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Yeah, I've always wondered about that. If the problem with prog is that it's too self-indulgent, lacking in pop sensibilities, etc then you'd think Asia and Journey would be critics' heroes and King Crimson and Mahavishnu Orchestra would be their most hated bands.

― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Lakeside Park" !!!

― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm, I never thought of Rush as especially prog. Never made sense to me. Especially after the '70s their songs were all short, owed little to classical music (and more to cartoon music) and had hooks. And wanky? Dunno. Over-arranged, to be sure, but no more wanky than, say, Journey.

Wow, x-post!

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Fripp played with Eno, and McClaughlin played with Miles, so they get passes, maybe?

Anyways, Rush is classic. Sure, they have some shitty songs, and some head scratching political issues, but so do Dylan, Neil Young, and the Stones.

Search: Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Presto

― By-Tor, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's weird cuz usually the typical indie prog hater will say, "I hate all that wanky shit like Rush"...but for some reason King Crimson getz an indie ghetto pass from dudes, when in actuality they were probably the MOST muso-wanky of all those bands, incl. ELP and Yes....I like KC, but man Fripp's like the ulitmate chops dude, and they probably had the least pop sensibilities of all those bands.

It's all leftover from that bullshit "year zero" mentality, which was even hypocritical from the standpoint of many of the more celebrated punks (Lydon was a huge fan of Beefheart and Van Der Graff Generator and Alice Cooper, the Clash were fans of Thin Lizzy and Mott the Hoople, etc. etc.).

The roommate of a friend of mine who went to Fordham University was the biggest hardcore punk you could imagine -- close-cropped hair, Doc Martens, all the right gear, t-shirts, records, tattoos, etc....but was a HUGE Rush fan at the same time...and refreshingly saw nothing wrong with it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

But can Peart be assumed to be pro-oak and anti-maple?

Given that the oaks literally "hold high places", are they not guilty of failing in their duty to "be the ones who start to mould a new reality" (or something like that)?

Does the song's lack of reference to other kinds of tree itself constitute an act of exclusionary oppression?

― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, what about the conifers?

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

And Alex in NYC OTM. That Year Zero moment was so phony. You could continue liking the so-called dinosaurs, but it was suddenly a lot harder to admit it. That punk with the Rush love was nearly me... although for Rush probably substitute Yes and I was a lot more self-conscious about it all, which was too bad in retrospect.

(Ha, punk guilt?)

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

King Crimson and VDGG get a bypass because they aren't always as, shall I say, flowery or bordering on corny as the likes of Yes, and they come over as that much more intense and psychotic, which just may be easier to admit to relating to. If KC had split up prior to Larks' Tongues... it'd be a different story.

― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I just bought Pawn Hearts by Van Der Graaf Generator....it's awessome!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

alex lifeson, man

― j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 07:52 (five years ago) link

pretty much

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 November 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link

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