in fact, you've been hearing it your whole life...you just haven't been aware of it...
― henry s, Thursday, 6 March 2008 15:11 (eighteen years ago)
I kind of secretly wonder if this is the "London legend" everyone is talking about:
http://rateyourmusic.com/~familycat1
― babyalive, Friday, 7 March 2008 17:46 (eighteen years ago)
imagine enya crossed with julie cruise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3H6ggryHiM
so good
― anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 13:03 (sixteen years ago)
uh, julee cruise
love her
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 13:51 (sixteen years ago)
only ever heard her track on that some bizarre comp w/ the freaky cover... you know the one
liked it, but never tracked down her album, guess I should
IIIRC she's kinda like a more pastoral version of what the kids today call freakfolk? or (gas) chamber music? world of skin? rasputina? who are her heirs?
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:18 (sixteen years ago)
what do you mean by more pastoral? more english?
i'm only familiar with hope in a darkened heart, it sounds like folk songs composed entirely on a fairlight. it has this kinda new age vibe but with these slightly cynical and highly romantic lyrics
guess there's a touch of kate bush in some of the arrangements as well
― anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:44 (sixteen years ago)
i don't know about her heirs. why don't you just listen to some of her own records first?
this japanese dude hara masumi is in a similar vein - folky new age vocal music made on synths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectTTqIgZxo
― anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:48 (sixteen years ago)
def a "the kick inside" influence. more pastoral, less fantastical. like sunlight through a farm window in the english country.
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:54 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, more pastoral is a euphemism for english
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:07 (sixteen years ago)
no, it means it sounds like you're on an english farm
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:10 (sixteen years ago)
man this album is making me seriously anticipate spring
― anita bonghit (rionat), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:11 (sixteen years ago)
on an english farm in the spring
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:13 (sixteen years ago)
I thought all britishers lived on farms? at least that's the impression I got from all creatures great and small
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:26 (sixteen years ago)
I meant to link the blog post below here when I first stumbled across it. Oh well, better late than never.
http://fruitierthanthou.blogspot.com/2007/11/ravishing-beauties-john-peel-session.html
(NB - check the comments also)
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:33 (sixteen years ago)
this is the aforementioned some bizarre comp, va track was called "waiting to fall"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Ifyoucantalbum.png
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:54 (sixteen years ago)
Virginia Astley = 100% classic, though. Sad to say, almost nothing by her is available anymore which is a fucker, because she made some of the most beautiful music ever. "From Gardens Where etc" is a lovely pastoral instrumental type thing, but my favourites are the 7" "Love's a Lonely Place to Be" and this comp on disques du crepescule which hads a bunch of her early stuff, incl "A Bau a qu" & some other stuff. I'm getting the chills just thinking about the music contained therein. I wish they'd do a good fucking CD reissue programme of her material for fuxake, I mean you can get nearly all of shirley collin's stuff now, and she's totally obscure. Her music is up there w/popol vuh, s & d collins, dead can dance, 11 shadows, & all that sort of spiritual-beauty type stuff. Having said that the album she did on Virgin, w/guest vocals by dave sylvian (who fuxing WISHES he had 1/10 the musical poetry of VA) was a little overcooked IIRC.
Pash 100% OTM upthread
― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 02:53 (sixteen years ago)
didn't she do Spring is Grey with Vic Godard?
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:23 (sixteen years ago)
i only know 'from gardens where we feel secure' and it's really special....hearing her sing is like woah! love that song rionat posted.
― jabba hands, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:59 (sixteen years ago)
jabba OTM.
I just wish i haden't sold "Hope in a darkened Heart" her duet with Sylvian was grebt.
― Deluxe Merseybeat Wig (Jack Battery-Pack), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:32 (sixteen years ago)
thanks for bumping this thread rionat, been listening on repeat since ;)
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:04 (sixteen years ago)
"From Gardens" was the intro music at my wedding! Wonder if I was supposed to pay a royalty for that?
― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:08 (sixteen years ago)
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:54 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
lol if an english poster posted this they'd get given a kicking by their countryfolk (by which i mean townfolk). we have a fucked up country.
― the highest per-vote vag so far (history mayne), Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:08 (sixteen years ago)
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/oct2009/6/2/image-1-for-gallery-viz-comic-celebrates-30th-birthday-214754786.jpg
― Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:15 (sixteen years ago)
<3 <3 <3
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 15:49 (sixteen years ago)
yes
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 00:30 (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGUy_OpIpOs
― teresa banks (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 23:34 (sixteen years ago)
<3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erFnyRhEDCQ
― yuoowemeone, Friday, 24 January 2014 10:27 (twelve years ago)
i love the way sylvian's voice contrasts with hers and rubs up against the music (produced by ryuichi sakamoto!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Onw0SMtuI
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:27 (eleven years ago)
also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdaK2djnYHI
The debut sounds pretty swell in a post-election haze.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:11 (nine years ago)
Yeah we listened to that earlier this week
― sleeve, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 20:13 (nine years ago)
i just created a sample bank using the first track from 'gardens' and pitched them down and im making a slow jam out of this, it is so beautiful
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Thursday, 21 December 2017 04:57 (eight years ago)
And she's on Bandcamp now
https://virginiaastley.bandcamp.com/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 December 2020 23:13 (five years ago)
Cor, I was at that Riverside Studios show that’s on Bandcamp
― Jeff W, Friday, 4 December 2020 23:40 (five years ago)
Thanks for the heads up. I must have listened to "Hope In A Darkened Heart" a hundred times over the years. My copy is a white label without a sleeve (it was dirt cheap and I was poor) so somehow I never knew until now that it was produced by Ryuichi Sakamoto, even though now having that information it is glaringly apparent.
― stirmonster, Saturday, 5 December 2020 01:28 (five years ago)
Very!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 December 2020 02:46 (five years ago)
I just bumped the Sakamoto thread for Hope in a Darkened Heart. Really odd, peculiar record that I think anyone who is interested in that era of Ryuichi shouldn’t overlook.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 7 December 2020 14:43 (five years ago)
There are some older posts on her FB that detail the process of making that record.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 7 December 2020 15:11 (five years ago)
Oh good call -- there are actually a bunch of fairly recent posts describing the sessions.
Here's a B-side that a Facebook-er says John Foxx was a big champion of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jA6xHFODQ
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 7 December 2020 15:42 (five years ago)
Thank you to everybody who made purchases last Friday (and any other day!!) and for your continued support.Hope to put up something new very soonVA xxx
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 December 2020 15:20 (five years ago)
Simon Reynolds review of IGWWFS on Pitchfork.
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/virginia-astley-from-gardens-where-we-feel-secure/
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Sunday, 10 January 2021 20:03 (five years ago)
Sent just now via Bandcamp message:
With great excitement and anticipation I can share the digital release of my 1996 album HAD I THE HEAVENS, an album very dear to my heart.It will be released digital only this coming Friday to take advantage of Bandcamp's very kind offer to waive commission for a 24 hour periodI will make this album at 8am on this coming Friday morningWith great appreciation of your continued support in these trying times
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 21:40 (five years ago)
:DDDD
― would a nit be nice? (NickB), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 21:41 (five years ago)
New album!
https://virginiaastley.bandcamp.com/album/maiden-newton-ecliptic
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 March 2021 00:57 (five years ago)
!!!!!
― donna rouge, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:18 (five years ago)
aw yeah
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:24 (five years ago)
I was... not expecting a spoken-word delivery on all of these songs
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 12 March 2021 18:41 (five years ago)
great news. been listening a lot to her this year, but didn't make the connection until the other day that she plays on a record I very much love, Anne Clark's Joined Up Writing (Clark has had some amazing collaborators: John Foxx, Vini Reilly, Patrik Fitzgerald, David Harrow...).
― bulb after bulb, Friday, 12 March 2021 19:19 (five years ago)
listening to 'Hope In a Darkened Heart' for the first time... wow
― cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:38 (five years ago)
have been tripping a lot listening to From Gardens Where We Feel Secure while falling asleep, that semi dreamstate
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 07:45 (ten months ago)
Hmmm, maybe I should give it a try as pre-sleep hypnagogic state dream enhancer? These days I don't listen to anything but Tom Middleton while going to sleep.
But there is something incredibly dreamlike about From Gardens. (The word 'dreampop' is anachronistic, that concept wouldn't come up for decades.) It captures really well the warm, drowsy atmosphere of a mid-afternoon nap on a hot summer day. Something something childhood memories, something something faded memories like pressed flowers. It's something you definitely have to listen to 2 or 3 times without paying full attention before it reveals itself to you. Yet once you've been seduced into its music box world, you notice more and more tiny details. The backwards tape loops on the title track. The squeaky garden gate that becomes a haunting birdcall.
It's really magic, this stuff, isn't it?
And yet she seems so self aware of the fairy tale she is spinning:
'And you know I lieThis pure indulgent fantasyWith a baby's mindI crave for love'
― Etherwave, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 08:47 (ten months ago)
yes! you expressed that better than I ever could
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 08:56 (ten months ago)
I had a similarly intense reaction to Hope in a Darkened Heart. I get heavy Syd Barrett vibes from Virginia's songwriting (the lonesome, childlike side of Syd) and to have songs like that get Sakamoto treatments... one of the thousand ways the Hosonoverse has blown my mind apart
― TheNuNuNu, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 12:47 (ten months ago)
Two artists with very distinctive and fully-formed aesthetics that just perfectly complemented one another!
I can understand comparing it to the darker, more wistful side of Syd. There's definitely a bucolic side of early Floyd.
The artist I'm most surprised that no one else on the thread has ever referenced is The Sundays, but maybe it's just a passing vocal resemblance to Harriet Wheeler. Same combination of schoolgirl pure tone singing quite bitter/(sweet) lyrics.
But maybe it's just because I read that Simon Reynolds piece referenced above, but the thing she was most evocative of was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxhcjyKxGo
(But maybe that's just my own childhood nostalgia, because I can remember being allowed to stay up late to watch this, aged about 10 as an adult world I could only glimpse into. Beautiful theme. I don't know much about classical instrumentation, if that's a cor anglais or an oboe, but it feels the same sort of thing.)
― Etherwave, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 14:45 (ten months ago)
Been waiting 15 years for a vinyl reissue of FGWWFS.
holding off the used copy market due to costs, but for every record plant pressing up RSD landfill, I wonder if there are better things to reissue?
Anyone know if this is a licence thing? as she sells Gardens the digital copy on her bandcamp.
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 29 July 2025 16:13 (ten months ago)
From reading the interviews posted upthread I don’t think it’s a rights issues. (Apparently she got stiffed for the recording costs by Bill Drummond of all people - but that does mean she owns the masters)
I think it’s more the faff of putting out vinyl. (I’ve just had a friend put out vinyl and every step of the process has been faffy - even though they sold out the run on pre-orders alone. At this point, international shipping is so tricky they’re struggling to fulfil the orders they got.) So I understand the hesitation to do vinyl, even on a cult item like this!
― Etherwave, Tuesday, 29 July 2025 17:32 (ten months ago)
I checked out Hope in a Darkened Heart due to this revive and oh god I love it, thank you ilm <3I'll try From Gardens soon too (and I should probably get around to exploring the YMO-universe at some point)
― rob, Friday, 1 August 2025 22:29 (ten months ago)
I need to relisten to Hope in a Darkened Heart ASAP, been a few months! Too long!
― TheNuNuNu, Saturday, 2 August 2025 09:51 (ten months ago)
Virginia is a phenomenal lyricist
― TheNuNuNu, Saturday, 2 August 2025 09:52 (ten months ago)
I love her lyrics, and I can see why she was semi adopted by the hauntology / weird England mob - the way she swerves from extremely pretty bucolic pastoral England to just incredibly 'off' mid-phrase
I'm trying not to burn out on her stuff because there's not that much of it and I won't want to 'wear it out' but it's deeply beguiling and seriously moreish to me
― Etherwave, Monday, 4 August 2025 08:21 (ten months ago)
don't forget this cool comp track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyDHlWKaGU
― sleeve, Monday, 4 August 2025 14:42 (ten months ago)
Thank you for posting this artefact. It is very odd and intriguing!
I have... questions?
Like, why is she performing live in this steampunk hall full of beam engines? And why are the beam engines (which tend to be quite noisy beasts) completely silent?
― Etherwave, Monday, 4 August 2025 14:53 (ten months ago)
all I have as an answer is "it was 1985"
― sleeve, Monday, 4 August 2025 15:11 (ten months ago)
Forget it, Jake - it's Allentown
― the way out of (Eazy), Monday, 4 August 2025 16:06 (ten months ago)
For a song set in a steel mill, there is a distressing lack of steampunk in Allentown TBH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs
Maybe Virginia wanted the oiled men and Billy wanted the engines but there was a mixup at the video shooting studio
― Etherwave, Monday, 4 August 2025 16:16 (ten months ago)