Why do white people criticize one another for being white?

ssshhhhhh

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"A white person makes a broad assumption about my sense of humor based solely on the color of my skin?"

you lead a charmed life. i have experienced this for 40+ years. one of the reasons i hate this dump. except for the pie. pizza and/or fruit-based.

and the records. i'm well-rounded.

this dump?

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i'm sure they would rather play gigs in ohio if they could get paid well for it. but ohio is lame and doesn't appreciate post-bop AT ALL.

I don't expect Cleveland to have a big turnout for post-bop concerts and I'm not gonna make a bunch of accusations about it because it doesn't.

Wait how the shit did my city get dragged into this? And why the shit would two people who have obviously never heard of the Tri-C JazzFest say something so butt-fuckingly stupid?

take this thread w/

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yeah I don't know about Cleveland but I go to Akron every year or so and they have a huge jazz following

And why the shit would two people who have obviously never heard of the Tri-C JazzFest say something so butt-fuckingly stupid?

Cause they're white

What pleasant plains said. Do not assume that because my skin is tan (my mom is so dark people mistake her for Puerto Rican) that I am going to eat your bologna.

Maybe it's not your skin color that makes people think you're hungry for bologna…. mmmm?

Hungry4Bologna

Just kind of amazing that someone would pick a city that's got a black population at around 53% as the emblem of lame-o whiteness.

You don't sound "amazed"

I can share you with this because we're both white *passes the blunt*

*looks around nervously* we're all white here... right? *takes out naked polaroids of wife*

why do white people?

Just kind of amazing that someone would pick a city that's got a black population at around 53% as the emblem of lame-o whiteness.

― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:11 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark

blame Jann Wenner and Drew Carey, i guess

Today I learned that Screamin' Jay Hawkins and Henry Mancini are from the same town.

Gotta admit though, Henry Mancini was one white motherfucker.

I can't help but hear this thread title in a plaintive, Curtis Mayfield-type voice

"We've got brothers killing brothers in gunfights/and white people critcizing one another for being white"

― why would she write "argh"? (Hurting 2), Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

canadians are pretty chill. as far as white people go. they have a certain dull grace that i find pleasing.

"we got to find a wayyyy to get together and watch Lena Dunham's show"

― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

two people who have obviously never heard of the Tri-C JazzFest

Yeah, sorry! I certainly apologize if Cleveland actually draws as big of crowds to *post-bop* concerts as Stockholm does!

I like Cleveland and was sticking up for it.

In the 20's jazz was hot; then they had to water it down for whitey.

Cleveland actually has a pretty active jazz scene and audience -- the aforementioned Tri-C festival, the Cleveland Jazz Orchestra, the Nighttown club, etc. -- and it runs the gamut from trad jazz to big band to bop to post-bop to "cool."

The whole steamer thing -- did that come from Cleveland whites or Cleveland blacks?

Cleveland browns iirc

oh god i swear the double pun only just occured to me after i posted that

well played sir

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i didn't say cleveland i said ohio. cleveland isn't ohio. cleveland is cleveland. almost every state has one measly city where musicians can almost eke out a painful hand to mouth existence playing music. unless its some wheat field like iowa or south dakota. all things being equal though, if i were a jazz musician i'd much rather be in copenhagen then cleveland. they get genius music in copenhagen. i'd actually rather be at nina hagen's house. i hear she makes a mean apple fritter. which i will except in lieu of pie.

Cleveland is pretty much Ohio. Is it that much worse in Toledo?

my white as can be jazz trumpet-playing/music professor uncle lives in Ohio...

i'll bet he's a big stan kenton fan. does he get mad if you tell him that kenton had no swing? they all get mad when you say that.

i hear she makes a mean apple fritter.

As if you would except anything less from a proper white person.

hey that cleveland jazzfest looks like it was a lot of fun by the way...

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Liz Phair isn't from Cleveland though.

rest in peace, jazz temple. and thanks for trying, mr. willis.

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As the club’s notoriety grew throughout the County and State, it came to be known by many world famous jazz musicians as “The Jazz Mecca.” But the interracial dating and “race-mixing” triggered widespread resentment in the racially polarized community. Soon the attempted intimidation by law enforcement began. Some nights saw as many Cleveland police officers in attendance as regular customers. These visits were routinely followed by unscheduled and unannounced inspections and citations. Thereafter, months of ominous threats of violence and anonymous phone calls during and after business hours foretold of the coming end. Several famous acts appearing at the club refused to be intimidated initially, insisting on performing. Finally, the frequency and intensity of the threats were followed by a tremendous after-hours explosion that demolished the Jazz Temple and ended its reign as the jazz mecca.

i lost it so hard at that first cleveland jazzfest fotoe. scott totally otm of course.

jazz dudes goin in

i lost it so hard at that first cleveland jazzfest fotoe. scott totally otm of course.

― Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:42 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thats joey defrancesco i believe who is dope btw

he's fine if you need a lot of organ in your life. i don't need that much. my dad would drag me to see him and his dad when i was a kid. both him and his dad got so big. like, physically.

man they loved poppa john in philly. that's an organ-y kinda town. john and joey and shirley scott all making a racket.

people i liked in philly were usually as old as the hills like mickey roker. byard lancaster. byard getting jacked up in front of WaWa stores like a common criminal for playing his horn. i liked john swana. and of course rufus harley. and the sun ra gang. and my pal elliot levin. he was crazy. uri caine. pat martino. jimmy bruno. eddie green. but the organ crowd, yeah, small doses for me.

in southern Ohio, Cincinnati was a decent jazz town when I was teen in the 70s. I couldn't get into the clubs on Reading Road but there was an all- jazz radio station, WNOP-AM. "The Jazz Ark" broadcasting from a barge on the Ohio River. Listened to this in between rock stations when we were cruising. Late nights on classical WCUC was "The Electric Stop Sign" with host Oscar Treadwell, a beatnick/scholar who Charlie Parker wrote a song about. "OT"

the local organ-jazz grinder was a dude named Dee Felice, he played everywhere even bowling alleys. also recorded with James Brown on King Records.

Man great work Scott ferreting out the fact that Cleveland did bad things to black people long after all other US cities, including jazz havens like NYC, St. Louis, Chicago and New Orleans had long put any race problems behind them. That's PhD level work, son, keep it up and I can promise you at least one (1) Pulitzer Prize.

I mean I know Cleveland hasn't quite achieved the easygoing racial awesomeness of tiny cities in MA with less than 2% black population, but we're working on it.

Fun Fact: Only four artists performed at the 2012 Tri-C Jazzfest, and they were all white, as were all the attendees, who were served mayo sandwiches on Wonder Bread as refreshment.

when i was a kid i lived on the MN/Iowa border and we actually got Iowa public TV instead of MN public TV, but man, Bix Biederbecke is revered on Iowa Public Television

bummed that i haven't bookmarked this thread, as i'd love to hit "remove" right about now

i know that feeling

"but man, Bix Biederbecke is revered on Iowa Public Television"

as well he should be! bix is from davenport. they got good ice cream there.

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