Artists that have used samplers as a creative compositional tool

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re: solex, if solex doesn't care where the samples come from, if they are in fact chosen by random process, then it's totally compositional.

you have a lot of rules

Original poster long gone I see lol

this thread gets the
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amen

can mods change the thread title to "Nunez on Composition"?

if you care where the elements of your composition come from, then it isn't a composition. got it. i learn something new every day.

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lol hurting

Nunez is on some platonic/geirbot shit here

"if you care where the elements of your composition come from, then it isn't a composition."
you can still care, like if you made a recipe for a cake, you'd probably want some really nice, locally sourced samples for the ingredients, but the cake should still work with supermarket grocery samples.

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i think a bunch of rap guys did this already

like if you made a recipe for a cake, you'd probably want some really nice, locally sourced samples for the ingredients, but the cake should still work with supermarket grocery samples.

you have never baked a cake and I claim my $5

I think a bunch of posters said that already

does cornbread count?

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i think you're a buttface already

so to extend the baking metaphor, hip-hop is like a cake made out of cookie crisp or something. The little cookies are already baked!

btw jiffy still tastes pretty good next to the scratch-built cornbreads. just sayin.

orig poster wld have been better off leaving 'compositional' out of it altogether and saying 'Artists that have used samplers as an interesting tool in a non-groove-oriented way' or something.

or something indeed.

"hip-hop is like a cake made out of cookie crisp or something."

cookie crisp cake sounds amazing!
but dr dre would pay krusteaz to make generic cookie crisp to avoid paying the cookie crisp corporation $...

also he would market bass-heavy, overpriced spoons to eat this cake with.

EATS by Dr. Dre

you're not going to endear your way out of this one with humor

xp Or just "Nerdy white people that have used samplers"

humor won't save you now. we want to hear more about the wonders of musical composition.

haha x-post

i, for one, would like to know more about how editing isn't an element of composition.

not really editing so much as editorializing. are you recomposing a cake, or arranging it in such a way as to proclaim, "damn i really like this cake! A+"

have you ever actually listened to Fuck Tha Police or All in the Same Gang or or or I can't even

at least w/r/t to the 1000s of samples P.E. layered to oblivion, that seems pretty solidly compositional. you don't agree?

I get the impression no one subscribes to your arbitrary distinction between editing and composing

I mean the Bomb Squad's method of "composing" was to put five guys in a room, each on a different sampler/instrument, and then have them "edit" their parts together live

if only we could get back to talking about sampling and birdsong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKjOR-4964

i'm not sure what you're saying -- that the fact that they do it live doesn't make it compositional? i don't think that's necessarily true.

S- isn't going to come back is he? He just dropped this turd on us and ran away.

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that the fact that they do it live doesn't make it compositional?

that editing - in the Bomb Squad's case live, unscripted editing - is a fundamental act of composition

Sure that's why Teo Macero is as much a composer of early electric Miles as anyone

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/Sprad/Hildegard_Westerkamp_camel_hi-res.jpg

http://soundcloud.com/pedro-rocha/hildegard-westerkamp-cricket

the scenario re: bomb squad described seems to place more importance on the manipulation rather than the samples itself, which is in alignment with the composition/editorialization distinction. i'm not sure what the mechanical details of editing have to do with it.

John Kongos

Artists that have used samples as a compositional tool
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love that Kongos track! really probably is the first pop song built out of a loop isn't it? good thing it's a cool song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lm0N4YCkgk&feature=related

the scenario re: bomb squad described seems to place more importance on the manipulation rather than the samples itself,

no this is just wrong, it's the combination and interplay of the two that makes the material work. the samples chosen reflect the lyrical/political focus of the group. of COURSE a band focused on black power politics is going to sample James Brown, for example, even if, say, "The Grunt" is not an explicitly political song. But those samples, like the opening sax blare of "The Grunt", were all edited and recontextualized.

I'm gonna stop arguing about this now

It is cited in the Guinness Book of Records as being the first song to have used a sample,[citation needed] however, according to the sleeve note of the CD reissue of the Kongos album, it is actually a tape loop of African drumming, and the use of tape loops and instruments using prerecorded samples such as the Mellotron and Optigan were well established by this time.

This is wrong - see: Simon & Garfunkel's "Cecilia", which is also built around a percussion tape loop. I dunno if "El Condor Pasa" would be considered "sampling", since Simon just took an existing backing track and sang over it, can't remember if they added other stuff or not...

seems ridiculous to assert that the first "sample" predates the invention of actual samplers

you're ridiculous! get back to nature shakey

is it a composition if all the person does is stick a microphone into a pond? what if it sounds like it's a composition you wouldn't have heard otherwise? wow!

http://www.esnips.com/displayimage.php?album=1511125&pid=12071166

^^ don't think you've listened until you've hit about 5 minutes in, I've played this track for hours some nights