tumblr rapper kitty pryde

at least it took them longer to get to the NYT though

Like, I really don't see what makes this music the province of teenage girlhood as opposed to the music large numbers of teenage girls actually listen to like "Call Me Maybe" and "Boyfriend" and which, not coincidentally, heaps of ILXORS actually love.

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

i think that considering how much has been written abt the facile nature of tumblr it makes perfect sense as a pt of comparison despite the shifting medium

a lot's been written about the facile nature of pop, but that doesn't make calling something "pop" a particularly resonant criticism.

xps, idk this doesnt strike me as artificial as all that, p sure there's a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap and suchlike that would naturally internalise the aesthetic

has j-shep commented on this, just out of morbid interest

yeah i mean maybe there IS a significant young female fanbase for complex-championed blog rap, i don't really know.

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities. it establishes who she is and where she's coming from in broad terms, and the ILX-beloved teenpop you're talking about doesn't usually go there.

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

I mean yes, "OK Cupid" is very different from "Call Me Maybe" which is basically my point: I don't think you can just run together made-by-teenagers with made-for-teenagers and therefore assume that adults aren't the market here. The reasons people might like or dislike High School Musical and the reasons people might like or dislike a short film made for a school art project are likely to be very different. Typically, the first is made by adults to succeed with a kid audience, whereas the second is made by kids to succeed with an adult audience. And Kitty Pryde feels more like the second than the first for me.

If there is a general swathe of tumblr teengirls that do listen to cloudrap then it's hard not to conclude that they're likely to have much more in common with ILM posters as a general rule rather than less (xpost with some dude...)

calling it all "complex-championed blog rap" is a bit whineyish looking through the wrong side of the telescope tho

like evan r says a lot of things but imo he was right to cast doubt on ilm's portrait of the weeknd as purely a crit conceit, the guy and the things he stands for are genuinely popular

of course you would require in this instance to have a more nuanced idea of "popularity" beyond chart-indie-pitchfork, and a looser definition of fanbase for that matter too probably

idk it's just some general middle class shit, paging lamp i'm going to bed already

yeah sorry if that's a sloppy or misleading choice of words, i genuinely don't really know who is actually listening to or talking about Kitty Pryde right now besides Complex and Fader and people on ilx who are plugged in enough to that world to be annoyed that she's getting attention in it.

i mean it almost goes without saying that if this girl posted on ILM she'd be regarded by a lot of people itt as having really cool taste.

if this girl posted to ilx she'd be laughing at everyone itt pro, con, or otherwise.

if she posted to ILX she'd post her youtube raps and ppl would prob say how good they were

damn i wish kitty pryde was an ilxor

the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk. that's thing one, the throw down, the challenge to adult sensibilities

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

personally i think jessica sanchez is more interesting than kitty pryde

if she was really cutting edge she'd substitute vocal fry for the uptalk

Jshep tweeted about how white male crits crap on female artists but this was in the wake if andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig, and she said shes not rlly into the song either

I dont question that this ish could end up w a big middlebrow fanbase but so could lots of things given that kind of exposure where everyone feels obliged to have an opinion cf the lana del rey thing

andy hutchins tweeting the phone number to kp's retail gig

the fuck

who are these ghouls

who are these gooles

one and only, bucko

Has anyone complained about those things ITT though?

[tim F asking about my description of her vocal manner] no, but no one has really broken down what it is they dislike her. the criticism has been mostly of the "lol she sucks" variety, intermixed with the suggestion that she's getting attention for the wrong reasons, that others deserve it more, etc. i'm only suggesting that her very typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach might be part of what causes people to dismiss her.

uh, "...what it is they dislike about her."

ery typically US-teen-girl-style vocal approach

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

i hate to keep bringing this up over and over again but i deal with teenage girls every freaking day (it's my job) and i've even studied them in graduate school and this shit is not as particularly challenging as you make it sound. sometimes they say smart things and sometimes they don't, sometimes they say cool things and sometimes they don't and it's not too hard to look past the "uptalk" to figure it out - especially since as a san diegan i speak in uptalk too even though i'm old, male and serious (NOW WHAT?!?)

well, i'm not talking about you, for one thing. i assume every individual has his or her reasons.

if there were a bunch of female rappers working this particular vocal style and exploring these themes, and if there were a high level of acceptance for this approach among older male rap heads, then i would probably be less inclined to wonder how big a role these things played in the rejection of KP.

\O_o/

i'm going to regret posting this but i have no idea what you mean here

went into it in a little more detail a few posts back: "the manner of speech: tones, inflections, cadences, giggling, uptalk." add breathiness, a particular and deliberate sort of flatness, the cartoonishly childlike tone she momentarily affects on the "i'm thirteen, what is lean? what is dream pop" line, etc.

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

also just the straight-up sound of her voice. we can tell a lot about people just by listening to their voices: age and gender are obvious, and perhaps culture and where they call home (of course, we can be wrong about these things too). the sound of KPs voice, her basic tone and manner of speech convey something about her and her place in the world. we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance.

for the most part, she doesn't seem to be trying to "sound like a rapper". she's trying, if anything, to sound like an ordinary teenage white girl. that's not a common style in rap.

i don't know what makes that typical of us teen girls

well, the "voice" KP raps in is common among (and a specific signifier of) a particular segment of US teen girls. we know she's a young woman from the basic tone & timbre of her voice. we might reasonably suppose that she's an american teenager from her accent and vocal manners. we could probably deduce all that without even being able to understand english.

elementary, my dear watson

it's a reasonable answer to the question. you don't have to snark at everything i say just on principle.

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that mysterious "good" thing again...

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, May 14, 2012 3:12 PM Bookmark

dude stop fucking acting like people who don't like her are trying to make objective statements from on high and not just stating their subjective opinions

i'm trying to prod people into explaining where they're coming from and what it is about her approach, specifically, that they think sucks so incredibly bad

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

we know she's not an old dude from latvia, for instance. x1000

you disagree? i wouldn't have said it if ppl hadn't challenged me on the specifically teen-girlish qualities of KP's voice & style.

http://sergiod.tripod.com/Socates.JPG

god i love tripod image hosting

see, and that wasnt even a real sentence let alone a graf

lol, i posted a similarly brief list of praiseworthy qualities about 3 miles back. the late great suggested that it might not be sufficient.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/socrates_1.jpg

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

also i hope you understand "sleepwalking through recitation of inanities" might carry more weight than "presenting a novel point of view", after all you like the beastie boys better than ICP

Don't agree with 'sleepwalking', though - whether you consider it a pro or con the way she accentuates lines like "but like, i'm open minded and it's fine" she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'.

whenever i find myself posting on one of these threads multiple times i have a vision of my grandfather in a muddy ditch, with water in his boots, being shot at by nazis, defending western civilization, and then wondering why he bothered.

inert music plus a voice with zero charisma or range sleepwalking through a recitation of inanities

think we all agree she's working with scraps music-wise. i'm overlooking that for the moment, cuz i don't think she's a producer, and her resources are probably limited. just a guess...

"zero charisma": i don't know, but fair complaint. she's not setting my world on fire, either.

the "limited range" i see as a strength. she's in character, and the low-intensity style is part of it.

"recitation of inanities", is both otm and missing the way she uses these "inanities" to describe character, culture, time and place - a detailed and authentic portrait of a life largely composed of such things. nothing wrong with that, imo. it's as appropriate and potentially interesting as any other subject matter. again, i don't think it's great, but i'm surprised that so many find it so notably awful.

not sufficient ... for somebody who's accusing everyone else of not being specific enough

yeah, strongo slammed me for going on. i defended myself by saying you'd found my sketch of her strengths a little thin. that's just the facts.

contenderizer have you heard of uffie

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation'

trying to figure out how a musician could fail these two criteria

http://www.nndb.com/people/490/000022424/charo-color-70.jpg

she's obviously inhabiting a deliberate personality (her own, probably). There's thought behind the delivery even it just amounts to 'this is how I would say it IRL conversation