)

18. Meladori Magpie

19. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Home Piano version)

20. Galapagos (Instrumental/Sadlands demo)

21. To Forgive (Sadlands demo)

High Tea (CD4)

1. Bullet With Butterfly Wings (Sadlands demo)

2. Set The Ray To Jerry (Vocal Rough)

3. Thirty-Three (Sadlands demo)

4. Cupid De Locke (BT 2012 mix)

5. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans (Live Studio rough)

6. Jellybelly (Instrumental/Pit mix 3)

7. The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)

8. Jupiter’s Lament (Barbershop version)

9. Bagpipes Drone (Sadlands demo)

10. Tonight, Tonight (Band Version Only, No Strings)

11. Knuckles (Studio outtake)

12. Pennies

13. Here Is No Why (Pumpkinland demo)

14. Blast (Fuzz version)

15. Towers Of Rabble (Live)

16. Rotten Apples

17. Fun Time (Sadlands demo)

18. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Acoustic version)

19. Chinoise (Sadlands demo)

20. Speed

Special Tea (CD 5)

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Nighttime version 1)

2. Galapagos (Sadlands demo)

3. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)

4. Love (Flood rough)

5. New Waver (Sadlands demo)

6. Fuck You (an ode to no one) (Production Master rough)

7. Isolation (BT 2012 mix)

8. Transformer (Early mix)

9. Dizzle (Sadlands demo)

10. Goodnight (Basic Vocal rough)

11. Eye (Soundworks demo)

12. Blank (Sadlands demo)

13. Beautiful (Instrumental-Middle 8)

14. My Blue Heaven (BT 2012 mix)

15. One And Two

16. Zoom (7 ips)

17. Pastichio Medley (Reversed extras)

18. Marquis In Spades (BT 2012 mix)

19. Tales Of A Scorched Earth (Guitar Overdub mix)

20. Tonite Reprise (Version 1)

21. Wishing You Were Real (Home demo)

22. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Pit mix 3)

23. Phang (Sadlands demo)

DVD

Live at Brixton academy, London, 5/15/96

1. Tonight, Tonight

2. 1979

3. Zero

4. Here Is No Why

5. Thru the Eyes of Ruby

6. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans

7. Jellybelly

8. Silverfuck

9. Disarm

10. Bullet with Butterfly Wings

Live at Rockpalast, 4/7/96

11. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)

12. Muzzle

13. Cherub Rock

14. X.Y.U.

ahhh those cd names in light of corgan's new business

Hahah hadn't even thought of that...

Billy Corgan recently opened a 1930s Chinese-style tea house, Madame Zuzu's Tea House, raising eyebrows among the hoi polloi of navel-gazing hipsters who are probably wondering if the famed Smashing Pumpkins frontman has committed a serious rock 'n' roll faux pas. He hasn't.

Tea is awesome. I don't know about this "Zuzu" business.

excited as all fuck!

2 books containing personal notes, lyrics, new collage artwork plus a Decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie universe.

But of course.

When does this come out?

Early December.

In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita.

this performance of zero from 2000 kind of rules, so much more metal than the other ones on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7yIdgsXfIQ

so will anyone rep for PUmpkins stuff post-Machina? I finally got around to listening to Oceania and it was ok! Much better than I expected. I didn't deal with Zeigeist or whatever it was called....how about the other freebie stuff (teagarden etc).

I still think this one (a one-off single for some freebie comp.) is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U08DD_VgIk

My opinion on the post-MACHINA Pumpkins stuff basically amounts to Zeitgeist = nay, Oceania = yay.

In fact, I'd go as far as saying that the only thing I miss on Oceania is Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming. It'd be silly to suggest that Oceania is in any way comparable to the first three (proper) Pumpkins albums, but it's extremely far from being a total disaster like Zeitgeist was.

Man, saw this thread revived and was hoping Corgan was up a tree again.

Well this'll do it

As part of their Smashing Pumpkins reissue drive, EMI are to give The Aeroplane Flies High a second crack of the whip – and they’ve gone well beyond the call of duty.

As is to be expected, EMI’s reissue will feature remastered versions of all 33 of the album’s original tracks. In addition, the reissue will feature a frankly intimidating 90 lost demos, live recordings and alternate versions spread over five CDs. A sixth disc will features an assortment of live recordings from 1996′s Mellon Collie tour, and a supplementary DVD documenting a concert recording in France also makes the cut. The package will also include track-by-track annotations from Billy Corgan (which, given the number of tracks, is basically a novella’s worth of material) and liner notes from David Wild, all enclosed in a 46-page book.

Tracklist:
CD1: Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Bullet with Butterfly Wings
…Said Sadly
You’re All I’ve Got Tonight
Clones (We’re All)
A Night Like This
Destination Unknown
Dreaming
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
Movers and Shakirs
Germans in Leather Pants
Millieu
Jackboot
A/Ab/E/B/F#
Rings
Ugly
Blaster Caster
Little Ditty
Verily I Say
New Waver
The Groover
Ravi Revi Roo
On The Loose
Slurry
tracks 8 – 22 Recorded at Gravity Studios, Chicago, IL, March 15, 1994 – March 16, 1994

CD2: 1979
1979
Ugly
Believe
Cherry
The Boy
Set the Ray to Jerry
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
Tonight, Tonight (acoustic version/instrumental rough)
Jupiter’s Lament (billy solo)
Zero (8trk demo)
Marquis in Spades (8trk demo)
Have Love Will Travel (8trk demo)
Infinite Sadness (siamese outtake)
1979 (acoustic)
Aeroplane Flies High (acoustic snippet)
Take me Down (instrumental)
Star Song (dat mix/vocal rough)

CD3: Zero
Zero
God
Mouths of Babes
Tribute to Johnny
Marquis in Spades
Pennies
Pastichio Medley
LP ONLY: 7. Pastichio Medley (with fades)
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
By Starlight
Set The Ray to Jerry
Mouths of Babes
Cupid de Locke
Galapagos
To Forgive
Lily (my one & only)
Here is no Why
Tracks 8 – 15 Recorded Live at the Double Door, Chicago, IL, February, 27 1995

CD4: Tonight, Tonight
Tonight, Tonight
Meladori Magpie
Rotten Apples
Medellia of the Gray Skies
Jupiter’s Lament
Blank
Tonite Reprise
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
Stumbleine
Ugly
Meladori Magpie
God
Love
Pissant
Hello Kitty Kat
Special Winner’s Song
I Just Wanna Make Love To You
Tracks 8 – 16 Recorded Live at the Double Door, Chicago, IL, February, 21, 27, 28, 1995

CD5: Thirty-Three
Thrity-Three
The Last Song
The Aeroplane Flies High
Transformer
The Bells
My Blue Heaven
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
Silverfuck (live 7/10/96)

CD6: Live Inside the Dark Globe
Where Boys Fear To Tread Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
Zero
San Francisco, California 2.7.96
Fuck You / An Ode To No One
Stockholm, Sweden 4.10.96
X.Y.U.
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
To Forgive
Washington, D.C. 1.6.96
Thirty-Three
New York City, New York 1.11.96
Tonight, Tonight
New York City, New York 1.11.96
Lily (My One And Only)
Washington, D.C. 1.5.96
Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96
Jellybelly
Gent, Belgium 4.6.96
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Los Angeles, California 2.3.96
By Starlight
Buffalo, New York 7.2.96
Bodies
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 7.5.96
Silverfuck
Copenhagen, Denmark 4.9.96

Deluxe Edition Concert DVD:
Malsaucy Lake, Belfort, France, July 4, 1997
Glimpses
Where Boys Fear To Tread
Eye
Tonight, Tonight
Transformer
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
The End Is The Beginning Is The End
By Starlight
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Muzzle
1979
X.Y.U.
Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans
The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)

Holy shit!

Oh my! Yes!

You know, with all their vast, intricate, wandering, lofty, melancholy fantasias, I always found them to be weirdly analogous to c. 1900 children's book illustrations (most obviously those big, deluxe editions of Poe's Tales Of Mystery & Imagination).

Which is to say, regressive and stationary, stuck in a space bounded in by bourgeois domesticity and bourgeoise adolescence, and spoiled (I think) by the singer's voice.

Yeah, Poe's country ballads were AWFUL.

As is most of my input when I really ought to be asleep, I'll admit

stoked for "the groover", "rings" etc. would kill for a full length "knuckles".

bah forgot those are both on the gravity sessions stuff already in circlations.

s

I was drinking-the-kool-aid when i preached the oncoming release of Siamese Dream as a follow-up to the hopeful promise of Gish, and re-coursed my allegiance to Billy every album there-after; he sucked as soon he shaved his head (yet, still wimpish in comparison to Sampson).

Isolated guitar track for "Zero." Pretty awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn0NiiAfAjc

was jus thinkin i love the outro to bullet a lot

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4146/p52n.jpg

I got the Mellon Collie Vinyl remaster set recently and it is very, very nice. It sounds great, but unfortunately, Billy Corgan's voice is pitched at a frequency that really highlights the fact that my speakers are somewhat broken and in bad need of repair.

So he's announced two new albums and debuted a new site and whatever okay

http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/

Oh...did I mention the photo and font?

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/e56f8f_17e8789345fe49abad7c766c6ceb116d.jpg_srz_p_955_305_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz