Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

Dave's right, but fuck the HoF anyway.

surprise induction for London After Midnight

clearly Collective Soul has to go in at some point

I really believe that GNR (Appetite lineup) belongs in there just as much as the Replacements. Every other hair metal band (Kix, Trixter, White Lion, Great White, Poison, Drivin'n'Cryin, Extreme, etc,etc.) isn't even in the same league and definitely don't belong. The only possible exception is Def Leppard, who probably shouldn't be lumped in with all that other crap.

One of the few '80s college rock bands I think is an eventual guarantee is dun-duh-DUHHHH The Cure.

somehow i think Depeche would get in before The Cure.

keyboards over guitars, i think not

I see your point, and I don't think Kix would have any reason to get in either, but did you have to put them next to Trixter?

xps

The Cure don't have keyboards?

Depeche Mode are probably more seen as only having keyboards, or at least prominently having them.

sd, are you really going to make me explain to you how depeche can easily be perceived as more of a keyboard band than the cure by the kind of people who decide these things

they should just do a "pander to DJP" year where they induct Bauhaus, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees and The Smiths

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

^based on some of the bands they've inducted, I'm not quite sure if being "great" is a prerequisite.

Bauhaus is never getting in, Siouxsie at least has gender tokenism on her side, Depeche after the cure, and The Smiths are kind of an curiosity for me. They've got plenty of subcultural immortality, but unlike the cure never had a pop moment stateside.

I could almost see the Smiths getting in on the basis of How Soon Is Now alone.

obviously "great" is a subjective term. Probably influence is going to be a bigger determining factor.

You're overanalyzing my post. What i really meant to say is that the Hall of Fame sucks balls, as do losers like Dave Marsh

the list of hitless-in-america, nerd cult inductees is pretty short and sets the bar high: Velvets, Ramones, Leonard Cohen, The Stooges, Tom Waits

losers like Dave Marsh

Who's to say he didn't also vote against marginal inductees like RHCP? And being a massive MC5 fan, he obviously doesn't have enough pull to get them into the HoF.

my list should either have laura nyro thrown in or leonard cohen taken out

Laura Nyro is in this year

Who's to say he didn't also vote against marginal inductees like RHCP? And being a massive MC5 fan, he obviously doesn't have enough pull to get them into the HoF.

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He's a putz

yeah, my point is either Nyro's another hitless-in-america nerd cult inductee or the writer of big hits for others, in which case cohen (and maybe waits) shouldn't be on my list either.

part of the reason I think the cure is a lock is a) they had some top 20 hits, b) they represent a whole wing of critically repsected music and c) they have been a successful arena rock band for decades

there are plenty of bands who've pulled off two of the three and been ignored, but can't think of many who hit all three

dave marsh otm for once

OTM, but still a putz.

you're not wrong about The Cure and if i'd known they were already nominated i would've been less skeptical when you brought them up. i just wonder how really enthusiastic the US rock establishment is about them -- did they ever get 4 stars or even a lead review in Rolling Stone for a new album?

yeah, Wish.

I think even Show got a lead review, split with the Prince best-of.

wish, huh? we'd all agree this is their finest hour, no?

haha god I can't remember shit from my last mid-term but a page from rolling stone in 1993 comes right to the surface

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/show-19931014

the art for this had the two love gods on fluffy clouds or something

do you think in 20 years time, kids will be able to recall lines from pfork's neon indian reviews. probably.

xpost -- yup, specifically remember that. I would though.

The Wish illustration was some kind of dark sunset thing, I think...

Kid Rock has a much higher likelihood of induction than Bizkit, i will say

Fyi this will be the day I finally have a stroke.

age-wise i think we'll all be in the stroke range

oh man actually he'll be eligible for induction the same year as green day

Grits Sandwiches For Breakfast will be 25 years old in three years! get ready!!!!

haha xpost

Though if Bob Seger isn't in the hall of fame yet...

oh wait he got in in 2004

if bob seger is in the HOF than anything's possible.

then

argh

hey

just thinking of the R'n'R Hall of fame in 2025*, though, yeesh

*i refuse to believe kid rock will spend less time twiddling his thumbs than bob seger did

do you think in 20 years time, kids will be able to recall lines from pfork's neon indian reviews. probably.

frankly, with the way the music industry and music audiences have fragmented in general, I'd be surprised if anyone remembers any bands from this era. it kind of seems to me that music simply can't have longevity anymore.

Man, Seger is popular here on ILM. He's one guy the Hall got right.