Ministry "With Sympathy" C/D

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OH AND MLWTTKK SUX.

WTF

DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

CHRISTIAN ZOMBIE VAMPYERZ WILL CRUSH U!!!!
K?
THX BYE

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
i really wish with sympathy was recorded by a band that did not disown the brilliance of their own album for seemingly testosterone/opportunistic reasons...

"she's got a cause"!!!

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 29 May 2005 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
"what he say" is so ridiculous and such an obvious throwaway, that's it's brilliant. it (and other with sympathy songs) are VERY electro/hiphop influenced. it's also a zillion miles away from stuff like "just one fix" and "land of rape and honey."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

6. What He Say

i've seen many countries
argue about human lives
but one thing that stays the same is
the clubs are always full at night

pick out any far-out place
like kenya or swaziland
doesn't matter what the place
they'll still be dancing to the band

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

say you've found a homeland? (move to it, move to it)
say you've found a clubland? (get to it, get to it)
now you've got a song? (groove to it, groove to it)
got to find a partner (just get to it, get to it)

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

let's dance!

i've seen many a race of people
argue many things before
but there is one language that
gets you understood for sure

not a language of the mouth
it's only for the feet
grab a russian by the hands
and he will feel the need
that's right!

(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble)
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble)
(mumble mumble jumble) what he say?
(garble warble farble) let's dance!

let's dance!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

the video for "revenge" is hilarious!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

My affection for "Revenge" knows no boundaries.

this redeems yer many stylistic transgressions, mr. miccio! :-)

several other thoughts: (a) amg's entry -- saying that this CD would surely be one of the favorites of ally sheedy in the breakfast club is 100 OTM%; (b) "cocaine [or is it heroin?] is one helluva drug;" (c) there are some rather interesting parallels b/w the ministry and depeche mode (both start out making lightweight yet likeable synth-pop, and get MUCH darker and nastier as they go on ["heroin is one helluva drug"]; (d) with sympathy is pretty similar to the tom tom club!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Come come now, Filth Pig had the awesome, one–eyed ’Lava’ on it.

Kodanshi, Monday, 24 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

ha, these guys played my high schoolK the year after this came out. mind boggling that al jourgensen graced the same stage as that my friends' bands trod.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

re that high school show:

An audio recording of this show exists.

!!!!!!!!

and it looks like they did a fad gadget cover ("ricky's hand")!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

the alex in nyc/dan interchange upthread is awesome!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it, and now find it absolutely hilarious. "Cohld.. Loif..." Give it up, Al.
I kinda wish I could find it on a random fileshare (no slsk on my old-ass compu-tron), but no one who considers themselves a Ministry fan seems to be willing to own up to it (at least, a Ministry fan of my generation...)

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

My father used to own the 12" for Cold Life, but now can't find it. I grew up listening to it

Words cannot express how much this statement creeps me the fuck out. How young are you?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

who looks gayer?

this?

http://members.aol.com/NaylzIX/alain-3a.gif

or this?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mode2001/on%20the%20shower.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

a copy in any shape or form of that gig mentioned above would be greatly received. oh yes.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

and it says on the set list that they played"hezbollah"! i wonder how that version of it sounded.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

that ministry site linked upthread is great, they have tons of ancient interviews and press clippings and shit!

http://ministrymusic.org/mags/other/trouser-press-march-1983.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

js - here's cold life

give me this over any ministry post 1992.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

stir, seconded.

damn, can't find the work for love review from smash hits. it must've hit that great paper recycler a long time ago. damn.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

as for dan and alex's exchange upthread, i have to side with alex. 'all day' and 'everyday is halloween' in particular are very much in the style of 'with sympathy' (or 'work for love' as it was called over here).

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alan, you mean. ;-)

Anyway, back to the flamin', funkin' Ministry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

You're right, all of the vocal processing and machinery noises and thundering emphatic percussion make those songs practically identical to the With Sympathy material.

A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

but the 12" of 'all day' doesn't have vocal processing and thundering emphatic percussion.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

http://findfamous.com/pictures/lil_jon.jpg

GOTHFIGHT!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

"he's angry" to thread

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Christ, look at MartIn Wilder's hair on the far right! Holy smokes!

Alan, you mean.

Och! You're right. Wait, who is Martin Wilder?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

"Cold Life" and "Primental" (the pre-instrumental that would become "I Wanted To Tell Her") are pretty damn great, actually. The vocals are the "worst" part of "Cold Life", although they're really fun to imitate, but the backing music itself is pretty well done funk... better than most A Certain Ratio actually. That slap bass at the beginning is very Larry-Graham-esque. Go Paul Barker! (I'm guessing.)

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

nope, paul didnt join ministry 'til after Twitch IIRC

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Alex: I'm 26 now. The song came out when I was two. I remember a mixtape (probably made several years later) called "Language is a Virus" that had Cold Life, Shreikback, some Laurie Anderson, White Lines and some Devo on it, along with a song called The Machine by the Motor City Mutants that I would kill to find, that my dad made before we moved to Ann Arbor, which means that I was listening to it before I was seven.
That's why a lot of these threads on ILM are hilarious: because they're all about all of these songs that I recognize as childhood memories without a real sense of a lot of it as music. It was just something that was playing in the car on road trips with my family. Later on, I got back into a lot of it, but it's always kinda odd to talk to people who were into it as adults (or at least teens) the first time around.

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

where's dad now?

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

Getting a doctorate in "cyber rhetoric." (No joke— he looks at how discourse functions in places like online forums). He's mostly retreated into being a jazz head, although he really enjoys the Plunderphonics and Boomselect sort of stuff. He can go off about the "recombinant culture" too.

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

places like... this?

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

has he seen the noise board?

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

aw man!

NOIZE DAD!

Bring
it
on

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

i wonder what the phrase "language is a virus" had on you as a child.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

what effect.

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, places like this. Though I don't think he's gotten around to coming here yet... I keep trying to lure him in with the YSI threads, but I'm not sure he thinks he has time for it. He posts on Metafilter and a board called Music Abominations (which is mostly about jazz).
(As far as "language is a virus," I think I've just kinda accepted it as a truism... Certainly left me as a Laurie Anderson fan).

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

various lines from this have stuck in my head over the past couple weeks. "burning pictures of me head to toe HEY!" and "we went through the window, quiet as a mouse" being two i can't shake for some reason.

also, i'm surprised no one mentioned the red cassette case. it was always the easiest tapes to find in the box.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

we went through the window, quiet as a mouse"

Isn't it "IN through the window...."?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

perhaps, it is. regardless, i like the idea of jourganson being quiet as a mouse.

also, the chick who comes in during "i wanted to tell her" is so freakin 80s. that nasal-ly "you touch me bay-bee" would fit perfectly on an expose album.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

How'd I miss this thread last month?

Classic, of course.

TKK opening for Ministry would be wonderful, though I saw TKK open for Siouxsie et al around '92, and that was pretty cool.

Hm. What ever happened to Machines of Loving Grace? I saw them open for TKK at Shitty Gardens in maybe '93 or '94 now that I think of it.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

ha! that 'quiet as a mouse' line is the one that always sticks in my head too. thanks to this thread i have listened to 'revenge' about 20 times over the last fortnight.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG

Dan (BURN LIKE BRILLIANT TRASH) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

The best thing is that maybe 10 minutes after I made that post "The Richest Junkie Still Alive" popped up on shuffle from my iPod. I didn't even remember I had Gilt in here.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Gilt was really underrated when it came out. A lot of people thought there was gonna be another Jackie's Funeral, but it was pretty damn solid as a cohesive piece. I think I listen to it more than anything else (aside from All I Really Need's swearing mix, which is fun to put on tapes).

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

I saw MLG open for Peter Murphy back in 1992. Good times.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Can't decide whether this is awesome or pathetic. The convoluted interviews he's giving to justify the 180 on those songs are pretty exasperating.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 13 May 2024 10:36 (two years ago)

the 20th century was pretty stupid, if they're playing it now I want to hear it!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2024 14:43 (two years ago)

Al needs the money, and the kidz today want to hear that stuff apparently. Also he’s old, can’t keep up the intensity of In Case You Didn’t Feel Like Showing Up

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 13 May 2024 15:02 (two years ago)

Oh yeah - nothing wrong with giving the people what they're willing to pay for. Just spare us the myth of the martyr artist

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 13 May 2024 15:48 (two years ago)

i would like this more if they didn't dress the way they do

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 13 May 2024 15:49 (two years ago)

that set and those clothes at a day show crack me up, it's awesome

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 13 May 2024 16:01 (two years ago)

i don't care about any of Al's BS. I would just love to see that setlist performed live before i leave this planet.

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ministry/2024/brookside-park-pasadena-ca-43abefe7.html

stirmonster, Monday, 13 May 2024 16:39 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

https://consequence.net/2025/02/ministry-the-squirrely-years-album-2025-tour/

The tour will see Al Jourgensen and company performing songs from early albums "With Sympathy" and "Twitch."

Ministry’s 2025 Tour Dates:

04/29 – Phoenix, AZ @ Van Buren *
04/30 – Albuquerque, NM @ Revel *
05/02 – Austin, TX @ Emo’s *
05/03 – Houston, TX @ House of Blues *
05/04 – Dallas, TX @ Factory *
05/06 – Atlanta, GA @ The Eastern *
05/08 – Columbus, OH @ Sonic Temple Art & Music Festival
05/09 – Chicago, IL @ Riviera *
05/10 – Detroit, MI @ Masonic Cathedral *
05/12 – Baltimore, MD @ Soundstage *
05/13 – Philadelphia, PA @ Franklin Music Hall +
05/14 – Boston, MA @ Roadrunner +
05/16 – Brooklyn, NY @ Brooklyn Paramount +
05/17 – Montreal, QC @ MTelus +
05/18 – Toronto, ON @ History +
05/20 – Minneapolis, MN @ Palace +
05/21 – Winnipeg, MB @ Burton Cummings Theatre +
05/23 – Edmonton, AB @ Midway Music Hall +
05/24 – Calgary, AB @ Palace Theatre +
05/26 – Vancouver, BC @ Commodore +
05/28 – Seattle, WA @ Showbox SoDo +
05/29 – Spokane, WA @ Spokane Live Casino +
05/31 – Denver, CO @ Mission Ballroom +
06/01 – Salt Lake City, UT @ Union +
06/03 – San Francisco, CA @ Warfield +
06/04 – Los Angeles, CA @ Palladium +
06/05 – Las Vegas, NV @ House of Blues +

* = w/ Nitzer Ebb and Die Krupps
+ = w/ My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult and Die Krupps

Bee OK, Thursday, 13 February 2025 01:21 (one year ago)

one month passes...

Been listening to the new record - those covers don't sound that different from the originals but I felt like I was listening to the Bloodhound Gang at times. Oh well

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 3 April 2025 13:28 (one year ago)

I bought it and it's kind of fun, especially side 2, but i don't think it's something i'll revisit very often. I have slight buyers remorse.

stirmonster, Thursday, 3 April 2025 17:47 (one year ago)

I will never purchase this album because of the artwork

my favorite herbs are fennel and Drake (DJP), Thursday, 3 April 2025 21:07 (one year ago)

it actually comes wrapped in a completely different sleeve so you never need see the artwork.

stirmonster, Thursday, 3 April 2025 21:16 (one year ago)

it actually comes wrapped in a completely different sleeve so you never need see the artwork.

He's learning from Cannibal Corpse, I see.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 3 April 2025 21:38 (one year ago)

It is really fun and it is really terrible at the same time. It's the Beach Boys' Love You of industrial music. I'm enjoying it

DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 3 April 2025 21:48 (one year ago)

I don't know what that cover us about but it's kind if typical for them by now, no?

DLC Soundsystem (dog latin), Thursday, 3 April 2025 21:49 (one year ago)

I appreciate that the Twitch stuff is relatively straightforward. Like Al thought about putting a bunch of guitar over it and then was like “nah, this is great as it is”

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 4 April 2025 00:28 (one year ago)


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