― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)
If people thought Tilt was hard stuff, this is built out of the same ideas(vast expanses of abyss with just that voice to guide you through then short bursts of bellowing rupture) but far more offensive and aggressive and absurd than before.On Tilt and Climate of Hunter and the Niteflites tracks there was at least some hint of the easy listening merchant of before, but twisted in a Lynchian way so that it became subverted in its new terrain, but here there is basically none of that, all transformed into noise rock, Penderaki like queasy stasis, and insane tableaux. Even on Tilt there was "The Patriot" and "Farmer in the City" lush songlike songs, albeit of a bizzaro hue.
Differences from Tilt--- less songy, more operatic, less heterogenous from song to song, the vocabulary remains the same across the album--- baritone guitars/atonal acoustic guitars, string dischords and Iannis Xenakis like glissandi, with lots of musique concrete/improv like disturbing sound effects- is that really a donkey braying or some kind of brass instrument on "Jolson and Jones"...? On Psioratic is that a giant pee rolling around?Is that sawing of wood in the middle 8? There's far less tonal and chordal segments as well, rather stretches of effects and obscure instruments beating out regular rhythms...
Singing remarkably for a 63 yr old as effortlessly as ever- genuinelyimpressive...sounds just as good vocally as 11 years ago...
The comments that it was his rockingest album are accurate, not to the extent that he uses lots of guitars or verse/chorus structures... rather that its aggressive and pounding in parts in a way that his stuff hasn't been in the past... but really it sounds like a single piece in movements, almost a diseased cabaret or an ultra-avant garde opera of modern cruelty. It immediately renders all Goth/Industrial as frightening as a care-bearsannual sing-along...
Its immense and incredibly truculent- a libretto/lyric sheet really feels ESSENTIAL in order to make any headway with some of the pieces... makes even plainer the idea that he's often singing in different characters within the same song, different angles on the thing described..some lyrics already stick out .... "anthrax Jesus, sack of feet", "nose holes caked in black cocaine..." "don't think it hasn't been fun, cos it hasn't..." "polish the fork and stick the fork in him", "waddles into the afternoon, look into its eyes, it will look into your eyes......", "and everything within reach."And the little tv news sample at the beginning of Buzzers... "Caligula proclaimed his horse senator, but his horse never took his seat"
Some questions- what the fuck is that ducknoise thing on "The Escape" all about? Its completely obscene and absurd....And on "A Lover Loves" what are the hissing noises for? What does it all mean? The end of the album leaves me completely puzzled and confused... it ends in a kind of terrifying absurdity. Actually the entirety of those last two songs is so jarring and fucked up. Can anyone help me along here??? This seems like properly new terrain for Walker, twisted absurdity as the last place to go after the cavalcade of horrors before or what exactly? It feels like one of the few albums I've heard where it requires serious discussion just to work out what the hell is going on! Just some basic thematics would be helpful (ie "Clara" and "Jesse" make a lot of sensegiven that we know the former is about the death of Mussolini's mistress and the latter perhaps Elvis in conversation with his dead twin about the fall of American myth as represented by 9/11)
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)
I think I agree. I'm getting tired of thinking about what it might be like. I don't want to ruin it for myself.
― jz, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)
it's definitely a donkey, taken from a sound effects record. i have it on very good authority. ahem.
"Caligula proclaimed his horse senator, but his horse never took his seat"
i've listened to this 50 - 60 times, and i still have no idea what it means. the song is meant to juxtapose the reign of milosevic with the evolution of the horse. that's fine as a guiding principle, but i have no clue how to apply it. yet.
Some questions- what the fuck is that ducknoise thing on "The Escape" all about? Its completely obscene and absurd....
the song opens with a slide guitar, which is meant to call to mind the Warner Bros/Loony Tunes theme song. again, no idea how these fragments contributue to the overall meaning of the song. been working on it for a whiiiile now.
the last song might be my favorite on the record. it's definitely the most melodic, but also weird and halting because of all the "psst! psst!"
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)
I liked it better pre-Internet, when albums just appeared...(like "Tilt", for instance)...very few things just come out of the blue anymore, and nothing ever lives up to the hype...
― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)
Agreed on the donkey business...
In context of the quote itself Milosevic is basically saying that a declaration means nothing, its the taking (the horse to the senate, bosnians taking control etc). Hmm... a difficult one.... and the evolution of the horse....?
The further the album goes on the more opaque its lyrical matter becomes...
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)
all - sorry for spoiling the fun, i've just been dying to discuss some of this...
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)
Ha ha, maybe he just thought, "That's a funny line, I'll just stick that one in there for big yuks"
― Nadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)
I know it may not be a reference but what intrigues me is how both examples decided to use such a ridiculous sound in such a frightening way.
What with the sexual interpretation of donkey punching and the content of The New York Ripper, the album could be heard rather differently. THIS FILTH MUST BE BANNED.
― Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)
But yes, when I heard that Caligula line, I burst out laughing cos its the most twisted and weird sentence. But I'm sure using it as a frame must mean something in the context of the rest of the song.
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)
but also rude to be left off promo lists.
― Wrinklepaws (Wrinklepaws), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)
― Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)
― Bettina Wagner, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)
― Paul Baran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)
Can we not just start a new thread to discuss it, or will that irk the multitude?
― gek-opel, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:06 (twenty years ago)
― ross, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)
Oh lord.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:08 (twenty years ago)
i'll cop. i didnt pick up on this at all.
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― D. Duck, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:45 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:27 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)
― boychild, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)
― PaulBaran, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:35 (twenty years ago)
I've yet to come across a link that's still working in any of the blogs/forums I've just visited.
― Scott fan, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:01 (twenty years ago)
(I am agreeing with you hstencil, not mocking you)
― Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)
― lee ward (lee ward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)
― Peak Lupe (Peak Lupe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:44 (twenty years ago)
― Scott fan, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:21 (twenty years ago)
― Peter Andre, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)
― Peak Lupe, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)
Christ.
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)
Hand Me Up also ends on him feeling like christ... the nails going into his feet and hands... so yes, mocking himself and the way he is perceived, (the tortured artist is all an audience wants) or just the way no-brow sleb-culture in the end wants only to crucify those it once celebrated, it wants them dead (see Pedro Doherty et al...)
Psoriatic refers in part to "the silver people" (the term for people who suffered with psoriasis in medieval times) which I read elsewhere as being a subject Scott has written about before (a piece for his Meltdown Festival back in 2000 was it?)- but I don't know what all the blanket stuff is about...
Cue and Jolson and Jolson evade my grasp at present, but the fat black crocodile on the sandbar is a nice image...
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)
see, i got that in Psoriatic ("anthrax, jesus.../ pulling out won't be slow") but didnt get it in The Escape.
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)