i think you had to be there to really appreciate pink floyd. with joy division it seems different. their music hasn't aged. pink floyd's is very much the music of their time, basically the seventies.
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
If it was some kind of Barrett/Dead Guy vs. New Floyd/New Order vs. Newer Floyd/Newer Order kind of thing it would make some sense.
If the Televison Personalities had done a song "I Know Where Ian Curtis Is Dead"
Guy Pratt has played bass with both Electronic and Pink Floyd.
― james k polk, Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
It would make more sense if it was Floyd V Joy Division/ New Order: 1 and a half/ two records and a bunch of singles of visionary power, singer 'leaves" followed by decades of unrelieved mediocrity (and terrible lyrics)
x post - kinda what he said
― sonofstan, Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Dude I wasn't there to appreciate Floyd I just dig the sound coming out of the speakers when I play something like Summer '68 or Candy and a Currant Bun or Pillow of Winds etc. Admittedly, I don't have much use for them after Meddle (though I still haven't heard Animals.) I've just started getting into Joy Division but I agree with the above posters that I don't quite get the reasons for the comparison.
― ColinO, Saturday, 17 January 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Bimble, you will come around on Floyd one day, I swear it.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
love both of those photos, particularly maybe the look on mason's face in the floyd shot.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd rather vote for the misfits in the 'misfits v black sabbath' poll that I never created because I don't know how to create polls.
― Chelvis, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
So "you had to be there" exactly when on Pink Floyd? In '67? '71? '73? '79?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
your fingers had to have trembled as you inserted the 'momentary lapse of reason' CD into the tray the very day it came out.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Next poll: Beatles v. Boys Next Door
― burt_stanton, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 17 January 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Shoegaze vs Converse
― Moka, Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Selzer, I'd like to think so. But let's not bank on it.
― Progoths (Bimble), Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Faithless vs Faith no More
― Moka, Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link
sub: Which one has the least faith?
I don't even understand how this is even a poll. That said JD no question. I hate PF - a lot.
― Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Thank you, ENBB!
― Horror of Prog Rock (Bimble), Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link
these were both my favorite bands at different points in my life (points not very far removed from each other, come to think of it). the angst of floyd is more adolescent, the angst of joy division more intellectual, both are pretentious in their own way.
― akm, Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I like everything by Floyd from Meddle through The Final Cut, to varying degrees (I hate the Syd Barrett stuff - in fact, I hate that whole school of whimsical Brit psych-pop). But the only JD song I can get through is "Transmission." So yeah, Floyd for me.
― unperson, Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:41 (fifteen years ago) link
syd barrett floyd >> joy division >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-barrett floyd
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
The sound of a kitten being fucked to death by a horse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Syd Barrett Floyd
― unperson, Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:56 (fifteen years ago) link
it's kind of a mystery to me that anyone can still stomach "classic" floyd; i'd rather throw my car radio out the window than ever be subjected to "money" or "wish you were here" or "brick in the wall" again.
x-post: whatever dude, i'll take sweetly melancholy edward lear-derived nursery rhymes over self-righteous, cloddy, plodding, dreary arena-friendly shit like later floyd any day.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 17 January 2009 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link
They are both depressing.
That said, Floyd rules. With our without Syd. Without Waters, very bad.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 18 January 2009 00:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Joy Division.
I'm surprised Pink Floyd gets praised as much as they do on ILM - in theory at least, they should be the *worst* *band* *ever*. Gods of classic rock + annoying fans + slow guitar music that you could never dance to.
Pink Floyd were probably the biggest wtf moment when I was a stereotypical teenager discovering classic rock. Their image: striking album covers, trippy drug music, millions of fans...doesn't match with reality: elevator music. It made me not want to do drugs.
― iatee, Sunday, 18 January 2009 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link
that whole school of whimsical Brit psych-pop
This is like some of my favorite shit ever though I wish I knew more of it- been totally immersed in the Move lately- anyway, I don't know why I'm posting this here...
― ColinO, Sunday, 18 January 2009 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link
This does seem like a good place to post about The Move. Echo & The Bunnymen vs. Electric Light Orchestra?
― james k polk, Sunday, 18 January 2009 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Phil you are not my homey no more until you take back any bad shit you have ever thought about Barrett who is not "whimsical"
― J0hn D., Sunday, 18 January 2009 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean I dig what you think it's about but it is not about that OK
― J0hn D., Sunday, 18 January 2009 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know, man - if there's darkness of the spirit there, that's swell, but it's darkness of the spirit in ruffly shirts, and I just can't hang. I will freely admit that some of the melodies to those songs are good ones, because I enjoyed the avant-metallers-cover-Barrett compilation Like Black Holes In The Sky quite a bit, but the originals just do nothing for me.
― unperson, Sunday, 18 January 2009 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I like them both. I'll pick Floyd because they made more. I still put on meddle, animals, dark side, and wish...
― nicky lo-fi, Sunday, 18 January 2009 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Pink Floyd The Grateful Dead were probably the biggest wtf moment when I was a stereotypical teenager discovering classic rock. Their image: striking album covers, trippy drug music, millions of fans...doesn't match with reality: elevator music. It made me not want to do drugs.
FTFY
― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 18 January 2009 04:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Joy Divison, c'mon. I like Pink Floyd and all, but Joy Division was a singular force. There aren't dozens of joy division cover bands criss-crossing the country playing 2 night sets at drug festivals, because they could never be imitated. There was nothing like Joy Division, before or since.
― scourge of cords (Z S), Sunday, 18 January 2009 04:58 (fifteen years ago) link
<blockquote>If the Televison Personalities had done a song "I Know Where Ian Curtis Is Dead"</blockquote>This is funny to me.
― bookbookgoose, Sunday, 18 January 2009 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars.
On that score, Floyd, easy, no question. I love Joy Division and all, but I've spent more time with Pink Floyd, and they've offered more in return. I jump ship at (or maybe after?) The Wall, but everything up to Dark Side is brilliant. ''
― Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Sunday, 18 January 2009 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars. Seems like a fair comparison to me, not in that the bands are similar, but in that they're not. I mean, they're both hugely influential UK bands, and they each still represent an era and a musical/aesthetic point of view. But more to the point, they represent points of view that are often seen as being diametrically opposed to one another. So the poll asks us to take sides in yesterday's culture wars.
― Moka, Sunday, 18 January 2009 08:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Hahaha, I had this feeling someone was gonna say something like that. I was gonna mention how Johnny Rotten wore an "I Hate Pink Floyd" shirt back in the days of the Pistols, but ya know, later on he retracted it and said he liked them, so...the wind went out of my sails on that anecdote.
I always kinda liked Gilmour's response to Lydon's shirt... It was something like "well, at least we were an interesting target. It's not like he would have gotten as much mileage out of a 'I hate Yes' shirt"
Anyway... Floyd in a knockout.
― Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Sunday, 18 January 2009 08:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Also: Atmosphere/Dead Souls 7" > New Order >>>>> Joy Division
It's not like I'm a Floyd superfan, but they win this for me 12 times out of 10.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 18 January 2009 08:59 (fifteen years ago) link
This is like Sex Pistols vs. The Fall or something. The sheer quantity of material consider is so disproportionate.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 18 January 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
There aren't dozens of joy division cover bands criss-crossing the country playing 2 night sets at drug festivals, because they could never be imitated
no, but there sure are a bunch of forty-somethings pining for the days when REAL music that MEANT something, like Joy Division, was the order of the day
just like there's a bunch of tired fifty-somethings spouting the same crap about post-Barrett Floyd
I retract my criticism of the thread premise, it's OTM
― J0hn D., Sunday, 18 January 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
No but still we have Interpol, The Editors and a lot of sound alike indie obscure bands from a few years ago. Still... I'll go with Joy Division, can't stand Pink Floyd and/or their fans.
― elgolfo, Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Joy Division folks on this poll are my heroes.
― I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I never understood the constant Interpol/JD comparisons. They both have singers with baritone voices. A Chameleons comparison seems a bit more apt. Are Magnetic Fields Joy Division rip-offs?
― scourge of cords (Z S), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Great to see so many Pink Floyd band and fan haters in this thread. I used to think I was utterly alone.
― open wide, come inside, it's apple butter (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
(I voted pf btw)
can't stand Pink Floyd and/or their fans.
― elgolfo, Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:13 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
What constitutes a typical Floyd fan? They have a lot of fans, I've met people of all sorts who like them.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Elvis Telecom OTM
― I am a vampire, therefore I take garlic pills (Bimble), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
PF fans in general seem a bit blinkered. I really like a lot of Floyd now, but I can still see what's shit about them, such as Waters's voice and Gilmour's horrible bloody wet-sounding guitar.
― open wide, come inside, it's apple butter (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
e.g. DSOTM is an all right album but no way is it even close to best evar.
― open wide, come inside, it's apple butter (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Agree on Waters's voice, but quite like Gilmour's guitar and his voice, especially when he sings with Wright.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 18 January 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
proven by science????
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15557211.jpg?size=572&uid=%7BBC606FFF-8194-4FFD-94EE-6864B504BC68%7D
― the maximum value that ZS obtains given its constraint is 8 (Z S), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link
How'd I miss this one? Just as well, really, as I don't think I could pick one over the other. Today, though, Joy Division wins.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
freakish tie
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i never believe the poll results on ILM. too many people with multiple accounts.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 3 August 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
A tie? Oy vey.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 3 August 2009 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link
think about it -- there are some striking similarities (besides the fact that they are four of my all-time favorite bands).
― Yutte Hermsgervørdenbrøtbørda (Eisbaer), Friday, 21 January 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
frankly, the comparison is really incomplete when you exclude New Order. because Floyd was quite a different band post-Syd (though with almost all of the same people), just like New Order was a very different band than New Order. and they BOTH discovered synths AND dance music ("another brick in the wall") AFTER ian/syd.
― Yutte Hermsgervørdenbrøtbørda (Eisbaer), Friday, 21 January 2011 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link
"Another Brick in the Wall" is not dance music. And that comp title (A Collection of Great Dance Songs) is, whaddya call it, ironical.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i was really trying to be funny ... but "another brick in the wall" IS set to a disco beat (or as close to one as these plodders could get).
― i want to eat unicorn meat (Eisbaer), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Number 57 on the Billboard club play/dance chart in 1980, too. According to Dave Gilmour, "It wasn’t my idea to do disco music, it was Bob’s. He said to me, ‘Go to a couple of clubs and listen to what’s happening with disco music,’ so I forced myself out and listened to loud, four-to-the-bar bass drums and stuff and thought, Gawd, awful! Then we went back and tried to turn one of the [song’s] parts into one to those so it would be catchy."
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Big of Gilmour to admit to being a reactionary tool.
― Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the idea of him sitting in camouflage in the corner of a nightclub taking notes, too.
― Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Camo was more echo and the bunnymen tho.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 January 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link
not liking disco music != being a reactionary tool xxp
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Friday, 21 January 2011 11:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The only singer worse than Ian Curtis is the mopey dork from Tindersticks .
― thirdalternative, Friday, 21 January 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I like that he was like "this sucks...I'd better write something just like it!"
― akm, Friday, 21 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Floyd was quite a different band post-Syd
"Post-Syd" encompasses the period from, basically, right after "Piper" hit the streets! He was barely useful during the recording of "Saucerful."
nd they BOTH discovered synths AND dance music ("another brick in the wall") AFTER ian/syd.
Uh, synths weren't really available when Syd was a contributing member of the band, so this is hardly an insight.
― you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Friday, 21 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
"run like hell" gots some of the disco beats up in it too. always wanted a full-on dance mix of it tbh.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 21 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
oh anag I like you and enjoy your posts based on knowledge but in all honesty
not liking disco music = being a reactionary tool feels as close to a fact of nature as nature wanders
― Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
PS the subtext here is "don't argue u reactionary racist" [better chattin' about stuff u enjoy than the rest of the ingrasable onionverse]
― Magic Our Maurice! (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wait are you saying I'm a reactionary racist
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Dave Gilmour, then anybody who doesn't like disco, then anybody who wandered past when I was drunk.
― Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
dude I called AbitW & Run Like Hell disco-metal in some other thread and got heaps of scorn dumped on my noggin!
― ellj versus deej (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not scorn it's fear of rhythm
― Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
reactionary tools!
― ellj versus deej (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, if I was calling you racist anagram it was very stupid of me and I'm very sorry. hard for me to decipher my own drunk posts, honestly. stand by my general assertion re. reactionariness of being anti-disco tho.
― Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6PHI-UiOPM
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RvAIJQh7g
no worries NV, peace
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Thursday, 3 February 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Probably the two bands I've spent the most time with in my life, maybe my two favorite bands, which isn't to say that I don't think Pink Floyd put out a lot of terrible stuff. I've always thought parts of Unknown Pleasures had eerie similarities to some of the darker/heavier tracks on The Wall, which for what it's worth, is exactly the kind of Pink Floyd stuff I don't rate too highly. Not sonically similar so much as some of those heavy foreboding minor chords.
In any case, Run Like Hell is definitely disco, and Pink Floyd have never been known for having taste. One of the most interesting things about them to me is just how insular they kept themselves. They say it in interviews, that they really didn't listen to any other bands and I think that helped them create a singular style and some innovate music, but also some dated/cheesy/silly stuff.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 5 February 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
dude if Syd still had his marbles in '79, he totes wouldve been digging disco...
― ellj versus deej (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 5 February 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
He was bigging up Slade in his last interview proper.
― Mark G, Monday, 7 February 2011 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link