nomination and discussion thread for possible top 100 electronic dance tracks of the 00s

ok, a quick look at "limiting cases" reveals the geometric mean system to be a surprisingly terrible idea. it seems to work pretty well at rewarding consistency when the spread is not crazy.

but consider the following situation

track A receives three first place votes. using a normal point system, the geometric mean comes out to 50 points, and multiplying up by three gives us 150 points. you get the same result using the geometric mean system.

track B receives three first place and one fiftieth-place vote. this should give track B a tiny "edge" on track A, but instead the geometric mean comes out to about 18.8 which gives it about 75 points overall!!

i think the geometric mean system would work well if we did the sort of thing where we narrowed it down to the same 50 finalists and then *everybody* ranked those same 50 tracks, but the way the poll is set up right now it doesn't make sense at all.

Junior Senior - move your body
Jimmy Edgar - i wanna be you std

whirlpool productions - from disco to disco (original extended version) http://youtu.be/Z3IF0MrX6tw
modjo - lady (hear me tonight) http://youtu.be/j3V3n7zccMI
chicken lips - he not in http://youtu.be/vILJkUeUrcw
henrik schwartz - leave my head alone brain http://youtu.be/V_tkl2-fFDc
zongamin - serious trouble http://youtu.be/ckNCFiXj8sI
frankie valli - beggin' (pilooski edit) http://youtu.be/xAg_okIYEtg
lovebirds - modern stalking http://youtu.be/BbSbVK21AVM

Plus Device – Body heat
Boy 8-Bit – The suspense is killing me
Siriusmo – nights off

Pilooski is not eligible.

uh, why not?

not saying i necessarily disagree, but i think you should be giving reasons why rather than just flatly stating it.

like i understand that on the surface it seems like, ok, it's just an edit of a 50s doowop track or whatever, but then again i see on your list you nominated a mark e track which is itself just an edit and joakims remix of camino del sol and floating points vacuum boogie, both of which seem much less "dancey" than the "beggin" remix

and besides, the "beggin" remix was a club smash and conceptually not so different from, say, a lot of moodymann tracks

sorry, i missed all the discussion upthread about disco edits etc

personally i think it makes sense to include disco edits because 1) sort of a defining feature and major trend of 00s dance and 2) can't figure out a logically consistent place to draw a line between filter/loop disco house and edits.

disco edits?? that def seems out IMO.

― the late great, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:31 PM (4 days ago)

Edits are certainly some kind of grey area, but I need to know, cause I'm definitely gonna vote for at least one 6th borough project/revenge track if I can.

That said, Durrr's poll policing = nagl.

LOL well my first instinct def not always right IMO

like theo's parliament ugly edit or his etta james don't really seem to convert those tracks into house or techno tracks, they more or less sound very true to the originals and just give djs more to work with, whereas (iirc, admit i haven't listened lately) the frankie valli thing makes it waaaaay more danceable and modern than the original

i dunno, i did also say upthread it was really sticky territory and that i didn't want to be the one making the decision!

i guess the people will have their say via their votes

whirlpool productions - from disco to disco (original extended version)

i think this is from 1998?

However let me add:

Dubtribe Sound System - Do It Now

actually it's from 96! but i think most people first heard jacques lu cont's remix which was indeed from 98.

my bad, there were several versions released in '06

it'll be my #1 regardless

Late great, it's not a matter of dancability. It's just that in Pilooski's Beggin you can still hear 80% of the original track. A different animal from Moodyman's works in which you can really hear the rework done. In a lesser extent the same can be said about tiger n woods, revenge, mark e, 6th borough, etc. Although I'm still not sure whether they're eligible or not. I'll leave it to you guys to decide.

Sascha Funke – Mango
Dominik Eulberg – Adler
Gui Boratto – Atol
Popnoname – The Movement
Booka Shade – Charlotte
Ratatat – Wildcat
Ulrich Schnauss – On My Own
Soulwax – NY Excuse

Im writing from my mobile and its a pain to doublecheck, terribly sorry. My last noms:

Mount Kimbie - Maybes
Mikkel Metal – Victimizer
Justus Köhncke -  Timecode
Boards of Canada – In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country
Pantha du Prince – Saturn Strobe
Fever Ray – When I Grow Up
Minilogue – The Girl from Botany Bay
John Tejada – The End of it All
Milanese – Caramel Cognac
Deepchord present Echospace – Empyrean

Sorry but BoC and fever ray can't be included. I think the others would agree

Blackstrobe - I'm A Man (Audion Donation Remix)

On my laptop, double and triple checked.

LCD Soundsystem - Tribulations (Tiga Remix)
Repair - Forgive & Forget (Richard Davis Remix)
The Modernist - Abi '81
Charlotte Gainsbourg - The Operation (Superpitcher Remix)
The Shortwave Set - Now Til 69 (Aeroplane Remix)

Sorry but BoC and fever ray can't be included. I think the others would agree

― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr)

Why not? Your list had Studio, Blondes and Lindstrom & Prins Thomas and they're even closer to pop/rock than Fever Ray (assuming its electronic-ness is your complaint).

Concerning BoC well it's definitely electronic and compared to some of the noms I've seen that are borderline ambient this one at least has a driving beat throughout. Maybe not apt for bodyrocking but you can definitely bob your head to it.

I mean honestly, I love both tracks but Studio is hardly electronic either and I'd even argue is dancefloor worthy if those are our parameters. Compare it to the Fever Ray track and tell me which one fits better the concept of electronica:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmYAl9GUMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-CpE73o2M

Herbert - Moving Like A Train (Smith N' Hack Remix)

<3

Eh? I can see the point for Fever Ray, but what's wrong with BoC?

I mean, we have plenty of not-really-clubby electronic music in the noms, how is BoC different from that?

This is exactly why I don't think the word "dance" should be in the poll. Anything with a steady beat is technically danceable, so there'll just be endless arguments whether this or that tune is "proper" dance.

For example, a lot 00s minimal techno is such that I couldn't imagine dancing to it, but I'm sure there are other people who think it is dance music.

xpost: My point. I mean let's take Ricardo Villalobos, I love him and think his tracks deserve to be in the top ranks in this poll but if you can imagine dancing to a tune like 'sieso' you might as well dance to BoC.

yeah it's like Tangerine Dream are electronic and you can nod to your head to them, just gonna check their 00s output

I didn't see anyone complaining about Pole.

as a curious bystander who won't be participating (but will probably follow the results for pointers), i'm also a little confused by what the submissions criteria might be.

i wonder if the the distinction is primarily functional, between music that's aimed explicitly at the dance floor and stuff that caters more to the non-dancing user. if so, then what's wrong with mostly electronic mainstream pop that works as dance music? you know, like madonna tracks or w/e. is that stuff excluded cuz it's too accessible and well-known, thus would soak up lurker points? or is the central presence of the unsampled human voice an automatic disqualifier?

also, is "electronic dance" music defined here in a negative sense, by the fact that it couldn't conceivably be described as anything else? (i.e., not pop, not rap, not indie, not rock, etc...)

I think Durr Durr Durr really wanted a "top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s" poll, and has been fighting a rearguard action ever since.

FWIW I was thinking of nominating the Stuart Price extended version of Madonna's Hung Up, but it's not on YouTube and I can't remember exactly how it goes. But anything which there's an equivalent to an "Extended Club Mix" is fair game tbh.

I'm generally leaning in favour of the disco edits being included and away from Fever Ray/BoC (at least in unremixed form), based on what I remember dancing to, but not hugely fussed.

I think we need to start over. I think maybe it would be clearest to call this top 100 bobbins/partisans tracks of the 00s.

But yeah, the thread now has dance in the title anyways. I won't be voting for BOC then.

"top 100 electronic dance tracks you'd be most likely to buy either from a vinyl record store or from beatport or juno, preferably limited to music made (or released by labels) in Germany or Detroit, of the 00s"

This would then limit the voter pool to a small subgroup of posters - basically the people who post to the "rolling dance" and "techno/house bobbins" threads - which is okay, I guess, if you want it like that... But maybe he should've then advertised the poll only on those threads, like the rap goons did/do on their yearly polls. Starting a general thread means others beyond that niche are gonna get interested, and hence we get into arguments like this.

(x-post with EDB)

I dunno, I think it seems pretty reasonable to open up a thread to all instead of imposing self-ghettoization.

So basically: if you want to do a poll that get more voters than the bobbins crew, you gonna have to accept that people's definition of "electronic dance" is wider than in those threads.

(x-post)

I don't really get why someone would vote for Boards of Canada in a poll like this.

If we base our picks on danceability then we might as well nominate kylie minogue or something and that would defeat the purpose of this poll. I mean, surely "EDM" is clear enough to you? BoC is IDM and fever ray is electronic(pop?) whatever. Wikipedia has a traditional definition of EDM which I quoted above. Let's follow it. That's the key word I guess, traditional. This might be a stretch but it's like Dylan and Springsteen don't belong in a punk songs list even though their lyrics are sometimes "punk." By the way good point Moka about Studio, Blondes and Pole. I wouldn't mind if they're deleted if they contradict what I was saying.

P.s. please bear my english.

i think tracks is the key word here, electronic dance tracks.

you are all maniacs.

If we base our picks on danceability then we might as well nominate kylie minogue or something and that would defeat the purpose of this poll. I mean, surely "EDM" is clear enough to you? BoC is IDM and fever ray is electronic(pop?) whatever. Wikipedia has a traditional definition of EDM which I quoted above. Let's follow it.

According to the definition you posted, several Kylie Minogue tracks would actually apply here. I don't really see how/why those tracks should be excluded; they were written to be danceable, they were/are played at dance clubs, the only non-electronic part in them are the vocals. So how are they different from other dance music with vocals that's been nominated here, like Basement Jaxx?

I got people to dance to Villalobos, but Boards of Canada or Pole would surely clear the floor or at least confuse kids dancing

i used to play black sweat by prince in my house sets but i'm not going to nominate it here