wtf at Hitchcock connection
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
what's your point?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
'turn us into machines' = 'penis transplant'
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k0jO2lJ8fQlooks hilarious?
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
That's what I thought the song was about at first, honestly. I knew it was from that movie, and I knew the plot of the movie.
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
maybe. i guess i'd have to see the movie? which i kind of... don't want to do.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
Also cf. "20th Century Man" - I think Ray is perhaps distrustful of modern technological society, though I wouldn't equate that with conservative politics.
― o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
At the time I first heard it, I had a friend who also was making this movie, so there must have been something in the airhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi4ywfamd3I
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
You are not required to actually watch that trailer btw, I think the title says it all. But it was pretty funny iirc.
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
I keep thinking about "Uncle Son" (re: Ray's politics):
Liberals dream of equal rights,Conservatives live in a world gone by,Socialists preach of a promised land,But old uncle son, was an ordinary man.Bless you uncle son,They won't forget you, when the revolution comes.Unionists tell you when to strike,Generals tell you when to fight,Preachers tell you wrong from right,They'll feed you when you're born,And use you all your life.
Bless you uncle son,They won't forget you, when the revolution comes.
Unionists tell you when to strike,Generals tell you when to fight,Preachers tell you wrong from right,They'll feed you when you're born,And use you all your life.
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
deeply cynical all the way around
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
xp I think "o_O" is the most accurate description of RD's politics.
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
the idea of there being an "ordinary man" who is somehow completely outside politics is kind of o_O itself. it's a really condescending conceit, like he imagines his "ordinary man" to be some kind of naïf.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
haha but the thing is ray davies is kinda a good example of an 'ordinary man who is somehow completely outside politics' who basically is some kind of naif w/ this stuff
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
heckuva songwriter, though, right?
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
it's weird that the first two kinks albums (and contemporaneous singles etc) are full of these optimistic songs (something better beginning, wait til the summer comes along, etc.) and then with "where have all the good times gone" there's this shift to rueful nostalgia that never goes away and just becomes deeper and more cynical.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's not true, really. he's just embodied a lot of contradictions and swung back and forth. he
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
― tylerw, Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's not true, really. he's just embodied a lot of contradictions and swung back and forth
that's like the epitome of your average 'not that political' person when politics comes up!
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
i like that on village green much of the nostalgia is more of an existential variety: we get old, we are forgotten and forget, it's sad. i wonder if that's why this is their most appealing album to a lot of folks? the sentiments seem relatively benign and universal? well, that, and the awesome songs.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
sounds about right. the "village" can stand in for a child's view of the world just as easily as a real place.
― rob, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Speaking of Nostalgia and Penis Transplants...
http://www.trashfiction.co.uk/hywel_bennett.jpg
39. "The Way Love Used To Be"Percy OST, 1971129 Points (6 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/xuGsXGPtBVQPain Teens cover (Houston Represent!): http://youtu.be/ELlKJDOX0b0
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for the extra youtube but a really condescending conceit, like he imagines his "ordinary man" to be some kind of naïf.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjoqpTqSR4
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/JCodling/thekinks.jpg
38. "20th Century Man"Muswell Hillbillies, 1971131 Points (7 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/mrmQB38aT5U"One From The Road" version: http://youtu.be/Z-usL5eBrdgRay solo on "Austin City Limits": http://youtu.be/XD14kdgQEe8
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
otm. again, these are largely awesome songs (to one degree or another) but there's definitely a way that davies's admirable empathy for the "common man" can bleed over into condescension.
haha eerily appropriate!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol at the eternal sunshine video for the way love used to be. man, that song is gorgeous, forgot about it for the poll. no one tell me it's about the welfare state!
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I should listen to the entirety of Percy then eh
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
percy is great, i even dig the "filler" instrumentals.
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
The technology part, no. This part, yeah, pretty much:
I was born in a welfare stateRuled by bureaucracyControlled by civil servantsAnd people dressed in greyGot no privacy, got no libertyCos the twentieth century peopleTook it all away from me.
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
their -- both ray and dave -- tonedeafness about women is also not particularly agl (love me til the sun shines, for another example in addition to juke box music)but whatever -- i have managed to not care about that much because i like the songs a lot
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
Little Miss Queen of Darkness is a notable exception though.
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
It's funny, fucked as those lines are, they're the most beautiful part of that song for me. In the 80s, though, they had an annoying habit of not playing huge parts of their older songs: they'd play "20th Century Man" without that bridge, and "Sleepwalker" was three verses and out, no bridge, no breakdown.
xp
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3288/3386311386_2118f79117_z.jpg
37. "Dedicated Follower of Fashion"Non-LP Single/The Kinks' Greatest Hits, 1966137 Points (7 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/KXaO3zgaf5QLive on TV in '73: http://youtu.be/xXpkt6revK0
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
Ray's first wife Raisa was Jewish iirc. I referred to that line in "When I Turn Off the Living Room Light" on the nominations thread cuz I've had arguments with another Jew about whether or not it's antisemitic (I am firmly in the NOT camp)
Was she? Not sure about that. Lithuanian certainly. What about Ray's comedy Jewish accent (obv. a dig at Larry Page) on "Top of the Pops" - "And now you can make some rrrreal money"
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
xps
Not defending RD's entire worldview, but I'm not sure complaints about the dour, prying bureaucracy of the welfare state are entirely off the mark. (And were a staple of '60s New Leftism anyway.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
I may be reading those lines through a present-day lens.
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
never been that nuts about dedicated follower actually! off topic a bit but has anyone ever read this book? it was my favorite as a kid, and reading it now to my daughter it strikes me as the children's book ray davies never wrote.
http://www.fictionalfood.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Giant-Jam-Sandwich-550x419.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
I love "Dedicated..." (second of my votes to place so far, I believe)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://andrewbales.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/party-line-2.jpg
36. "Party Line"Face To Face, 1966143 Points (7 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/2pSbUEdTyW8Independence Hall cover (H-Town Represent Again!): http://youtu.be/nDsorr3IxBU
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
I missed this entire poll!!!! Never liked "Party Line".
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
one of my faves that didn't quite fit in my 20. nice to see it here. i love the damn melody and energy on this one
― epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
OTM. I think it's possible to be distrustful of government without being a conservative - cf the many varieties of anarchism.
― o. nate, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
Was going to mention that RDD was a sorta Tory Anarchist upthread
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://derclown007.free.fr/clown_deathofaclown.jpg
35. "Death of A Clown"Dave Davies Solo Single/Something Else by The Kinks, 1967154 Points (8 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/nvYiUydIDAsTo The Bone version: http://youtu.be/ZVN0vw6UsOU
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Good song.
― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Party Line is a metaphor for the spread of communism
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Communist Party Line
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.memoire60-70.be/Images/Chronique_1966_1972/Kinks_Regina_01.jpg
34. "Fancy"Face To Face, 1966161 Points (9 Votes)
The Track: http://youtu.be/k_meqar1M3cLive '69: http://youtu.be/_EQ8x_-b8IE
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link