The Hole 'Celebrity Skin' Poll & Discussion

billy upthread otm re. this album and LA.
We also had a pretty good discussion here:
Recommend me something similar to Hole's 'Celebrity Skin'

i watched the patty schemel documentary, which was pretty good but the whole time i was kind of like "why does this movie exist?"

that shit about the asshole producer of celebrity skin was crazy.

i started to watch this, thinking the same question, but turned it off after 5 seconds, when she pointed at a graveyard from the tour bus like it was an amazing moment of profound spiritual meaning

i mean, it was kinda good! i guess. there was some cool footage of kurt cobain just being goofy and stuff, lots of video of what the 90s really looked like.

she seems like a nice person overall, as did Erik from Hole and Roddy from Faith no More

uhm not sure where to put this but this is pretty cool footage (even if publicizing it may be less cool, I don't know if CL cares) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xUwDARVb4

that's the worst guitar playing I've ever heard – unless she's going for Arto Lindsay.

hey this is the best album ever

HE'S SO DEEP
LIKE DIRTY WATER

If only she sang every Corgan song

BEST. ALBUM. OF. MY. LIFE.
really.

malibu and boys on the radio are favs, but i have a deep admiration for heaven tonight as well.

"Malibu" and "boys on the radio" for me too but that drumming on "awful" doe

best backing vocals of the '90s: melissa auf der maur

the harmonies are the rich hidden text of this record

― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:27 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

miles and miles of perfect skin

I love how this album hires Billy Corgan to write songs about feminine lust.

Not sure much of that is Billy. The lyrics seem pretty pure Courtney to me. So many great lines on this record.

I'm referring to the music.

actually the best songs are Erlandson-Love.

Ah, right. Yeah, I've always thought Billy's role on this album was exaggerated (mostly by him). He's obviously part of it, but not much of it really sounds like him.

Erlandson definitely the unsung hero of Hole.

That sequence from "Boys on the Radio" to "Playing Your Song" is immense.

It's too bad Michael Beinhorn was such a jerk to Patty Schemel, but he sure made the record sound amazing.

i don't if i ever read a decent review/thinkpiece about this record. It deserves.

we don't talk about this album enough

IT'S FUCKIN WONDERFUL THEY SOLD YOU OUT

― a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, August 15, 2011

idk what i was talking about with the poll; "dying" and "use once and destroy" is def my favorite section of this record

brad was right of course, great harmonies record. great guitar record too.

I realized a few weeks ago that this album will be 20 next year, and if anything deserves a big anniversary retrospective it does. So I've started a blog to go through the 12 songs, one each month.

https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/

My wife's going to write at least one (she claimed "Awful") and there are a few that I feel strongly about myself (title track, Boys on the Radio), but if anyone wants to contribute a 500-1000 word entry on a song of your choice, hit me up -- jmayshark AT geemail. I haven enough thoughts about the album to write them all myself, but I'm also partial to group projects.

how many references to candy are there on this album exactly?
so many, and when you add in the "sugar coma"/"boys on the radio factor" i think the whole thing is about sweetness and decay and boys

oops i put the quotation marks in the wrong place
i don't want to write 1000 words about any of the songs but i do have feelings about it

also i love her singing -- it's so expressive
maybe not pretty but very expressive. "malibu" almost always makes me cry.

Yeah I think she's hugely underrated as a singer. Will definitely get into that in zee blog.

there were a few albums that came out around the same time that had a similar sugar-pop-leaning -- GBV had Do the Collapse (with a song on the Buffy sdtk iirc?), Wilco released Summer Teeth (featuring "Candy Floss", another song about candy) -- I'm sure there were others. On a personal level, I was just meeting and getting to know my partner (<3) which I think adds to the sweetness/sugar coma feeling of these albums for me.

Great idea, tipsy!

I listened to this loads at the time but now it's mainly Awful that sticks in my head <3

20 years tho

can't hear 'miles and miles of perfect skin' without instead thinking 'miles and miles of carpet tiles'

Around the time “Awful” came out I went to a nightclub for fun for like, the 2nd time in my life. It was one of those alternative-music nights called like, Clockwork Orange or something.

Anyway they played Awful & i just remember being thrilled by the poppiness of it & how new it sounded, and how great Courtney sounded too. No-one was dancing & I had the dancefloor to myself & i just lost myself in the song, it felt so good. Man I love that song.

HE TASTES LIKE CANDY

aw that is a sweet memory VG!!

i have a lot of memories around this time -- it's kind of hard for me to separate them from the songs

"Awful" was great then, and just gets better with age.

First proper blog entry is up -- https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/1-celebrity-skin/. One of my favorite album openers of all time.

(I didn't even get to some of my favorite lines in the song, because I realized I could write a paragraph each on nearly every one.)

Reasons to be Beautiful deserves a vote!

This album has really withstood the test of time huh? Listening to it right now and it’s so good. Also a good document on where alt rock and the music industry was at the end of the 90’s, huge budget, glossy production and Love becoming finally a big, mainstream rockstar.

yeah it still sounds so warm & ~lush~

This month, my wife weighs in on "Awful." https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/2018/02/28/2-awful/

oh i love it!
it shows how much older i am than she is because i totally identified with this "a big sister who’s gone through the wringer"
i never really thought about how it would sound to someone younger than me, it's way more powerful than i gave it credit for!
when i was 16 i had "sixteen blue" :-/ everything drags and drags

Man I have to listen to this record again. I've been on a Nirvana kick lately but on balance Live Through This + Celebrity Skin is about as good as Nevermind + In Utero.

Musically I'd still give the edge to Nirvana but lyrically the decision goes to Hole, no question. Did Kurt ever write anything as profound or with as many bons mots as "Awful"? And there's more where that came from.

If I was to draw up a list of essential '90s American alternative rock albums, both of those albums would be no-brainers to include!

Next entry on the Celebrity Skin blog: Hit So Hard. https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/3-hit-so-hard/

OK, didn't quite make my April deadline for this, but here's Malibu: https://celebrityhole.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/4-malibu/.

<3

miles and miles of perfect posts!

the revive reminds me that I need to go back and finish that song by song project. I started a business in the middle of that and never went back to it.

I voted for Awful in this poll, I think I'd probably go Boys on the Radio now.

The production sounds kind of close to nevermind but a notch below

There’s some very weird vocal manipulation happening here and there

I never warmed to this record the way I did to the one before TBH

(I guess I prefer “punk” Hole to Fleetwood Mac Hole, or whatever)

Not sure if I voted at the time. Would’ve been “Malibu” for me.

I love the Runaways vibe of "Awful."

It wouldn't be my number one choice but I feel like "Hit So Hard" is weirdly underrated by virtue of being so obvious in its Corganisms (whereas "Malibu" feels sui generis even though it's not really). Melissa's sighing harmonies are A+. A perfect album pretty much.

Malibu is one of favorite songs on the 90s

jfc

*my favorite songs from the 90s

"Awful" one of mine.

Wrong thread but has anyone read the 33 and a 3rd book on Live Through This?

I did but I couldn't tell you any details unprompted.

Yes — it was fine but I didn’t learn anything.

I used to enjoy “Malibu” but now can only hear it as a corgan composition and thus ruined

Tho “get well soon/ at least don’t get/ any higher” is pretty good

If it helps unruin it: Love wrote 100% of the lyrics and Corgan and Eric added arrangements and helped land some ideas she already had in demoes.

*demos

This album would really deserve a deluxe edition with demos, etc

otm

been into "Use Once & Destroy" lately

Auf Der Mar backing vocals praise upthread very correct, maybe even underplays it.