― don, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Quit glaring at Ian Riese-Moraine! He's mentally fraught! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― JoB (JoB), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― don, Friday, 18 March 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ashandeej, Friday, 18 March 2005 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Electronic and Experimental Music by Thom Holmesalso; Wireless Imagination (d kahn / g whitehead)Paul Griffiths - A Concise History of Avant-Garde MusicPaul Griffiths - Modern Music And BeyondCurtis RoadsWilliam Duckworth : Talking MusicCage: Silence / A Year From MondayCage / Feldman: ConversationsJames Tenney : Meta / HodosKarlheinz Stockhausen - Stockhausen on Music (Compiled by R Maconie)Sound By Artists (ed. Dan Lander)Chris Cutler - File Under PopularAttali - NoiseRussolo - The Art of Noises (get a hold of a copy any way you can)Trevor Wishart - On Sonic ArtDouglas Kahn - Noise Water Meat
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)
i think the attali book is lousy at book length—it's a good short polemic idea bulked out to a contradictory nonsense schema—and wireless imagination is patchy (which is a pity, cz it's a great idea for an essay collection)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 March 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 18 March 2005 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)
The Elvis Guralnick books - again, you don't have to care about the subject matter to enjoy them (personally, I was so-so on Elvis before readin' 'em, am now an unabashed fan), and the second one is one hell of a car wreck: the descent starts like twenty pages into it, and by the end of the book you can't even feel sorry for the guy anymore, you just wonder why he hasn't kicked the bucket already.
"Where Did Our Love Go?" by Nelson George has some nice anecdotes, and is probably the best book on Motown around, tho to be frank I didn't learn all that much from it.
"The Heart Of Rock & Soul" seconded, and throw in the "New Book Of Rock Lists" too, if only for the sheer joy of reading the sentence "Tragedy The Intelligent Hoodlum Lists..." over and over again (not that book of rock jokes, tho, that was awful.) And also "Fortunate Son: The Best Of Dave Marsh", great stuff on Elvis, Muddy Waters, latino rock, etc.
I remember reading Maryiln Manson's "The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell" in my early teens and being surprised by how good it was (I'd always loathed the guy's music.) Dunno if it holds up.
"Sweet Soul Music", hell yeah.
I've read the entirety of Christgau's consumer guide online, and there's some great, great stuff there. So the books are recommended, too.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Friday, 18 March 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)
yay I've been wanting to read that one for a while!
adding to my prev post here leroi jones 'blues people' which I just finished this morning: most gd bks on music accept that they aren't just abt notes and chords.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 March 2005 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)
You mean it's not long enough? I loved the book. Should re-read it...
I also loved the Lexicon Devil (bio on Darby Crash) though it's certainly not essential...
― nathalie barefoot in the head (stevie nixed), Friday, 18 March 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jason Toon, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)
the ONLY thing wrong with JMC's line is that he somewhat slightly seems to accept the assumption that the social dimension—the "dance"—isn’t also always part of all music in the West (though he does this in the context of getting ppl to see/hear/look for the fuller sense of the meaning of music): taking his insights abt Africa (Ghana, to be more accurate) and applying them everywhere else is revelatory
Most of it is a charming telling of him learning African drumming in Ghana
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)
And I hope someone someday undertakes a lengthy Sabbath bio.
― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, the massive "The Creation Records Story: My Magpie Eyes are Hungry for the Prize" by David Cavanagh would certainly be interesting to anyone with a major Creation bent. If you aren't down for hundreds of pages detailing the exploits of Biff Bang Pow and The Orange Juice, skip to the midsection for a compelling account of the Loveless miracle/ catastrophe.
― Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 18 March 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)
The book works as both:
a) an academic (in content, but not in style) explanation of sampling in recorded music (Beadle devotes a chapter each to the careers of PWEI and The KLF),
and
b) an extended thinkpiece on pop music, dance music, and the populism that bridges both.
It's aged fairly well, having been written in 1993, and Beadle's tone is that of scholarly but uncondescending curiousity - a curious granddad who enjoys this newfangled music and wished to legitimize it to his peers. I've almost worn my copy out.
As noted, "The Dark Stuff" and both Lester Bangs anthologies are both totally essential reading.
― Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)
milton, has "modern music and beyond" been updated at all?:
yes, there's a new version that tackles the 80's/90's and it's not bad, for him Boulez is the culmination so his take on post-1970 is a bit weird. but good. the early to mid 20th century sections remain the best, brought me up to speed on a lot of the basics very quickly. he writes clearly, you don't need to agree with him to figure out which pieces you're interested in actually hearing.
the second edition of Electronic and Experimental Music by Thom Holmes -- I was blown away by that, a fantastic overview. A great reference book. Though again, rocky once it gets to the 90's and interesting work starts to happen in pop.
Audio Culture is more of an epiphany-prompter, the number of ideas per page in that book... most of the featured texts are from the musicians. not the musicologists.
Talking Music by Duckworth -- Duckworth himself is an excellent composer. Probably the best collection of interviews with those composers I've ever read, and organized like a narrative of late 20th century musical development, especially the Young > Riley > Reich > Glass section -- those four nearly read like a soap opera
and the Cage books are just gifts. especially Silence & A Year From Monday, & Kostelanetz' 'John Cage: An Anthology' (xeroxed hand on cover) & the Feldman conversations (which are online at Internet Archive but Lovely Music is still selling copies of the book)
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 18 March 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)
But on the other hand, the Clash book by their roadie, A Riot of Our Own, is a hilarious good read...
(I also enjoyed Last Gang In Town but that feels like another one for obsessive fans like myself.)
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 19 March 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 19 March 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer: damn cheapskate satanists (latebloomer), Saturday, 19 March 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Phil Dokes (sunny), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 19 March 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)
What really popped my eyes open was him and Mr Cooke having to sing naked in front of some southern sheriffs. Sad...very sad...
― Phil Dokes (sunny), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)
I never knew of this East book! I must have it.
Cavanagh's Creation book seconded. Also, Chris Heath's books on the Pet Shop Boys and Marc Almond's two autobiographical volumes.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― don, Saturday, 19 March 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 19 March 2005 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)
if the new Carducci reissue has another rewrite/edit that reins it in a bit then it could be pretty great
TOTALLY AVOID the reissue of A Riot Of Our Own, all the Ray Lowry illustrations taht are at least 40% of the reason for purchase have been rendered completely illegible by editorial or pre-press morons, and look like faxes of blown-up thumbnails of low-res .gifs of the pictures as they appeared in the original
― kit, Saturday, 19 March 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)
Sniffin Glue Anthology (don't know what the book is called; I have an original truncated version entitled The Bible); Brit punk fanzine '70s, interviews and rants, earnest, petulant, funny.Francis J. Child ed. English and Scottish Popular Ballads (I've got an abridged version of which I've read 1/20th).The Portable Ring Lardner and/or Shut Up, He Explained, for his radio reviews c. 1930. The first rock critic, proto-Meltzer.Gene Fowler Schnozzola, bio of Jimmy Durante, haven't read this yet, but the title and blurb are promising: "The lusty saga of an uninhibited era - from the Coney Island honky tonks, through the wild and roaring twenties, to the fabulous role of clown prince of video."Tom Wolfe The Electric Kool-Aid Acid TestCraig MacGregor, ed. Bob Dylan: A Retrospective, lots of early reviews, articles, interviews, love and hate, back when Dylan was the Eminem of "rock."Charlie Gillett The Sound of the CityBill C. Malone Country Music USAJohn Morthland The Best of Country MusicRichard Meltzer A Whore Just Like the RestJohn Storm Roberts Black Music of Two WorldsJohn Storm Roberts The Latin TingeMartin Williams The Jazz TraditionPeter van der Merwe Origin of the Popular Style, a great book of music technical theory (like, what the musicians actually played) on the sources of 20th century popular music
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)
Very hard to put down.
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)
The best music book I've ever read was a list of the 100 "best" rock singles by Paul Williams, the one who ran rock zines in the '60's, but it seems to be long out of print. I disagree with his taste in many places, but the prose itself is awesome.
― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― dh, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jeff K (jeff k), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)
(if that hasn't been mentioned yet)
― steve hise, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)
"New Orleans Rhythm and Blues" by John Broven is another great one, you'll learn everything you need to know about all those guys and then some.
As I did discuss somewhere else, Castro's book on bossa nova is magnificent. From the same publisher/editor, it's a long 'un but it's equally magnificient, Sublette's "Cuba and Its Music" is just essential, as a history of the island and as a much-needed corrective to the conventional "origins of rock and roll" theory you always hear...
I've been re-reading Alma Guillemoprieto's "Samba" recently too--fine reportage on the samba schools in Brazil. I'm a fan of her work.
Whatever it's called these days--"Rock from the Beginning" or "Awopbopaloobop"--by Nik Cohn, is still to my mind the single best and most stylish book ever written on rock up until 1968 or so.
David Henderson's "Voodoo Child of the Aquarian Age" (may have a new title by now, I have an old edition) is still probably the best book on Jimi Hendrix.
I second the above recommends on Guralnick, and yeah, his Elvis bios, while evenhanded and thorough, are actually...a bit boring somehow...something missing there...altho the bit on EP recording with Chips Moman is one of the best pieces of writing on Presley I know.
Steve Calt's book on Skip James, now OP and probably impossible to find, is certainly worth tracking down...as is his book on Charley Patton. Wrong-headed and cranky as they can be, they certainly are a nice alternative look at blooze culture and its discontents. (Steve's a friend of mine, and ailing these days, so help him out...)
Rob Bowman's book on Stax is exhaustive and very well done.
I also recommend, for lite reading that's of very high quality (and I generally don't like police/crime/novels), anything by George Pelecanos, who writes about D.C. Great fiction in the crime/police vein, very hip, uses music as reference/culture extremely well. I mean, "King Suckerman" is one of the few novels I know that references, intelligently, both "Clear Spot" and Big Star's "Radio City," so of course I like.
My fave Tosches is "Hellfire," his Jerry Lee bio, and second is "Unsung Heroes of Rock 'n' Roll." I think he lost the beam a bit with "Where Dead Voices Gather," ostensibly a book about Emmett Miller but really a Tosches-ean screed agin the modren world or something...nice bits but self-indulgent in a bad way.
And of course Meltzer's "Aesthetics of Rock" and his Da Capo reader "Whore Just Like the Rest," which is some of my favorite stuff ever. The man sets a bad example and I'm glad of it.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― ldg, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― jackl (jackl), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)
I'd think either of their final two albums would make a dynamite edition in the 33 1/3 series
― PB, Monday, 27 March 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)
― Hatch (Hatch), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:09 (twenty years ago)
I was skeptical about the premise of "The Heebie-Jeebies at CBGB's: A Secret History of Jewish Punk" by Steven Lee Beeber, but the book won me over. Interesting stuff on NY and the Jewish cultural backgrounds of Joey Ramone, Tommy Ramone, Lenny Kaye, Chris Stein, Richard Hell, Alan Vega, manager Danny Fields, Lou Reed, members of the Dictators, Jonathan Richman, Hilly Kristal, various photographers, and others (plus some Jews from elsewhere including Malcolm McClaren). Not in total agreement with his descriptions of punk elsewhere, but otherwise pretty impressive. I'd think some of the childhood background stuff would be interesting to any fan of the music even if they're not a member of the Jewish tribe.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)
I meant his descriptions of "punk elsewhere from NY"
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Zhn1Q8Y%2BL._AA240_.jpg ^^^ that realness
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:59 (eighteen years ago)
“Brian Coleman’s writing is a lot like the albums he covers: direct, uproarious and more than six-fifths genius.” – Jeff Chang, author of Can’t Stop Won’t Stop and editor of Total Chaos
“Check the Technique is a truly essential rap history… epic, enthralling and long-overdue…” – Ronin Ro, author of Raising Hell and Have Gun Will Travel
“That realness“ – BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, internet personality
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 04:24 (eighteen years ago)
It is a pretty awesome book. Raw he gives it to you, plenty of trivia.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 04:29 (eighteen years ago)
Relevant answer here if you can access it: https://greilmarcus.substack.com/p/ask-greil-may-10-2024
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 June 2026 21:57 (one week ago)
unperson, are they gonna have kindle version?
― EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 2 June 2026 21:58 (one week ago)
Relevant answer here if you can access it: https://greilmarcus.substack.com/p/ask-greil-may-10-2024🕸
― Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 June 2026 22:08 (one week ago)
Now thinking AF is like if James Lipton made a film about actors.
― Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 June 2026 22:10 (one week ago)
I assume so; it's the same publisher that did my 2022 book Ugly Beauty, and there was an ebook edition of that.
― wipes chooser (unperson), Tuesday, 2 June 2026 22:25 (one week ago)
Scans about right. Again and again in the book he'll come across a wary interview subject, burned by bad Rolling Stone coverage - Allman Brothers, Jimmy Page - and his pitch is always "I'm a fan, and I'm going to write a piece for the fans!" He doesn't show much self-awareness that between stuff like that and ingratiating himself to labels and publicists by writing press kits, he's essentially a shill, though the way he writes about this non-strategy he seems to think he's some clever master of band psychology or something. On the plus side, *because* he is considered a safe-space, he *is* able to get people like Allman, Bowie or Page on the record where others couldn't, and safe-space or not people like that and others still had interesting things to say.
That's the thing about interviewing people. If you have a good interview subject, that's 90% of it right there. The other 10% is providing good (or even adequate) prompts and staying out of the way. That's what makes someone like Rick Beato a good interviewer. He often talks to relatively inside-baseball folks with stories to tell, asks them pretty straight-forward questions, then just let's them talk. When he does land a pretty big get, his questions are run of the mill enough that their charisma and experience answering similar questions takes over and they know just what to say.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 13:36 (one week ago)
I do like Almost Famous a lot, without thinking for a second it's accurate and not a little self-serving. "You are home" to punctuate the "Tiny Dancer" sequence is one of my favourite movie moments this century.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 14:36 (one week ago)
I haven't seen the movie for ages, but I guess I don't dread seeing it again, either. If his book is at all accurate, there are a few scenes in there that are more or less direct from experience.
What a cliff that guy ran off, an impressive run from his teens til he hit a dramatic midlife crisis around age 50, when his output suddenly sucked punchline-bad, he got divorced from a literal rock star, his "Almost Famous" musical flopped, he had a kid with a girlfriend 25 years his junior ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:37 (one week ago)
if you can stomach the overwhelming earnestness, Springsteen's autobiography is a pretty good listen/read. it reads like a human wrote it, which is seemingly of increasing importance
― dread_billy (boneskull), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 21:03 (one week ago)
Was thinking I had already posted on here about this, but not seeing it, so here's repost from Rolling Country:
Rosanne's autbio, Composed, takes you right through her life, from childhood w formidable parents, psychology w/o psychobabble---then her father astutely gets her a job w CBS Records in London, where she starts making her own connections---goes right though what was happening during the recording of each album, also a lot about the experience of performing live, medical stuff, also kid by kid, just whatever, w/o overcrowding. (Not a huge amount about her private life w Rodney, and it may not mention their coke years at all, come to think of it.) Says her current/long-time hub, John Leventhal, has encouraged her to write a follow-up, Decomposed, so maybe someday---
― dow, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 21:30 (one week ago)
What a cliff that guy ran off
I'll say. I actually had mixed feelings about his films in general. As Marcus and others suggested of his print work, there's a shallowness and eagerness to please in his film work. Say Anything is probably the only one I'd go back to, partly because his shortcomings play better with those characters in that context, but there's no denying he was on a roll in terms of professional success. Almost Famous isn't great either, but it's still one of his better films and it finally landed him an Oscar. I had zero knowledge of anything happening after that, so when I looked him up to see what was going on 15 or 20 years after the fact, I was taken aback. One horrendous misfire after another (casting Emma Stone as an Asian???) and most startling of all was the divorce and what indeed read like a terrible midlife crisis.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 21:55 (one week ago)
Aloha is a truly deranged film. Not good at all, but a car crash worth watching. At one point a character refers to Facebook as a place that "helps teens meet and date". There's a Barbarella poster in a kid's room. Lots to ponder.
― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 4 June 2026 09:45 (six days ago)
You know what's really strange? I've never met anyone, ever, that actually read the book "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." And in fact, it seems to be totally out of print, going for hundreds of dollars on eBay and the like. Considering it's the basis for an iconic film and written by a name author, that's pretty odd. Here's a brief interview I found with a (non) explanation:
The first time Cameron Crowe based a movie on a true story was nearly 30 years ago, when he wrote a screenplay from his first book, Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story. The Amy Heckerling-directed film became a sleeper hit and a cult classic. At 22, Crowe had spent a year as a senior at Clairemont High School in suburban San Diego, chronicling the experiences of his “classmates.” Typical of Crowe, the book played both funny and sweet. But if you want to read that book, be prepared to open your wallet: Fast Times has been out of print since the early ’80s, and copies can be found on eBay and other sites at prices ranging from $125 to $345. And Crowe tells THR he likes it that way:Why hasn’t Fast Times been republished?It’s the one thing that I still have the rights to, and I like that there’s one thing that’s not readily available. I like knowing that if you really want it, you can find it, but nobody’s pushing it in your face. I have been approached about republishing, but I haven’t done it. I like it too much as a kind of bootleg.Are you surprised about the prices?I like those prices.How do you feel about the book now?I love the book. It’s one of my favorite things that I’ve ever written. The book opens the door where all the stuff I learned as a journalist can be applied to a non-celebrity and it’s just as interesting. You can interview a kid sitting in his room, and it’s more interesting than Rod Stewart. It very much opened a door to being a screenwriter because it let you know that it was a level playing field, story-wise.
Why hasn’t Fast Times been republished?
It’s the one thing that I still have the rights to, and I like that there’s one thing that’s not readily available. I like knowing that if you really want it, you can find it, but nobody’s pushing it in your face. I have been approached about republishing, but I haven’t done it. I like it too much as a kind of bootleg.
Are you surprised about the prices?
I like those prices.
How do you feel about the book now?
I love the book. It’s one of my favorite things that I’ve ever written. The book opens the door where all the stuff I learned as a journalist can be applied to a non-celebrity and it’s just as interesting. You can interview a kid sitting in his room, and it’s more interesting than Rod Stewart. It very much opened a door to being a screenwriter because it let you know that it was a level playing field, story-wise.
My theory? The book is full of shit and/or totally fabricated, and he doesn't want to open himself up to that charge. I found this old AV Club piece on the book:
https://www.avclub.com/book-vs-film-fast-times-at-ridgemont-high-1798214433
One conspicuous bit from Tasha's take:
Crowe did something authentically brave and interesting and unique, and he had a chance to file a detailed report on an extraordinary experience that virtually no one else is likely to have. Instead, he gave us a clunky, choppy novel billed as "a true story," though it contains any number of things that are hard to take as fact.Without the intro, there'd be no reason to believe that Fast Times is based on real life instead of being pure clumsy fiction.
Without the intro, there'd be no reason to believe that Fast Times is based on real life instead of being pure clumsy fiction.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 June 2026 21:37 (six days ago)
I watched some of Almost famous to see Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lester Bangs. Was just like Wolfman Jack counselling Robbie Benson about zits in that ancient Clearasil commercial.
― dow, Thursday, 4 June 2026 22:12 (six days ago)
"I like that there’s one thing that’s not readily available"
"I love the book. It’s one of my favorite things that I’ve ever written."
I would believe this from Neil Young but otherwise it sounds like absolute horseshit
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 4 June 2026 22:13 (six days ago)
Lol dow at Wolfman Jack/Robbie Benson Clearasil commercial. Zits be not proud!
― Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 June 2026 00:25 (five days ago)
One conspicuous bit from Tasha's take:Bonus points for Harlan Ellison reference.
― Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 5 June 2026 00:30 (five days ago)