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I vote for "Leave Me Alone" over "Age of Consent" (which is also good) as the best New Order rock song. I love the way the guitars intertwine over Stephen Morris' perfect propulsive-but-holding-back drum track.

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

― sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three months pass...

Search: "Selfish" by NO side project "The Other Two". Goddamn. perfect synth vocals. You could smack any beat under that at all and turn the thing into a club-burner.

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sundar - Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL

what - "Ecstasy"? that's, like, the bestest thing on there!

speaking of - look here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000042O1O/qid=1019160069/sr= 1-3/ref=sr_1_3_3/202-9547012-1697423
dude, where's my tracklisting? too bad about all the litigation, huh...

― Paul, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five months pass...

scott said about 15 months ago:
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

― gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: just about any 12" version, from everything's gone green on. The only sure fire classic album track not alreay mentioned is the marvelous 'POint of no return'

... at least that's what I think it's called...

― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Search "Don't do it" - goddammit I was gonna say that. and search Substance (the NO one), but destroy The Best Onf New Order, whatever damn country it comes from.

― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

jon - Vanishing Point?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 September 2002 07:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah yes!

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also search mesh & lonesome tonight, and the confusion and thieves like us remixes (for laughs!) -- i severely underrated the 2nd disc.

― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 September 2002 11:23 (twenty-three years ago)

and new order were my favorite band in high school!

― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

you also need to destroy the last album which everyone loves but an album which is actually really rather awful.
everything after regret needs to be erased, all extant copies in fact.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Youn, the second disc of _Substance_ is the entire reason to buy that album!

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the first disc of _Substance_ but few things touch the heights of "In A Lonely Place", "Procession", "Mesh", "Hurt", "Lonesome Tonight", "Murder", "Shame Of The Nation" and "1963".

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

NO obsessives will love this:

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-three years ago)

The Sunkist thing is a bit of a shock!!!

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

It seems Republic is disliked by many except for Regret. I love the album but think Regret is one of their weaker songs!

Search: Get Ready, and about everything else especially Technique just for Dream Attack, their very best song.

Destroy: As It Is When It Was on Brotherhood, a piece of shit with the most inconstant rhythm I have ever heard. And I don't like Technique's Run, it's simply irritating. The remixes of the Low Life songs on Substance pale to the originals.

― Tijn, Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the tussle between ned and dan over which side of substance is better.

I've only heard technique and i like it. an excellent record.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 29 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

SEARCH: "Blue Monday" 12", the version of "True Faith" that's on the Bright Lights, Big City soundtrack, the Substance versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion", the original version of "Ceremony" (not the one on Substance), "Crystal", "The Perfect Kiss", "Everything's Gone Green", and "Bizarre Love Triangle"

DESTROY: the original versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion", the version of "Confusion" that's on the Blade soundtrack, that song with Billy Corgan on Get Ready, The Rest of New Order, and disc three of Retro.

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

"Dream Attack", word

― dave q, Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I realized recently that BS's voice crapifies just about every NO track, no matter how great the music is. I put on "Temptation" and had to take it off. Maybe search "Bizarre Love Triangle" and leave it there.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 29 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, to ram the point home, search "ceremony" (green sleeve not blue and white sleeve - i presume this is the one NOT on substance from about 100 posts upthread!)

destroy: everything after "regret", including from track 2 of republic.

(in less charitable moods i would say destroy everything after "ceremony", but that's to judge them by its unfairly high standards)

― kieron, Sunday, 30 March 2003 07:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Did "Ceremony" come out before or after _Movement_?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

bernard sumner's vocals aren't that horrible. I do see what you mean sundar but for me he has the perfect 'I'm so not bothered and yet I'm getting away with it haha'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

i haven't talked enough about how 'temptation' is the best song ever. find me that thread where marcello nails that 'small voice/big music' dynamic so i can post it to the 'ilm critical insights' thread.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: _Technique_, which I love head to toe; the U.S. 7" mix of "Blue Monday 1988" (which radically re-edits the song & more or less structures it into a pop song); plus the videos for "The Perfect Kiss" (!!!!!) and "True Faith."

Destroy: "World in Motion," "Shell-Shock."

― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

you're telling me you don't like that rap douglas? hoe can you not?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

in 'world in motion' that is

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 30 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: "Temptation," "Age of Consent," "Your Silent Face," " Ceremony," "Touched by the Hand of God" (Does no one else love this?), "Leave Me Alone," "Face Up." There are more but their titles can be so hard to remember.

I don't know as I'd destroy anything, but the songs that just sit on the I & IV chords are the only ones I care much about.

― Burr (Burr), Monday, 31 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

And while I'm doing a bit of NO revival, search the last fifteen seconds of "Regret." I will take that against anything and everything recorded by all those Part of the Canon/Hall of Fame characters I regularly impugn -- Dylan, Beatles, Clash, U2, Springsteen, etc. -- now and forever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

see that's easy to say when you are just playing a band's records again, one after the other. but after a while the memory fades (you still think its great): it will not be the 'forever' as you say ned.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

i like a lot of new order, but personally id still take dylan over them. although if i need something to dance to, then its got to be true faith.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

it will not be the 'forever' as you say ned.

Oh yes it is. Trust me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

There are U2 and Clash songs that I like more than the last 15 seconds of "Regret".

Nothing recorded by either can touch "1963" or "Doubts Even Here", though.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 June 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

but personally id still take dylan over them

?????? god help us all

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, it was a comment on his music, im not making advances of manly love towards him

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Last night I dreamed about New Order. They were playing a gig at the Windmill (dive venue in Brixton, for those of you who aren't from London.) I remembered thinking that Barney was getting fat. But that I'd still do him in a heartbeat. ;-)

― kate (kate), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:53 (twenty-three years ago)

U're referring to the bass coda, right? Yeah these 15 secs are worth the album alone

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 13 June 2003 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

it's a bit harsh to rank the Beatles with those other characters, Ned, innit? at least they made some good films (unlike bloody U2, argh).

"Bizarre Love Triangle" is one of my fave singles evah.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Nice to see that some people out there do enjoy Movement. It was my first New Order album and has since been my favourite.

While there are a bunch of songs I'm not overly fond of, the only things I'd really like to destroy are "Shellshock" and that "Sub-culture" remix. I always found it hysterical that Peter Saville hated that version so much that he refused to design a sleeve for it.

I'd certainly avoid 90% of the remixes as well (via The Rest of and elsewhere).

― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd simply add 'State of the Nation' to your destroy list. Ok, and maybe also 'Liar' off Republic

― Fabrice (Fabfunk), Saturday, 23 August 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: Original 12" single of 'Ceremony"
Destroy: Blue Monday

― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 23 August 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

four weeks pass...

while i'm having the biggest neworder phase since about 10 years ago who can tell me which b sides/remixes that aren't on substance disc 2 and 'rest of' are the best ? i have a sneaky feeling that unlike, say prince or pet shop boys or whoever, that all the good stuff (cept maybe 1963) is on the a sides and albums. there's not a lost classic is there ? it's certainly not to be found on the b sides of technique. i like that though, it's al on the record between those 45 minutes ! one semi-gem i discovered is 'the happy one' (technique sessions) which is ace !

god i love new order so very very much it almost physically hurts.

is john denver really credited in the brackets after 'run 2' on the best of sleeve or is someone having me on ?

― piscesboy, Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the tune is ever so slightly nicked from denver's "leaving on a jet plane"

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 22 September 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

and the settlement from Denver's suit was described as their contribution to sending him into space!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 22 September 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure that 'the happy one' is used as the continuity music on one of their video collections, quite possibly the Substance one - accompanied by images of falling leaves coloured Saville style (True Faith single cover?)

― Alan (Alan), Monday, 22 September 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

aha ! well done alan. that explains why it sounds like 4 seperate pieces edited together ! it's a lovely little thing but totally throwaway. yeah i never bothered with the substance collection - neworderstory kind of negated that.

― piscesboy, Monday, 22 September 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I've really never be able to understand the fuss about Movement, Dreams Never End apart. It sounds so weak to me. Especially in comparison to Closer. Most of the other stuff is brilliant however, and the B side collection from Substance is a must for Lonesome Tonight, 1963, Mesh, Procession and Murder.

How come no one has mentioned Thieves Like Us yet? (Surely the best single made be anyone ever etc)

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 22 September 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

jason donovan's favourite single of all time. fact.
i recall very vividly the picture of him holding up
'substance 1987' on vinyl in an interview in 1989, and
for the first time thinking 'oh maybe he's quite cool after all'.
the last time i though that was when he did the jo whiley tv show in 98 and he was clearly out of his mind.

― piscesboy, Monday, 22 September 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The fuss about _Movement_ centers on the fact that while the first half is good (especially "Truth"), the second half is godly. It is difficult to find a track sequence as fantastic as "ICB"/"The Him"/"Doubts Even Here"/"Denial".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

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Peter Hook and the Light definitely have a vibe these days, they just seem like they're having a great time up there and you can feel it

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Wednesday, 12 March 2025 03:51 (one year ago)

xp Hook was open to a one-off had the HOF inducted them the last time they were nominated. (If things work out, we may get three reunions this time around that may never happen again.)

― birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 March 2025 05:41 (one year ago)

I think Hooky has been making noises for a while that he’d be quite keen to rejoin

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 15 March 2025 08:23 (one year ago)

in sydney last night they didn’t play either of the Technique songs that have been in rotation, booo - happy to have skipped it - but i saw pj Harvey on the outdoor opera house stage the night before and NO by the harbour on a warm sydney night woulda been fun for sure

― Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Saturday, 15 March 2025 09:30 (one year ago)

Saw the the line up minus Gillian but with Hook back in '98 (they hadn't played live in 5 years which seemed like an age at the time and was considered a really big deal) and this was a highlight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImCFJm42qI4

― piscesx, Saturday, 15 March 2025 11:06 (one year ago)

Yeah that one was on the peel session they did in 98, which was ace. Do check it out

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 15 March 2025 11:11 (one year ago)

wait, I thought Gillian did play at Reading? I own that DVD.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 March 2025 11:42 (one year ago)

yeah she didn't retire from touring until get ready was released

― ufo, Saturday, 15 March 2025 14:16 (one year ago)

Can't believe these guys ever had anything to do with a dweeb like Billy Corgan.

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 March 2025 17:48 (one year ago)

The five years between Republic and Reading 1998 seemed like an eternity back then.

― Slayer University (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 15 March 2025 18:10 (one year ago)

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD11s85EQKc

― Maresn3st, Sunday, 24 August 2025 10:42 (ten months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEt4_zyhT6s

― Maresn3st, Sunday, 24 August 2025 10:49 (ten months ago)

six months pass...

an audiophile gives his take on various new order releases over the years

https://darko.audio/2026/03/new-order-on-cd-from-factory-originals-to-steven-wilson-remixes/

― 龜, Sunday, 22 March 2026 13:06 (three months ago)

nice, thx for sharing

― brimstead, Sunday, 22 March 2026 16:32 (three months ago)

It wouldn't be New Order if the catalog wasn't a mess.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 March 2026 16:46 (three months ago)

The labels have to stop crushing everything - who the fuck cares if you have to raise the volume? It's completely stupid to make something sound squashed, congested and really shitty just because some moron wants everything to be "loud" without ever raising the volume.

― birdistheword, Sunday, 22 March 2026 19:37 (three months ago)

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