Is SPIN really circling the drain?

lol guitars

omg i havent thought about fark in forever

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For all the posturing about "the kids," the SPIN list is really for people in their 40s.

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Friday, May 4, 2012 2:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

the list of guitarists that people in their 20s listen to is pretty short, though

― some dude, Friday, May 4, 2012 6:40 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ppl say this a lot but it doesn't feel all that true to me. i'm more shocked at how LITTLE of a generation gap there is anymore...i work with a lot of ppl younger than me in their 20s and a lot of them way more into classic rock and metal and other stuff, and more critical of newer stuff than i am

and just the popularity of like mainstream indie now....

as far as younger kids i meet in bands they seem to be super into older stuff, almost the same canon i grew up on...

i dunno it's weird...i'm 37 and i was having a conversation with a bar seeing some bands with someone who was 27 and also someone who was 46, 20 year gap and we all pretty much liked the same stuff

honestly i'm just glad to have a celebration of the gen-x indie guitar rock aesthetic written by whiney.

We don't worship "guitar gods," but prefer our axe-wielders to be resourceful, egalitarian, flawed, and human.

well i meant more guitarists that 20somethings listen to MORE than 30somethings and 40somethings. lots of young people still listen to Nirvana and Sabbath, but not necessarily more than the olds did or do.

no i agree obv hip hop and newer guitarists like skrillex mean this gen is like um less rockist and stuff, but i guess i'm always surprised by how much that stuff endures! just like david bowie is still cool or whatever, and he was old tyme stuff for me, much less kids today

david bowie really should've had a challop entry on the list

Yeah, it's kinda weird for me too. When I was a kid, like 1950s stuff wasn't very cool - Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly. Don't know if it is now or not. And so my gut expectation would be for today's youth to dismiss Led Zeppelin or something in a similar way, I guess. But that's not really how it works out.

xp

Obviously Skrillex at 100 is some "informed trolling" but there is a point to it I suppose. If you're looking to include a token person using "guitar textures" to make interesting music Fennesz is a much more defensible inclusion. Other notable exclusions at first blush (in rough order of WTF-ness): Dean Warhem, Loren Connors, Michio Kurihara, Richard Bishop, Jeff Parker, Jack Rose, Ben Chasny, Keith Rowe. Would be very interested to hear how the selection process went down.

i don't think it really matters in the end. who was included. as i said earlier on this thread, A+ job by whiney to make people think about Spin in 2012. that's the important thing.

Spin-magazines-top-100-guitarists-of-all-time-Skrillex-is-100-Jam-Master-Jay-is-10-no-Hendrix-Page-Van-Halen-in-sight-Oooh-edgy

i like that reading the url means i don't have to actually read the article.

If you're looking to include a token person using "guitar textures" to make interesting music Fennesz is a much more defensible inclusion

well yeah, seeing as he actually is a guitarist

xp it's not an article as much as people complaining about the lack of Buckethead and Flea

I like that list Whiney, fwiw, but guitar people reactions to this are even better, I didn't know before that hearing about SY is some king of obscure, arcane knowledge

now do the top 100 electronic artists and put jimi at #100
you know you want to

(i want a byline credit if you do this btw)

I didn't know before that hearing about SY is some king of obscure, arcane knowledge

Oh god, this.

No STEVE LUKATHER??? The people at Spin are Spun. That list is worthless and is an offense to any good guitar player that really understands what it takes to be a master of the instrument. I'm surprised that list doesn't include Tiny Tim and Don Ho.

The people at Spin are Spun

BURN

lol guitar people

MAN do they love them some steve lukather

Steven Lee "Luke" Lukather (born October 21, 1957) is an American guitarist, singer, songwriter, arranger, and record producer best known for his work with the rock band Toto. A prolific session musician, Lukather has recorded guitar tracks for more than 1,500 albums representing a broad array of artists and genres. He has also contributed to albums and hit singles as a songwriter, arranger, and producer. Lukather has released six solo studio albums, and he is currently working on his seventh.

holy shit

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--nqmyHzq-7w/TV1N3xUA02I/AAAAAAAAAug/eC1-LSfiRtI/s1600/luke%2Bweb.jpg

cool forehead

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Steve_Lukather_with_guitar,_singing.jpg

you'd think guy fieri wouldn't use an alias for his career as a guitarist, but i guess the world is just a weird place

Hah! And wow, an Ovation and 50 guitar picks on the mic stand. Can one possibly drop/shred through that many picks in one show, especially if someone is a professional?

I think there's a tendency for the older Gen X'er to adopt the fake-out punk attitude of "pink floyd sucks" which in its way is bleed-over from the boomer attitude against 50s music, but I think more and more people are seeing music as a cultural continuum and not some identity war. I live across the street from a high school and I see a wide spectrum of eras and styles represented on t-shirts when class lets out: Beatles, Misfits, Iron Maiden, Cure, Led Zep, The Who, etc.

Sounds just like the 60s and 70s to me.

there was one kid with a Nirvana shirt as well

classic rock will always have a home with white kids who are slightly uncool

Hah! And wow, an Ovation and 50 guitar picks on the mic stand. Can one possibly drop/shred through that many picks in one show, especially if someone is a professional?

― grandavis, Friday, May 4, 2012 1:37 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

One can when one is constantly tossing them to the audience.

BTW this high school is 99% mexican american.

Lukather really is a monster & I have him to thank for turning me on to Allan Holdsworth so he's cool w/me

lol bernard sumner

i love JD but c'mon, dude was barely a step above sid vicious in terms of suckiness

he is a truly terrible guitarist who's made some life-changing records for sure

I think there's a tendency for the older Gen X'er to adopt the fake-out punk attitude of "pink floyd sucks" which in its way is bleed-over from the boomer attitude against 50s music, but I think more and more people are seeing music as a cultural continuum and not some identity war. I live across the street from a high school and I see a wide spectrum of eras and styles represented on t-shirts when class lets out: Beatles, Misfits, Iron Maiden, Cure, Led Zep, The Who, etc.

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Friday, May 4, 2012 4:17 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

lol this is otm, and also explains this list made by older gen x'ers

to be fair, though, bernard sucks even worse at singing. hahaha!

but its all moot. dude played guitar on ceremony! he belongs on every greatest list ever written.

wtf people his solos in "Shadowplay," "Ceremony," and "Age of Consent."

you don't have to tell me. he was in my 2nd fave band ever. i love him. even if he sucks.

two of our students snuck backstage to see New Order when they played Ultra. He and the ugly Hooky replacement praised their ingenuity and the four of them had beers on the lawn for a good half hour. Barney even recorded a station ID.

Steve and Gillian didn't make an appearance.

the primary word in "SPIN's 100 Greatest Guitar Players of All Time" isn't "All-Time" but is, in fact "SPIN"

that caveat puts it on a par with Dr Morbius' 100 Greatest Comic-Book Movies

plus prince is a lame inclusion cuz he's such a classic rock showoff anyway, he's totally RS bait

if youre not gonna put son house or jimmy page on the list then for christ's sakes don't put jack white on it.

This is basically why the list seems so weird to me. It would actually be interesting to see a list of avant-garde guitarists (where you'd include some of the people MFB mentioned) or a list of postpunk guitarists but including Prince and Eddie Hazel in the top 10 (who are really obviously Hendrix-influenced) and then excluding Jimi Hendrix altogether just seems perverse. Like, Frank Zappa was egalitarian and humble? Really? He was not so far off from Jeff Beck's aesthetic, really, only with less taste and restraint.

Prince and Eddie Hazel in the top 10 (who are really obviously Hendrix-influenced) and then excluding Jimi Hendrix altogether just seems perverse

agreed

yeah and zappa i really like high level guitar mag stuff, what you get into once you graduate from the entry level guitar mag jackoff stuff

tbrr I can barely make it through an entire Hendrix album, while Prince and Hazel are like all-time godz to me so eh I don't really see the problem

no randi? no zakk? no satch? no eric FRIGGIN clapton? this list is a joke. it is meaningless to me.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1030-02.jpg

these jokers at spin must be hipsters with no understanding of music.

saw that comment a lot "they dont understand MUSIC"