The Bug - Pressure

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I could probably burn it for you, if you catch me in a good mood.

It's mostly early 70s fusion, mixed up with a bit of 23 Skidoo, early Kraftwerk (when they were The Organization), Pop Group etc. I wouldn't necessarily say that every track is "good," but it has a lot of cool obscure stuff and the general sound hasn't really been recycled yet... even tho it does have all the hip names. I dunno, haven't listened to it in ages, but I always liked it. It's out there.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, it probably has all been recycled by every laptop electronica guy who ever listened to Bitches Brew, but the original stuff was so much messier that it doesn't sound like just an influence on something contemporary... it still sounds weirdly other.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

sorry jess, that was mean. i know it wasn't your fault.

bens right. the thing i didn't like about jazz sats was the seemingly incongruous more recent stuff martin worked in.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

I was actually supremely disappointed w/ Pressure. In my mind, sure it's an indie/art-school take on Dancehall, but fails utterly. I agree with Anna, draining everything from the genre, adding nothing with industrial/noise.

Some of the slow jams just sound like b-sides from Mezzanine, but not as good...

Michael Dieter, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

Jess I think you're getting me confused w/someone else on this thread! My write-up above was supposed to be on-the-fence not hostile and I'm agreeing with big chunks of what the pro-Bug people are saying - "Some of the rhythms are well tough"; "in a way it's the creepier, bad-dreamier spoken tracks that work best, making for a most unpleasant atmosphere"; "Well it's clearly inspired by dancehall but it's not a 'dancehall record' - which is fine and dandy, why crawl up to 'authenticity' all the time?".

I think you're right in that maybe I'm just bored with 'electronic noise' and you're not! It's not a bad record, better than I expected, but I think Anna's inference is right and there's something drearily macho about it - more so even than 'proper' dancehall which is the most ridiculously hypermacho music there is most of the time.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link

well i still reckon it's got nothing to do with dancehall but i'm going to judge it alongside that genre coz it martin sets himself up for this. as for "selective logic", isn't that what musical opinion/critcism is all about. i see this like i see a lot of digidub - pallid, white, blokey and a bit rubbish - and if it's the first exposure some of its listeners are getting to dancehall, then that's a shocking state of affairs. so just for the sake of this thread i'm revising my earlier opinion and saying it's actually pretty shite (i don't really think this btw, but i really feel i should). i can appreciate it in and of itself, as i said earlier, but think that in the context of its influences, then it's pretty misguided and dull and i'd rather be listening to vybz cartel

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 09:02 (twenty years ago) link

when i saw him live it was pretty annoying because he just drowned out all the vocalists, who were there alongside him, out in loads of treble-y scree and that bloody siren noise he seems to use in all his projects (well, techno animal at least), the exact same one, and then there would just be a period of high freq. mess, with everything else cut out, riddim, bass etc.

so, it was sort of good, but not that good really.

havent heard the record though yet.

i don't like the idea of him though (for most of the reasons mentioned upthread). whatever that means. that makes me not like it and dismiss it out of hand. good idea, huh.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:35 (twenty years ago) link

Fancy a bunch of rock critics saying this record is "too macho, production too one-dimentional", as they proceed to re-bury their heads back up dizee rascal's one syllable rhymin', handclappin' ass. You're all a buncha proto-trendoids.

another opinion, Thursday, 17 July 2003 06:17 (twenty years ago) link

Um but the people here who like the Bug most (Jess, Dave S) also like the Dizzee album most.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:26 (twenty years ago) link

proto-trendoids! cool!

if martin thought to use a handclap just once it would be more significant than all his entire recorded output to date

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:10 (twenty years ago) link

if i'm one of the ones who likes him most here, then it doesn't really say much for the popularity of this record as i'm not a huge fan of it! it's ok...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

i'm an enormous fan of the album, as well as the split single with /rupture. and i love the dizzee album, on fairly different terms, but yes, what i probably dig about both is the severity. i'm not as concerned with questions of authenticity. i'm not going to go too deeply into it at the moment but i don't have a problem with martin's approach -- he's listening to dancehall, thinking "yes but what if it sounded like death metal" (ok, so that's a bit glib) and pulling out and emphasizing those particular threads. not so different from what mu-ziq does concerning jungle and now UKG, playing with a particular generic trope, but applying a bit of willful/wishful revisionism.

and i can't be a proto-trendoid, because i'm always behind the curve.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

i am also triumphantly uncool!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

i dont think martin's stuff is esp severe, it's just habitual bedroom moshing. which is prob to do with authenticity, yes, considering what dizz does is also so much bedroom angst...

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 17 July 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

maybe it just comes down to the fact that phil and i both love metal.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

thank you jess. was that a pre-NW passion? i've wondered if my metal yearnings come from growing up in portland.

btw, like i blogged yesterday, anyone who loves doomy sludge must own the toadliquor CD on southern lord, reprising their 1994 record. oh my.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

metal-core ruined my life

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
i'm finally hearing this for the first time and it's blowing me away like say nice up the dance never could, but maybe that comparison isn't a proper one. i really enjoy the way the micro-elements contrast against the general boomtastic-ness and pressure is indeed the perfect title for this record. crystalline. what other records are there like this?

disco stu (disco stu), Sunday, 26 October 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't like the album at all, but saw The Bug live last week (w/Luomo the same night & venue, of whom I don't have nothing new to say that wasn't said by Manuel on the Luomo live thread few weeks ago) and... it was fantastic!!!

I didn't expect to enjoy myself but I did, his schtick makes so much more sense boomin' live. He also played a DJ set for the warm up, incl. Fuck U Sign, Pass That Dutch and Flat Beat! I danced my ass (and a coupla other things too) off, and if you get the chance to catch him live I say definitely go for it. Even if ur a hater, like I was.

Mind Taker, Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i bet this would be rather physical played loud on a good system.

man if there were handclaps on this...nice nice nice

disco stu (disco stu), Sunday, 26 October 2003 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

that cutty ranks collabo is fiiiiiiiiiiiierce

mohammed abba (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

album is Ok, but played live, Pressure sounds like a fucking best thing in the planet!

quadro, Sunday, 26 October 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

is there a thread on the new album? ive heard bits and pieces and it sounds amazing.

Michael B, Monday, 3 November 2008 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Trust me - nothing begins at home.

Nothing has transpired (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 November 2008 10:54 (fifteen years ago) link

I almost started a thread and then didn't. The album is awesome.

HOOS HOOS HOOS on the autosteen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 3 November 2008 14:18 (fifteen years ago) link

worse worse worse
shotta in your face make you send fi di nurse
nurse nurse nurse
doctor cyan't fix yuh send fi di hearse
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lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

TOP SHOTTA!
tell dem idiot bwoy the warrior queen a TOP SHOTTA!

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Did Tom ever get anything right?

Do they mean us? They surely do! It's Ray Conniff! (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 3 November 2008 15:16 (fifteen years ago) link

i didn't think pressure was particularly amazing at the time, i loved the bug singles (esp w/warrior queen) but it seemed a bit monotonous over a whole album. might dig it out to listen w/new ears, but i'm pretty sure that in terms of the album format (if not nec the bug's skillz), london zoo (which i've started rinsing again w/the advent of freezing weather) is a gigantic and awesome leap fwd.

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

warrior queen remains one of the most thrilling live MCs i have ever seen btw. fierce and righteous and never less than 100% captivating

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

oh god i just remembered where i first saw her! NYE 04/05, house party where she and the bug were playing, i got v drunk and babbled to her for ages afterwards about how great she was :(

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link

TO ALL THEM FUCKING PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME, LOOK PON THE STATE OF YOUR HOME.

The album is immense. The argument at the top of this thread seems kind of quaint now as London Zoo slots in perfectly alongside grime and dubstep. I actually wish there was more grime that sounded as DEEP as the Flo Dan tracks on here. I'm glad he found a new home for his verse on Bounce as well.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link

matt have u heard plastician/skepta 'intensive snare'??? u absolutely must!

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:27 (fifteen years ago) link

that's akin to saying that any techno with compression on the 909 (ie any techno made outside detroit) isn't "real" techno.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 20:39 (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Thank goodness no-one on ILM would be that dumb

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 November 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link

ARE YOU STUPID IN THE NOSE, BASSLINE IN THE NOSTRIL

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

boy better know this
my name's joseph
my name's skepta
my name's junior
see in school i used to hit boys with a ruler
the english teacher tried to make me hoover
but i'm a bad boy from nigeria
not st lucia
joseph junior adenuga
big lips african hooter
go on then go on then!!

lex pretend, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:30 (fifteen years ago) link

"mostly untried British MCs"

Oh Tom.

Alex in SF, Monday, 3 November 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

He did put an '(I think)' just before that, dude.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah you're right. Back in the days before the internet it would have been hard to check that sort of thing.

Alex in SF, Monday, 3 November 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

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BIG HOOS aka the someduder (The Reverend), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:18 (fifteen years ago) link

ah, dubstepforum.

what U cry 4 (jim), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link


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