Electronic Artist You'd Most Like To Put In Your... Y'Know

Obviously there's a difference to "being exploited" and having one's sexuality serve as part of one's persona and music. Surely there's loads of counter examples, but I think it's straight up naive to say there isn't a disparity in representation in a male dominated market.

And I think it was Ronan who once made the very OTM point here that there's so much subliminal (homo)erotic hero worship placed on djs that when you finally get a high-end female djs it suddenly becomes acceptable to be "omg cassy i luv u ur so beautiful"

Wait sorry, he wrote: isn't half the problem the fact that most techno writers are single dudes used to ranting about how militant and dark whatever music is and then they're all "oh cassy ur musics are so beautiful i luv u"

In any case, the point still stands. And yeah, I think this thread has discussed the matter: Women in electronic/dance music

Well, yeah.

It's just like, I thought this was just a stupid parody thread that was gonna be me and the ILX gays going "Ben Curtis and Lindstrom, are they hott or what?" for about 10 jokey posts but instead we're all up in gender theory and presentation of electronic musicians and it's like, that's fine and there's a place for that, but I just want Thom Yorke in overly tight trousers, dancing like a fule.

Argh, sorry for kicking this off again. I guess another question is, Moka, do you actually fancy those women? Because I read this thread as for posting electronic artists you actually fancy, rather than posting half-naked DJs because they're 'supposed' to be sexy.

Anyway:

http://www.electronicbeats.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/teaser_2x2/img/mouse_on_mars.jpg

Completely agree on Nina Kraviz. She's really hot.

― Moka, Thursday, 12 April 2012 03:10 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ip4vYybJgic/TV7kvxDdpYI/AAAAAAAAARQ/I1YikHFgDo0/s1600/harald.jpg

***caveat: this is the best photo of this man***

That album cover gives me...feelings...so I was disappoint when I got the reissue from RVNG and it used a different pic.

anagram, that's one. Moka put up lots of images.

Now we're considering silvery German electronisch guys, what do you think about Riechmann?

http://images.plixid.com/imager/w_500/h_/e44254df37f7ac8793fff47cca7d0bd7.jpg

Wait, Mouse on Mars look like *THAT*?!?!?

I am suddenly starting to see the point of them!

Hahaha, MoM are H0TTTTTTT.

I can certainly see the ~appeal~ of Abb's and Emil's silvery teutonic electronischmensches, they are visually exciting and pleasing aesthetically, but I'm not getting the "want that, in the orifice of my choice" feeling.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/45429731/Doris+Norton++1983.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/28179467/Doris+Norton+doris.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/36950777/Doris%20Norton%20nortondoris70s1.jpg

Wow, I had no idea what Mouse On Mars looked like. At all. They should TOTALLY make more of a thing of their looks, they are BEAUTIFUL. Shame about their music, but, y'know. Holy shit, they are amazing looking.

But... um, not getting back into Feminist Theory again, but - this is a thing. That it's possible to think of five male electronic artists, and they can be faceless - like, I had no idea what MoM looked like, I still have no idea what Drexciya look like. That they have the freedom to be completely faceless.

Yet, if I did a thought experiment, of told us all to think of five female electronic artists off the tops of our heads, I bet we would have clear images of what they looked like. And although I'm sure that was the choice of each of those individual artists to use their face or bodies as part of their image, when you put it all together, you realise that choices don't get made in a vacuum. And that options exist for males that don't really exist in the same way for women.

But. Well. I'll shut up and look at the hotties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVM6iClGRpU

masonic boom = horniest fucker since pacino in carlito's way

Well, you know I love MoM as musicians as well as hotties, but I'll let it lie.

I'm afraid my attempt at the experiment may be an outlier, as out of the first five that came to mind, only two have strong images associated with them, and neither of those two are particularly sexualised. HOWEVER, I am a nerd, I feel a kinship to music based on interiority, and I have poor facial recognition.

LOL that's actually quite hilarious considering I am pretty much functionally asexual. I have almost zero interest in having sex with anyone any more, but I sure do like to look at pictures of attractive people.

x-post to Dwight.

a vote for BOTH numbers guys

i think there's consensus that jackmaster is hott

http://redbullmusicacademyradio.com/uploads/show_pics/jackmaster_456_004.jpg

but spencer is just ridiculously good looking imo

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/58969_432828467185_687352185_5725329_443916_n.jpg

I don't know what interiority means, because I'm uneducated and big words perplex me.

Partly, perhaps, with truly faceless records it's that (inherently sexist and much noted) tendency to attribute "anonymous" to men, even when the authors were female but unknown? Perhaps it's that in order to *gender* an artist in the first place, we have to see their face or body, so that's why I know what they look like? Because I discovered that they were female by... looking at them? I don't know.

I do have to admit that part of my irritation on this thread is kind of... argh, men colonising space intended for women. (Thought obviously that doesn't apply since Lex is one of the biggest posters of hott boys and Moka is one of the biggest posters of semi naked ladies?)

I do feel caution and I want to call out mine own heteronormativity in being disturbed by the highly gendered (and sometimes sexualised) presentation of the women. I mean, it's not like there aren't female electronic musicians that I *would* actually like to put (in the orifice of my choice.) But it's just that the qualities of my attractions to women are so different to the quality of my attractions to men.

That if I'm attracted to a woman, it's because she's SO AMAZING that she's triggered a state of sexual superfluidity in me. And the amazingness of her has little to do with what she looks like, it's about who she is, what she's like, and all of the individual things that make her so amazing. It's not like, "see nose, see hair,
see cheekbones, WANT" like it is with men.

That my attractions to men, 75% of it is purely what he looks like, and 25% of it is him not being a complete idiot. (Ok, with the single exception of Thom Yorke, because with him, it's not what he looks like. Even though I do think he's physically attractive, he's physically attractive *because* of the inherent ThomYorkeness of him. I fancy him *like* a woman. Which is completely strange and odd and unusual. And probably why it's persisted for so long, unlike crushes that fade when the dude gets an unfortunate haircut.)

How can I decide, from a picture of a lady, with her hanging breasts out, whether she's AMAZING or not? In fact, if she's willing and prepared to pitch herself as her sexuality first and her musicianship or intellect or whatever second, it's unlikely that I'll find her amazing. Which is shallow, perhaps. But. It's complicated.

Anyway, here is a funny picture of Thom Yorke being sexay. It is hilarious. But also hott.

http://i.imgur.com/OejsC.jpg

...and x-post but the second of Lex's dudes is more attractive than the first. But still not someone I would orificise. He's a bit too 90210.

I have no idea what Grimes looks like. Pretty sure I could think of other examples if I went through the CD collection.

oh i'm pretty sure that's true in your case nick

If you asked me to name female electronic musicians, the first folks I think of would be Daphne Oram, Delia Derbyshire, Eliane Radigue, Maryanne Amacher etc and then people like Laurel Halo, Rachel Evans aka Motion Sickness of Time Travel, what's-her-name aka Stella Om Source. No idea what a lot of these actually look like, think I'm probably an outlier too though. Still have a soft spot for Mira from Ladytron though.

arrggh, too many thoughs, am prising those keys off my keyboard with pliers.

Because I discovered that they were female by... looking at them? I don't know.

heh, i thought tama sumo was a dude for a while, embarrassingly - had only half-seen a ~moody~ promo shot of her, and her style is totes butch.

i agree with you re: options - i think women and gay men are much more conscious of themselves as a (potential?) sexual or visual object, and more ready to present themselves accordingly - which applies whether they're doing that in a conventional FHM style of getting their tits/chest out (as per moka's pictures upthread) or in a more "arty" fashion (björk's name came up as someone who that wouldn't apply to, but she's shown a lot of flesh in her videos).

idk where i was going with that except to say that from another angle it seems like an option that's closed off to male electronic musicians. can't imagine a single one of the male DJs posted in here doing an interview where they ended up saying, as nina kraviz does, "yeah sure people can look at my ass if they want".

tama sumo dude

I think I used interiority rather than 'intellectual' or 'abstract' there, due to the fact that the latter descriptions often have connotations of elitism, but I may have shot myself in the foot by doing so. I guess it's head-thinking music over rump-shaking music, and what that means for the visualisation of the acts creating such music. But even then, that's not really true for me all the time.

Also, I think your description of attraction to women is closer to my feeling of any attraction ever, really. Like, I wouldn't be transfixed by the h0ttness of MoM if I hadn't started out by loving their music.

Well, Bjork is someone who is such an interesting case, because although she doesn't do any of the standard "tits out" type sexualisation, she is STILL someone whose image, whose physical attractiveness, whose looks are a huge part of her whole act. But it's more like, she's made her body as much a work of art as her music. She's just taking her personal style and fashion choices as one more artform. I wouldn't say it was sexualised at all, but sexuality and looks are organic parts of the whole oeuvre.

I would LOVE for a male musician to go "sure, people can look at my ass if they want." It seems like there are actually male DJs or whatever who would totally say that, if anyone ever asked them, or if given a chance for that to be viewed as... OK for a man to want or enjoy.

x-post to Lex obv

we've gotten this far without
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FINvJrKyCUs/TNGmUI4T6wI/AAAAAAAADDg/WoHtTyUrDAM/s1600/Laurie+Spiegel+L.jpg

Also, I think your description of attraction to women is closer to my feeling of any attraction ever, really.

In terms of "gendering" sexuality, it's the more stereotypically "feminine" way of experiencing attraction.

Or, person-based attraction as it's called, if you de-gender-ify the world.

This is how "feminine coded" persons are supposed to experience attraction - be attracted to the person. And how "masculine coded" persons are supposed to experience attraction is primarily to the body or the gender.

And it's just to-may-toes to-mah-toes that it's got coded that way round. Like lots of "gender" stuff.

also Stellar Om Source OTM

http://gifttapes.com/FEB18/i/sos-2.jpg

mayaan nidam's pretty ngh
http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/profiles/maayannidam.jpg

aw, blurry Blevin Blectum

http://www.museumfire.com/graphics/blevin.jpg

Spiegel! Lovely Spiegel.

Thread needs more

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/73785048/Aphex+Twin+IMG00279.jpg

and more

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/74885444/Aphex+Twin+afx.jpg

granted, Laurie Spiegel is 42 years older than me & I don't know if I'm ready for that kind of age gap

It seems like there are actually male DJs or whatever who would totally say that, if anyone ever asked them, or if given a chance for that to be viewed as... OK for a man to want or enjoy.

yes that last part is what i was thinking of - ime when str8 dudes think of themselves as a sexual object it's often to do with their style, or swagger, or status, rather than their bodies or looks, and to be overly conscious of those codes "gay". (obv this isn't always true - am guessing it doesn't apply to mainstream actors for instance, where your looks are your career to an extent.)

but yeah ESP in a field like electronic music, which is almost a priori faceless - when almost every woman uses the visual presentation options she has (inc sexual, but across a fairly wide spectrum, and often in v creative ways) but almost every man doesn't, it actually seems like it limits the dudes.

I would LOVE for a male musician to go "sure, people can look at my ass if they want."

david lee roth assless chaps, never forget

http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/david-lee-roth-wine.jpg

david lee roth assless chaps, never remind me

just doing the Lord's work here

It must be so fucking awful and terrible to be a str8 dude and be constantly afraid of one's own body's latent eroticism for fear of being perceived as gay.

But you know, I'm sure the whole "ruling the world" thing kinda makes up for it. LOL.

But, just every now and then, when there is a dude who seems comfortable enough - and it's usually not the "stereotypically handsome" dudes, it's weird looking dudes like TY and Kevin from of Montreal - to do that whole "look at me! just fucken LOOK at me" joy of being gazed at thing.

And then that's really refreshing, in an odd way.

Wait, aren't e.g. boy bands full of guys like that?

Full of guys who have been carefully choreographed to behave like that.

Not that the two things are mutually exclusive but, y'know...

Argh, sorry for kicking this off again. I guess another question is, Moka, do you actually fancy those women? Because I read this thread as for posting electronic artists you actually fancy, rather than posting half-naked DJs because they're 'supposed' to be sexy.

― emil.y

You mean dj andrea and dj carla? Definitely not. I even find them gross. In retrospective it was idiotic of me to even post them here in the first place. First because I don't really find them sexy and second because they're house djs and it's apples and oranges as I stated upthread. They do well and they do well by sexploitation, not by their actual mixing abilities. With those two I completely agree with everyone, they're being used as objects, but at the same time I don't want to think it's exclusively sexism because you see half-naked men djs in that scene too.

The rest of the girls I posted I think are genuinely sexy, even Miss Nine.

I do have to admit that part of my irritation on this thread is kind of... argh, men colonising space intended for women. (Thought obviously that doesn't apply since Lex is one of the biggest posters of hott boys and Moka is one of the biggest posters of semi naked ladies?)

I do feel caution and I want to call out mine own heteronormativity in being disturbed by the highly gendered (and sometimes sexualised) presentation of the women. I mean, it's not like there aren't female electronic musicians that I *would* actually like to put (in the orifice of my choice.) But it's just that the qualities of my attractions to women are so different to the quality of my attractions to men.

1) what did you expect would happen on this thread

2) why is leching on ginger beards superior to leching on boobs out

3) are you seriously arguing that you have better reasons for fancying people than other people on this board do? why don't you go police the WS thread then?

4) in the future, you should start threads like this w/ "this space is intended for women and gay men, straight men please don't colonise"

But, you know, I just want less dudes talking about women's bodies and sexualities on this thread because you guys have the rest of the internet for doing that, and there are very few places that women and gay men get to discuss men's looks and sexuality in the same way without being punished or penalised for it, so can we just go back to enjoying what we were enjoying?

5) this is ridiculous

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gA7t63XypO8/TsQnXl0eeuI/AAAAAAAAAzg/EqCcILnMpMU/s1600/people-magazine-nov-28-2011-bradley-cooper-is-the-sexiest-man-alive.jpg

^^ IIRC they only talk about their skills and talents in this issue