Tune-Yards
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
Amazing thread, the new levels one. "God, I seriously don't think i'll ever post here again. I get more useful responses out of users on average metal music boards- anbd that's saying a lot. Or maybe I'll just stick to more obscure shit in the future instead of bringing up some contentious topic that everyone has a pre-formulated opinion on." OK bye now.
― And I have been called "The Appetite" (DL), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
How 'Jingle Bells' by the Singing Dogs Changed Music Forever
― does Red Stripe work like poppers? (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hip-hop_DJ%27s_and_producers
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reich
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music
thanks so much for that link Abbott. So cool that the author of the Singing Dogs was a bird recordist! I even found an archive of some of his earliest recordings online here: http://sounds.bl.uk/Environment/Early-wildlife-recordings
Danish field recordist Carl Weismann was one of the pioneers of wildlife sound recording. His great passion was birds… and his great nemesis was dogs. Back in the 50’s, while attempting to recorded clear uninterrupted birdsong, he found his efforts continually hampered by the interjections of barking canines. As they would wouldn’t go away when the tape was rolling, he was forced to get around this by becoming a master at locating these barks on the recorded tape then cutting them out with a scalpel. This naturally left him with a whole library of snippets of recorded dog barks. Instead of throwing them out, Carl decided to have some fun with them.
http://eastereverywhere.tumblr.com/post/281678037/danish-field-recordist-carl-weismann-was-one-of
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
the person who started the thread should check out what is commonly referred to as "rap" music. lots of examples there.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
sampling in rap is generally more editorial than compositional. i don't think the ability to create narratives is the distinction, though, because anyone who has made a mixtape is creating a narrative, and that's almost a purely editorial/curatorial endeavor.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
lol what the fuck ever
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
rev otm
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
you guys don't think mixtapes tell a story?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
wtf this thread
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
*places self in same category as Primo because that 1996 post-rock cassette I made for my bro had really nice transitions on it*
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
Grandmaster FlashDJ QuikDust BrothersDr. Dre (I refer you to "We're All in the Same Gang" for "narrative")Prince PaulThe Bomb Squadetc etc
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
They fought the longest war in american history (x2)
In 1965 Vietnam seemed like just another foreign war, but it wasn't.It was different in many ways, as so were those that did the fighting.In World War II the average age of the combat soldier was 26...In Vietnam he was 19.In inininininin Vietnam he was 19.
(TV announcer's voice)The shooting and fighting of the past two weeks continued today25 miles west of SaigonI really wasn't sure what was going on (Vet's Voice)
Nininini Nineteen, 19, Ni-nineteen 1919,19,19,19
In Vietnam the combat soldier typically served a twelve month tour of duty butwas exposed to hostile fire almost everydayNinininininininininin 19 nininininninin 19
Hundreds of Thousands of men who saw heavy combat in Vietnam were arrestedsince dischargeTheir arrest rate is almost twice that of non-veterans of the same age.There are no accurate figures of how many of these men have been incarcerated. But, a Veterans Administration study concludes that the greater of Vetsexposure to combat could more likely affect his chances of being arrested orconvicted.
This is one legacy of the Vietnam War
(Singing Girls)All those who remember the warThey won't forget what they've seen..Destruction of men in their primewhose average was 19Dedededededede-DestructionDedededededede-DestructionWar, WarDededede-Destruction, wa-wa-War, wa-War, WarDedededededede-DestructionWar, War
After World War II the Men came home together on troop ships, but the VietnamVet often arrived home within 48 hours of jungle combatPerhaps the most dramatic difference between World War II and Vietnam wascoming home.. .none of them received a hero's welcomeNone of them received a heroes welcome, none of them, none of themNenene Nenene None of them, none of them, none of them (etc...)None of them received a hero's welcomeNone of them received a hero's welcome
According to a Veteran's Administration studyHalf of the Vietnam combat veterans suffered from what Psychiatrists callPost-Traumatic-Stress-DisorderMany vets complain of alienation, rage, or guiltSome succumb to suicidal thoughts Eight to Ten years after coming home almost eight-hundred-thousand men arestill fighting the Vietnam War
(Singing Girls)Dedededededede-Destruction
Nininininininininin Nineteen, 19, Ni-nineteen 1919,19,19,19Nininininininininin Nineteen, 19, Ni-nineteen 1919,19,19,19
(Soldiers Voice)When we came back it was different.. Everybody wants to know "How'd ithappened to those guys over there There's gotta be something wrong somewhereWe did what we had to doThere's gotta be something wrong somewherePeople wanted us to be ashamed of what it made usDad had no idea what he went to fight and he is nowAll we want to do is come homeAll we want to do is come homeWhat did we do it forAll we want to do is come homeWas it worth it?
― iglu ferrignu, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
what no one's said My Bloody Valentine yet lol
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
thread made me remember this, well done thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqVJ1UpPIjI
― zappi, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
"that 1996 post-rock cassette I made for my bro had really nice transitions on it*"
transitions speak more to technique than narrative. what was the tracklist on this cassette?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
really?
― i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
I mean
really
I didn't know there were people who still thought this way tbh
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
track 1. the bartman
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
track 2-9: The Ethel Merman Disco Album
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
would buy
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
and why no amen break? totes a creative compositional tool. and what is the etc? other breaks?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
you haven't heard etc etc's groundbreaking sampling of doorbell buzzers
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
i think using the amen break in full is more of an editorial choice than a compositional one. like picking out a piece of carrot cake at a buffet. to be compositional, you'd have to chop it beyond recognition, like mixing that carrot cake with froyo to make some kind of carrot cake smoothie.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
You mean like 99% of dnb tracks ever?
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
if the original artist couldn't successfully sue you for swiping a drum break because you've chopped it beyond all recognition, I'd say you're safely in the compositional zone.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ appealing to legal rulings
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
i prefer non-creative compositional tools
― iglu ferrignu, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
if there's anyone who knows about making aesthetic judgments, it's lawyers amirite
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
is this the part where we get to rehash the Englebert Humperdinck vs. Biz Markie
― Jilly Boel (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
ODB used to stand for old dirty barrister
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
oh man that old thread, jeezus, memory lane right there:
James may just give up at once. If you are looking for good and actually musically sophisticated hip-hop, then that is not going to happen. And the responses in this thread show why. Hip-hop are doomed to stay shit forever, because the hip-hop audience has got this sick idea that musical sophistication is "white" (=bad).
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, November 17, 2003 8:49 PM (8 years ago)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
"to be compositional, you'd have to chop it beyond recognition"
yeah, philip, uhhhhhh, never mind...
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
to be compositional, you'd have to chop it beyond recognition
But the Amen Break IS chopped; it's a tiny drum break that has been sped up, or slowed down, and recontextualized... and that, in my mind, is a creative compositional tool. I'm not understanding this whole thread.
― Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
still think this is one of nate's finest moments:
1) Original poster James picks misleading/provocative thread title and couches what would otherwise be a harmless inquiry about experimental rap in the dangerous area of "rap on the whole is stagnant and I want the newness".2) The usual suspects mock this. Most of us are all "ok, fine, pfhsgh" because we're familiar with these posters. ddrake initially chimes in with "instruments in rap /= progressive" and gets little if any real hostility.3) ddrake then mistakes "progressive/experimental" for "white", flings out a "you know that's what you really mean" equivalent ("admit it") and suddenly the tone of Typical ILM Prog-Rap Mockery gets a bit weird4) Ned sez "because instruments are white! oh wait" and ddrake fires back "U R NOT OF TEH FUNNIE"5) ddrake: "Seriously though, unless you actually know the hip hop history, which it sounds like you don't, I'd wait to listen to "prog" hip hop. " [emphasis mine]6) A couple more joke posts, a couple geniune attempts to steer the thread into actual topical coherence ("Dalek?"), J0hn being all "Ned OTM"7) dd: "Oh give me a break! Dilute, my friends, dilute!" Then he goes onto some snotty "prog is unfun" jibe.8) Jokes jokes jokes. The nate that is not me says "The twisted part is that some people actually like challenging their brains."9) dd: "Rush! Yes! Prog stupid! Also read it, motherfuckers!"10) not me nate: "But Braxton/Cornel/Toni Morrison..."11) Ned to o. nate: "ddrake will get mad at you now and claim you don't understand hip-hop. You are so burned. *cue ddrake: 'Ha ha, where is your sense of humor, dork, etc.'*"12) "you're out of your league, donnie."13) dd shortly later: "Blues People is a more incredible work than anything anyone on ILM has accomplished...a more important work as well. That I can't believe more of you haven't read." [here is where my arrogance alarm goes off.]14) Ned sums up the crux of the issue: "Remind me again how you've assumed you know what everyone here has read/listened to/thought again? I missed the proof of your omniscience here."15) Some stupid bullshit ensues16) Wooster is namedropped17) Accusations of privacy intrusions fly18) The thread officially becomes ridiculous19) Everyone tries to explain to ddrake why they're mad at him20) ddrake gets mad defensive21) I forgot to mention, blount has a field day22) OWNED23) A failed attempt to return to original discussion in the thread24) ddrake: "So "whitening" in the case in which I am using it refers to the values inherent in the musicians' musical ideas. White CULTURE rather than white PEOPLE."25) Oh no26) nickalicious and scott seward simmer things down somewhat27) Perry sums everything up neatly28) Numerous thread-locking requests go out29) Oh yeah, there's some stuff about Amiri Baraka in here too (c/o J0hn Darn1elle)30) Someone named "Big Boi" stomps in, says "prog rap is shit!" only in much wordier terms, resorts to name-dropping the Strokes, then eventually disappears31) "Ned and his ethugs" are mentioned32) People start backtracking in an attempt to recap this thread33) This goes on for a while34) There is a delightful Popeye intermission35) An ugly goulash of meta-spastic he-said-he-said "no no no I'M RIGHT I WIN" nonsense and arrogant written-in-stone declarations of what various genres TRULY AND REALLY ARE AND AREN'T, DAMN IT36) This actually goes on for a while37) 38) more pictures, which ddrake calls "unclever"39) see #3540) I post this41) I feel dirty
― nate detritus (natedetritus)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
dan, i wouldn't worry about it. its all crazytalk.
"But the Amen Break IS chopped; it's a tiny drum break that has been sped up, or slowed down, and recontextualized..."
those are hallmarks of editorials. composition tends to be less dependent on source material. if a song can retain its identity by removing the source material and applying the transformations to something else, that would also be another good test, though it really fails in the case where dr. dre goes out and hires session musicians to recreate the sample because he doesn't want to pay some licensing fee.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
where do you get this nonsense
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
everything is dependent on source material, whether you're composing for brass or a drum machine or on a laptop
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
"where do you get this nonsense"probably some lawrence lessig blog
"everything is dependent on source material, whether you're composing for brass or a drum machine or on a laptop"it's not dependent if you can swap the material without being destructive to the piece. in those cases the samples/instruments/etc are incidental.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
define destructive
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
i'm so confused right now. where is geir, by the way?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
destructive meaning the song falls apart. e.g. singing dogs could use any samples of dogs and it would probably still sound like singing dogs. there wasn't a james brown of dogs in there that really made the song shine.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
i'm beyond confused now. its like a spiral of confusion. the dogs really lost me.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno if singing dogs is a good example though, since it's really jingle bells. (though jingle bells remains jingle bells whether it's brass horns or dogs singing it)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
yes the liners are pretty much all the info i have.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
Intoxicated By Speed, the discs [from the 1994 edition]
The music on these two discs represents two different but related compositional strategies. The first compositional strategy is represented by the creation of the four solo tape works and the second strategy is the creation of the five works for soloist and tape.
The creation of the solo tape compositions involves the composition of several hundred simultaneous musical parts or lines on large manuscript paper. Each part or line is individually performed on an acoustic instrument and recorded. Once all several hundred parts have been individually recorded, they are digitally mixed together with usually no, or very little, signal processing or electronic effects. This working method allows for new and complex polyrhythmic and microtonal tuning relationships between parts that could never be performed by a live ensemble. This compositional technique also allows for unique orchestration and density possibilities that can be constantly transformed.
The exclusive use of acoustic instruments in these recordings could be partially explained by the fact that I regularly perform on the violin, guitar and cello. Therefore I hear a richness of human expression in acoustic instrumental performance which, to me, is largely absent in any other electroacoustic production method. Indeed the sound worlds found in these recordings could not be created by current electronic synthesis techniques, which are unable to produce a large palette of convincingly different timbres or sounds. The narrowness of this range of unique timbres prevents the type of orchestration strategies that can occur for acoustic sounds in which large numbers of sound sources can be combined and the individuality of each sound is somewhat maintained while there is a contribution to the overall sound. Likewise, this music could not be produced by current sampling techniques, which cannot create convincing long musical phrase structures which develop according to the compositional language of each piece.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
samples here for anyone interested:
http://www.electrocd.com/en/cat/imed_0317/
you can even sample the samples and make your own composition
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.electrocd.com/en/boutique/empreintesdigitales/
plus, empreintes digitales is just a rad label. they put out amazing stuff. and all their CDs now are dvd audio and they sound friggin' great. if you are into state of the art sound that is. if you are an earbud/ipod person than nevermind.
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
*drops acid*
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHj1jY36kGk
― Fook Lee (Matt P), Sunday, 15 April 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJoto35onao&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryBVFWd-pxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEn8Xl8Ve2U
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
No amen breaks etc.
etc.
― neutral sequence for flute (blank), Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link
Toshio Nakanishi is a hero of mine. Major Force records and his stuff as Tycoon Tosh completely influential in my life. before Major Force he had started the new wave band Plastics. in the early 80's he was doing stuff like this too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZooBeaSaGcY&feature=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJEGUzVjl4&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUajcyh-F6s&feature=related
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago) link
and his stuff as Melon is different from all that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WsXWBPzmI&feature=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZIAwC3ij-g&feature=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh5wEcLLI-w&feature=relmfu
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0b_9X0xFYs&feature=relmfu
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
scott u just redeemed the existence of this idiotic thread
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Saturday, 21 April 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno.... that stuff is prettttty close to "amen breaks etc" territory!
― windjammer voyage (blank), Sunday, 22 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
omg not an amen break! how uncreative
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
No mention of Public Enemy?
― X-101, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:20 (twelve years ago) link
4 independent metions of "the bomb squad" and one quote.walter ruttmann - weekend."artist" / "sampler"
― iglu ferrignu, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:22 (twelve years ago) link
mennnnnnnnnnntions.how would christian marclay fit in? i'm not sure i could be arsed to even begin thinking about it
― iglu ferrignu, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 10:23 (twelve years ago) link