Blur: Classic Or Dud

(what's going on?)

(oh i see its one of those things I don't get as i only
look at ilm and not other boards on ilx. okay kids carry on)

McNormal and Chips to thread please

1) DON'T. USE. THAT. NAME. You're getting a flag post for that, because I have asked about 50,000 times for people on this board not to use that name so at this point I'm not buying "Oh I didn't know" any more.

fucking blur thread

fwiw that Grauniad article is hugely worth reading, and shines an obvious light on 13 that tbh I'm ashamed I never picked up before. As an added bonus I didn't know Rocket Juice & the Moon (a) was a thing (b) had been released before seeing that article, so cheers Brutish.

i thought it was common knowledge him and justine had indulged in smack

~as had others in elastica hence the reason one of the band once clean discovered god ~

also, that article just confirmed why i was not overly keen on plastic beach.
i.e. not enough jamie h involvement for me.
this became all the more obvious once a real band was formed to tour the album.
however, as for the videos not working, i would disagree.
the video for the last gorillaz track (the one for the shoes), is a gorillaz trainspotter joy.

McNormal and Chips to thread please

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LOL!!

i thought it was common knowledge him and justine had indulged in smack

y but I didn't consider that 13 would be that explicitly about heroin

Justine F's take, from (yikes!) 10 years ago http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2002/mar/10/life1.lifemagazine4

ace, thanks for that

i recommend this blog where a dude reviews all the blur songs individually: http://blursongs.wordpress.com/

"Most people I know would probably rather spend time sick in bed, crying for England and listening to the shipping forecasts than being on the receiving end of Peggy Mitchell’s sexual fury, but Blur were always different."

he is not a v good writer but it is funny (imo)

I am naturally all over this - thanks roxy! I wondered if it was Veikko then saw the link to Veikko's Blur Page at the bottom. A classic lyric source in the late 90s!

im reading the last party atm. these people were fucked up. can't really hear joy in any of the music anymore tbh! feel sorriest for justine f. got the short end of every stick

oooh, never heard of that but it looks fascinating. I do have some idea of how poorly it all went for Justine, which is bullshit. They were the last wave to really be able to hide reality from their fans, weren't they? The internet has destroyed thosse rose coloured glasses!

ca. the great escape, justine's dad bought a big house for her and damon. justine was on tour for ages at the time, and damon lived in it alone for 6 months. when she came back he had furnished it with a bed, an ashtray and a tv on a box, and there were papers everywhere, nothing else, "not even a chair to sit on." weird life. how angry and ugly that album is.

justine also talks about how brett expected that when they graduated, she would get a job at an architecture firm and he would stay home and make food for her while she supported them both. that's when she dumped him tbh. then damon apparently pressured her to go along with an "open" relationship, ie he just kinda fucked everybody

also, sorry to harp on last party tidbits, but damon basically bossed justine into dating him, lol. he called her under the pretense of setting up a gig and then told her she was the one and they were to be married and she had "no choice in the matter." typical

They were the last wave to really be able to hide reality from their fans

so true. i never knew so much of this stuff. i feel like justine's been out of the game long enough that she's really open about it all. her interviews are really crushing

Hah! I'd never heard that. To date the purchases my husband have made (that I didn't suggest) were a TV and a couch, so that sounds about right. But woah @ the Brett/Damon control tactics! What the fuck, dudes.

Keep going, I love the anecdotres! You may need to transcribe this book as it is ~$40 Canadian on Amazon! (I might pick it up used.)

(I also like anecdotes..)

This is the most recent thing I read from J, which puts less of the blame on the men w/r/t her relationships - ie - "For a while, she was still living with Anderson while seeing Albarn. " but that might just be lazy writing
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2002/mar/10/life1.lifemagazine4

haha i got it from the music library at school.

justine says that when she wanted to break up with damon (after going to iceland where he had been staying and seeing that even comedy sketch shows on tv were referencing the fact that he was sleeping around w/ everyone[!!]), he was like "no, youre depressed. you want a baby and havent come to terms with that". she was in such a bad state she just kind of believed him for a period and just did a lot of heroin and slept a lot. horrible. when they finally did breakup she says she felt that damon still wanted a baby to have something to show for eight years otherwise wasted. makes me depressed!

alex is a well-known boor but all rumors i'd read said that damon was a flirt but had no sex drive whatsoever. a little surprising to read about what a shithead he was in that relationship. the media really made it look like she made a cuckold of him or something.

another anecdote: the first thing brett ever said to justine was "what's wrong with your mouth?" she really knew how to pick them

yeah i think she was still playing in suede briefly while seeing albarn, but not actually living with brett. at any rate i think it was her house, so he might have just been lagging in moving out, but im not sure.

justine also talks about how brett expected that when they graduated, she would get a job at an architecture firm and he would stay home and make food for her while she supported them both. that's when she dumped him tbh. then damon apparently pressured her to go along with an "open" relationship, ie he just kinda fucked everybody

I've never read this, I'll need to check it out. Tbh Brett has always struck me as a lazy person so this doesn't surprise me.

He wrote a certain song for a reason.

oh lordy! you can tell just by looking at him that Brett is a dick but Damon definitely had that broader appeal. As I've grown up I have met Damon types and know now what his type is *probably* like. But Justine was younger than I am now when she met all these people! We all have the loser boyfriends we picked when we were young and dumb, hers just happen to be famous. I am a bit surprised about the 'you just want a baby' BS though! Jesus.

Alex, however.. boor or not, I'd still hit it. And have him feed me cheese.

xp I don't recall hearing 'I'm A Horrible Git Who'll Expect You To Pay For Everything While I Do Eff All' - was probably a b-side.

See also Damon's 'Charmless Man'.

I tried to make a good joke out of a random Suede song title, but I was far too Lazy.

Hmmmm. What can I add? That J's (by all accounts terrifying) dad condescendingly referred to D as 'that popstar' and not ever by name? When she first started Elastica she was living in a flat in Kensington and her (dull) brother had the flat next door. At the time I remember her telling me that in comparison to Kensington, you could get a lot of house for your money in Notting Hill (the house they got was right by a huge bus stop on a busy road, and I think her dad was the guarantor but she made enough to pay for most of it from her publishing deal). Interviewed Brett last year (at his gorgeous house in the same area); he's turned into Mr Focused On Business but this maaaaaay have something to do with him not doing drugs and being married to a nutritionist now.

Justine was the one who put it around about D's low sex-drive; this was a public lie to put younger women off throwing themselves at her boyfriend. Damon definitely did want a kid and when he got with his current partner IIRC they were expecting in very short order. And it could've been worse (pop culturally) for J if she'd stuck with her very first boyfriend: GUY RITCHIE.

xpost -- You and me etc.

And it could've been worse (pop culturally) for J if she'd stuck with her very first boyfriend: GUY RITCHIE.

So glad I wasn't drinking anything as otherwise the spit-take would have covered the monitor (and rendered Murry/Djokovic rather wet).

he's turned into Mr Focused On Business but this maaaaaay have something to do with him not doing drugs and being married to a nutritionist now.

Mm, right, fitter, happier, etc.

Imagining Brett and current wife as Marshall and girlfriend number two from AbFab

why in hell do ya wanna read about pop stars? Aside from the music all I need to do is apprec how great they looked.

And it could've been worse (pop culturally) for J if she'd stuck with her very first boyfriend: GUY RITCHIE.

But then we'd have been spared Madonna in 'Swept Away'.

xp b-b-but I love reading about, say, Bowie keeping his piss in a refrigerator, or Brett throwing Bernard's guitars out of the second floor studio window into the street, or Damon saying how much he enjoys "hanging out in Africa" without realising how much of a massive wanker it makes him sound.

Me too, it's fun.

Suede's Love & Poison book is full of great anecdotes, especially from the Head Music period when Brett was addicted to crack and smack.

Here's a choice one:

"It was a quiet Saturday afternoon, certainly summer, I was in Suede's office stealing CDs when the phone rang. It was Brett desperate to know if there was £800 in cash in the safe because he didn't know how to use a bank card. Next thing I knew we were in a cab to West London on a mission of great importance and some secrecy. The cab pulled up outside Brett's flat and the curtain twitched and shortly an ordinary looking man in a baseball cap and shades climbed into the front seat. 'Alright mate,' he said. It was Brett in disguise. Within moments we were briefed on our mission and the cab drove some fifty yards down the street and pulled up outside a hi-fi shop. David went in with cash and it was my job to lift the smallest stereo known to man into the boot of the cab. To this day I don't think anyone saw us. Fifty yards later, Brett was unloading the stereo. 'I'd invite you guys in,' he lied, 'but the flat's a bit of a mess.' 'Is that it?' asked the taxi driver, agog. 'Yes,' I replied. It was a day I'll never forget."

Suzy! queen of amazing tidbits

And as far as reading abt popstars- honestly I want to read about everything

Suede's Love & Poison book is full of great anecdotes, especially from the Head Music period when Brett was addicted to crack and smack.

Yes, it is an interesting book! Brett comes off as a real piece of work.

I like the bit where he's so high during a vocal take, he bursts into Cyndi Lauper's 'Time After Time'.

omg

Haha.

Revived a Suede thread for this but for those missed it:

http://thequietus.com/articles/09986-suede-recording-new-album

And yeah, that's a great book. Met David shortly after it was soft-released via the ICA, he's a character.

I remember the biog getting middling reviews, though that may have stemmed from the whole "oh for fuck's sake Suede, just go away" era. I thought it was interesting in that it was clearly written by a fan, a fan club 'president' no less, who doesn't hold back the punches from the Head Music era onwards. Was the updated 2nd edition worth seeking out?