Frank Ocean - Channel Orange (2012)

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^ is it super annoying or cute that this is the genre tag on the mp3

it's pretty much the crucial core question with nu-r&b really

dude sang probably my single least favorite lyric of the past year so i'm sticking to my status as a non-believer who don't believe in anything

best part is the stevie impersonation at 3:35 appr

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^ is it super annoying or cute that this is the genre tag on the mp3

anyone who replies "cute" should just go and kill themselves tbh

relistening, the beat is great but the more i pay attention to the lyrics the more side-eye i give to it. HELLO EMPTY SIGNIFIERS OF ARTY ARTINESS. and he's still not a compelling vocal presence.

It's okay but it faffs around a bit.

which signifiers did you mean specifically lex?

I like it, don't love it. At least not yet.

i like this song

which lyric, some dude?

the one i was paraphrasing about "a non-believer who don't believe in anything"

I switched back and forth between which half I liked better. Now it's clearly the second half.

oh duh, sorry, end of a long day...

I feel about this the same way I feel about Stevie's "Superwoman." It's all about the change and the aftermath. In both cases, I tolerate the beginning to get to the switch. Plus, I guess I like self-pity.

Honestly, the thing that bugs me the most: that he says "air guitar" when there's an actual guitar playing.

I feel about this the same way I feel about Stevie's "Superwoman.

would have preferred if this sounded like Karyn White's "Superwoman."

i agree with lex that he is "still not a compelling vocal presence"

some dude made me want to start a "terrible lyrics that work within the song's context" but it would just end up being dominated by New Order and Beyonce

"still not a compelling vocal presence"

he's a gentle coaxer

Still keep hearing it as "boobies in my damn chain."

Me too! I like it like that tho.

haha yes

umm so twitter is saying he comes out as bi on this?

huge respect if so.

well damn

and Miguel hasn't :(

i'm not sure if it's just based on track he's written from a woman's perspective or something like that

either way lotta unfollowing going on right now :(

yeah: http://www.karencivil.com/2012/07/02/frank-ocean-opens-up-about-bisexuality-on-channel-orange-album/?utm_source=wordtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit

He may yet reveal his orientation but this isn't enough

http://api.ning.com/files/eThHUhW7xHATXcamvm5WOklYxclgc7qQVtEXHkj-ljMurnPCYF3tipYhHmoBbxOSwULbca7pzVhQ1KhoOc1CqA__/coc.png

i'm not sure what to make of the fact that frank played the album for journalists in both NY & LA and no one caught onto any hint of bisexuality

because playbacks are awful affairs where you don't get to listen properly?

i only go to them if i don't have to write about the album immediately

i'm not sure what to make of the fact that frank played the album for journalists in both NY & LA and no one caught onto any hint of bisexuality

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 3 July 2012 00:30 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

yyyeah i didnt want to come out and say max from 1xtra might not be the sharpest tool in the box but...

yeah i'm not believing this until there's a better source

that said, WS frank ocean he's totally my type

just sayin

lol @ twitter beef with Chris Brown btw

if true, would that mean he has dicks in his damn chain as well as boobies?

I think boobies in his damn chain signify "topic for further research."

http://i.imgur.com/fn04r.png

How's this for a source? Direct from the man's tumblr.

Better source: his tumblr - http://frankocean.tumblr.com/post/26473798723

But more important than him coming out, which is definitely a big deal, don't get me wrong? How gorgeous a piece of writing that is. This isn't some pro forma confirmation, and it's not some sort of a 'after much thought, i have decided it's important to provide a good example for the kids' or whatever a la anderson cooper or quinto or whoever. no whiff of PR about this.

it's a stunning description not just of the fact of his sexuality but the process of discovery, and a really gracious, sincere thank you to his first love.

Anyway. Mad props. Was already curious to hear what the album would be, more curious now.

Yeah, it can't be understated how beautifully he conveyed this.

Text, for those who can't easily read images right now:

"what i’m about to post is for anyone who cares to read. it was intended to fill the thank you’s section in my album credits, but with all the rumors going round.. i figured it’d be good to clarify..

Whoever you are, wherever you are, I’m beginning to think we’re a lot alike. Human beings spinning on blackness. All wanting to be seen, touched, heard, paid attention to. My loved ones are everything to me here. In the last year or 3 I’ve screamed at my creator. Screamed at clouds in the sky. For some explanation. Mercy maybe. For peace of mind to rain like manna somehow. 4 summers ago, I met somebody. I was 19 years old. He was too. We spent that summer, and the summer after, together. Everyday almost. And on the days we were together, time would glide. Most of the day I’d see him, and his smile. I’d hear his conversation and his silence … until it was time to sleep. Sleep I would often share with him. By the time I realized I was in love, it was malignant. It was hopeless. There was no escaping, no negotiation with the feeling. No choice. It was my first love, it changed my life. Back then, my mind would wander to the women I had been with, the ones I cared for and thought I was in love with. I reminisced about the sentimental songs I enjoyed when I was a teenager … the ones I played when I experienced a girlfriend fo rthe first time. I realized they were written in a language I did not yet speak. I realized too much, too quickly. Imagine being thrown from a plane. I wasn’t in a plane though. I was in a Nissan Maxima, the same car I packed up with bags and drove to Los Angeles in. I sat there and told my friend how I felt. I wept as the words left my mouth. I grieved for them, knowing I could never take them back for myself. He patted my back. He said kind things. He did his best. But he wouldn’t admit the same. He had to go back inside soon. It was late and his girlfriend was waiting for him upstairs. He wouldn’t tell me the truth about his feelings for me for another 3 years. I felt like I’d only imagined reciprocity for years. Now imagine being thrown from a cliff. No, I wasn’t on a cliff. I was still in my car telling myself it was gonna be fine and to take deep breaths. I took the breaths and carried on. I kept up a peculiar friendship with him because I couldn’t imagine keeping up my life without him. I struggled to master myself and my emotions. I wasn’t always successful.

The dance went on … I kept the rhythm for several summers after. It’s winter now. I’m typing this on a plane back to Los Angeles from New Orleans. I flew home for another marred Christmas. I have a windowseat. It’s December 27, 2011. By now I’ve written two albums, this being the second. I wrote to keep myself busy and sane. I wanted to create worlds that were rosier than mine. I tried to channel overwhelming emotions. I’m surprised at how far all of it has taken me. Before writing this I’d told some people my story. I’m sure these people kept me alive; kept me save … sincerely, these are the folks I wanna thank from the floor of my heart. Everyone of you knows who you are … great humans, probably angels. I don’t know what happens now, and that’s alrite. I don’t have any secrets I need kept anymore. There’s probably some small shit still, but you know what I mean. I was never alone, as much as I felt like it … as much as I still do sometimes. I never was. I don’t think I ever could be. Thanks. To my first love. I’m grateful for you. Grateful that even though it wasn’t what I hoped for and even though it was never enough, it was. Some things never are … and we were. I won’t forget you. I won’t forget the summer. I’ll remember who I was when I met you. I’ll remember who you were and how we’ve both changed and stayed the same. I’ve never had more respect for life and living than I have right now. Maybe it takes a near death experience to feel alive. Thanks. To my mother, you raised me strong. I know I’m only braved because you were first … so thank you. All of you. For everything good. I feel like a free man. If I listen closely … I can hear the sky falling too.

-Frank"

xp understated overstated

Like.... this sentence alone: " By the time I realized I was in love, it was malignant. It was hopeless. There was no escaping, no negotiation with the feeling. No choice. It was my first love, it changed my life" destroys me, and the way he manages to convey in the gaps between the sentences the human cost of closets and shame.

I wrote this on twitter already, but it's 2012. From now on, if we can dispense with the PR managed coming outs and either have a simple not-a-big-deal "I'm queer" or - if people want to - an actual sense of who people are as people, that would be great.

Because "I'm gay" or "I'm bi" or whatever tells you very very little about who a person is, but this tells you a hell of a lot.

I cannot wait until I try to talk about this at work tomorrow only to have nobody at work know who I'm talking about.

that is amazing

Is it distasteful to rank something as the best coming out ever?

total side note - i thought pyramids was the lead single and hadn't heard thinkin bout you which is stunnnnnning.

Ugh, half the comments on his fb page are gross. I expect it will only get worse over the next couple days.

(Also, people are cooking up theories that the "he/him" is maybe a car or music or his inner self.)

raw as hell

yeah, well.

you know what? half of the comments are gross and a quarter of them are "i'll support him anyway" but a quarter of them are genuinely supportive and proud and moved and those are coming from all manner of different sorts of people.

and Angel Haze (queer female rapper A++ awesome) went to town on bigoted douchebags on her twitter in defence of him and Earl Sweatshirt tweeted "proud of Frank" so i'm just soaking in the good vibes of positivity and ignoring the assholes.

I really slept on NU at the time. Didn't take him completely seriously until Channel Orange but there are so many good songs on that tape. Just had "Songs For Women" stuck in my head the other day.

this album's incredibly revisitable

liking nostalgia ultra over channel orange is one of those "my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is the best kanye albun/black album is the best jay-z album" that i literally can't even begin to comprehend. it's like running into a brick wall for me.

Preferring those J and Kanye over a deep catalogue in which the artists have more than demonstrated their mastery several times isn't the same as liking a debut mixtape for its modest ambitions.

Absolutely. And you can't discount the power of hearing an artist for the first time.

liking nostalgia ultra over channel orange is one of those "my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is the best kanye albun/black album is the best jay-z album" that i literally can't even begin to comprehend. it's like running into a brick wall for me.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:01 PM (Yesterday)

CO is deeper, richer, "incredibly revisitable" as slocki says, but it's also more withdrawn than NU. you've got to pry the shell open before really getting in there. NU just bangs out of the gate and throws its arms around the world. it's POP in a way CO isn't, colorful & accessible above all else. i'm a sucker for that.

it's a mildly less perturbed record. certainly nothing to mash caps lock down over

I'd like to feel as strongly about Frank Ocean as people ITT do.

same

My feelings towards Channel Orange were like-not-love, so I've never bothered to go back and listen to the debut, but I guess probably should.

Kinda wish we had an album this exciting released this year.

Probably NOT the best of signs.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/frank-ocean-management-shake-up

Could just mean that he's severing ties with Odd Future, considering they shared management and PR. He never really fit in with those guys anyway.

i wouldn't be surprised if he's still cool with OF artists but just has different career goals. it doesn't really seem like the size or ambitions of his career fit in the little niche streetwear-merch-and-Adult-Swim-show cottage industry they've developed but don't seem to have any intention of growing into anything bigger.

Yeah, that could easily be what's up. Guess we'll see...

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-06/25/12/enhanced/webdr02/enhanced-buzz-17470-1403714497-20.jpg
first thing new publicist should do is axe this photo in advance

yeah i wouldn't read anything into that at all

he prob doesn't even need a PR person

I think that outfit is on point fwiw

his posture is really weird in it tho

http://www.factmag.com/2014/11/28/frank-ocean-memrise/

New track

I am absolutely obsessed w him.

one thing that has happened as a result of this coachella brouhaha is that it reminded me that "crack rock" is a pretty great song

It also reminded me that, exceptions noted, he sucks.

I'm not invested but he's obviously not into being a live performer, just let him play his one show every five years and get his money. If only all musicians were so lucky.

just let him play his one show every five years

he's struggling to even do that.

I'm not invested but he's obviously not into being a live performer, just let him play his one show every five years and get his money. If only all musicians were so lucky.

Yeah, I mean it was kinda shitty to work through what was obviously massive trauma and emotion in front of tens of thousands who’d spent thousands to see him, but it’s clear he was sincere (and sincerely fucked up). The spin about the ankle shit just cheapens and undermines it. And when he busted out “Godspeed” mid-set it just wiped everything and reminded me what an incredible singer he is when he turns it on. I will still be excited for the next record.

he sounded great when he did sing.

i mean

for an artist of his stature

i'm curious how long can he keep this level of stature without releasing a new album. the singles he dribbles out have seemed p slight to me (and it's been a few years since the last one...)

Depends on how the jewelry line does…

He was great at Panorama - wish they could release an official video of that.

One view, and a closer view with some audio issues.

He also didn’t show up to like 5 festivals on 2017 including primaverasound so spinning it as an emotional thing due to his brother’s passing is a bit flakey.

i just get the impression that he doesn't really like performing live, and his grief about his brother's death and his big vision for the coachella performance having to be abandoned last minute due to the ankle injury or whatever it was no doubt made that worse

Just revisited that SNL performance of 'Thinking 'bout You'...it's really is astonishing and when John Mayer kicks in at the end it goes absolutely celestial...he is good