otm, it's def not sitting at my desk/driving in my car music
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
This could never be as drab as Benoit and Sergio or Art Dept
― lex pretend, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
not saying much
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
Benoit and Sergio occasionally nod in the direction of a tune. This doesn't
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 19 March 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
b&s backlash make me sad :-(
― flopson, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Goddam those soulless house music producers with their lack of tunes!
― Tuomas, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
i think this stuff is quite tepid
like the best track on here is a smoothed out version of tantakatan which itself was like a smoothed out version of a radio slave track
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
― Tuomas, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, what the hell are these fools talking about? this record is all about sounds for me (including her voice, which i love). i'm not coming into it looking for pop songs.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
― flopson, Monday, March 19, 2012 4:17 PM Bookmark
backlash implies that we liked them in the first place, which NO. FUCK THAT.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link
I knew i'd be brought up on that throwaway tunes comment, but i don't find it this particularly atmospheric or anything either. Seems like this and Voices From The Lake are the two most acclaimed dance albums recently and i find both of them incredibly boring.
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
Rev I think yr crusade against hipster druggy house doesn't really apply to anything B&S have done in the past 12 months.
They've basically turned into a 2012 equivalent of Justus Kohncke.
I can understand disliking "Where The Freaks Have No Name" et. al. on your stated grounds, of course.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
one man's "boring" is another man's "low key late night music"
maybe ppl are just confused cause it's on rekids? doesn't remind me of anything i've ever heard from that label
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i could see that. rekids stuff is usually more overtly banging for sure.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
yea, and her RA podcast, other singles etc were a lot different too.
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
― The Reverend, Monday, March 19, 2012 9:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
we did. i was there. i was one of them.
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
i can understand not being wowed by the kraviz album cuz it really is very understated, but it works really well at creating mood. there are too many actively annoying elements to benoit & sergio
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 07:32 (twelve years ago) link
ya idk if i'd call it a 'grower' but it definitely helps to be in the right mood. which, it turns out, i usually am.
couldn't imagine hearing this stuff 'out', it's so intimate and understated. i could imagine someone hating this record if they were sitting around anxiously waiting for something to happen or sweep them off their feet... this isn't 'just' wallpaper but it works really well in the right setting/with the right expectations... i think i gravitate towards records like this tho maybe others don't. also maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
i love b&s but this really is nothing like b&s, can we have that debate elsewhere?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
ha, you too?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
yea this is my second pdx winter and i'm trying to embrace it rather than continuing to hold out for whenever the hell it's supposed to be sunny again
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
It's very effective at creating mood but that mood is really boring, this kind of druggy blankness. I'm not a massive deep house fan at the best of times but I actively leave rooms in clubs when it gets like this, there's nothing to really hook into here. I don't really get why we're talking about Benoit & Sergio here at all.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
why have actual descriptive comparisons when we can have tribalist statements of allegiance and enmity.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
ftr my tribe's position on Nina Kraviz is "indifferent," we just showed up to defend our Tribal Deities Benoit & Sergio's honour
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
the mood reads as warm intimacy to me
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw, the only track on this i'd actually want to hear (or play) out is "ghetto kraviz"
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
i also just really like how loose and breathable her stuff is. as far as the album goes it's not a "major" album, it's casual, but with a very defined vision, which feels kind of rare in this protooled-within-an-inch-of-its-life world which shows every sign of worsening
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
I hardly think that's a major issue in the genre context in which she's working.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
maybe not, i have no idea!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
i guess the reason it occurs to me is that the SOUNDS she uses are very, very nice, pristine almost, but it's in service to loose and almost ramshackle songs, which is a neat combination
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
(though "songs" is maybe overstating what they are..)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
There are a hell of a lot of dance music albums like that though. It's practically traditional at this point.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i am just way out of it.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
No it's good news. If you like this kind of thing then there a lot of great albums for you to check out. Start with Kalabrese!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Also I stand by my Dani Siciliano reference above.
i love kalabrese! they/he seems more jam-packed and maximalist to me though. not skeletal and spare like this.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
some of those dance albums with pristine sounds and ramshackle songs ALSO have ramshackle voices, be warned (iirc i thought kalabrese was one of these)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yes I would expect you to have some issues with Kalabrese, lex. Also Noze.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
yup nôze have always repelled me slightly apart from "remember love". just...disgusting vocals
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
there's also something just a little bit evil and twisted about nina kraviz that i'm responding to. like she is going to drag you down into her dark world if you let her. looseness + great sounds + evil = turkish delight for tracer hand
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
yea i think dani siciliano is a fair comparison, maybe luomo too. it's not mining any strikingly new territories but honestly it doesn't matter because it nails the vibe it's going for perfectly - and i don't get 'druggy blankness' at all. again, i can't imagine hearing this in a club, but maybe it codes that way in that setting.
i'm actually glad that it wasn't produced by someone like matthew herbert tho, it wouldn't have the same warmth. tbh i think siciliano, kalabrese and noze actually accomplish something a lot more twisted than this record. nina gets a little 'evil' as tracer mentioned but if you're looking for disjointed alien sex jamz you have come to the wrong place
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i meant psychologically twisted rather than anything specifically in the sonics
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
more of that indie tech house
2012 landfill indie house
Big up the ghost of DFA
Blondes/Talabot/Kraviz
Your time
― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
yea we've already talked about how none of those things have anything to do with dfa
lol @ 'landfill' in the context of three albums as they compare to the glut of post-dubstep blah (talk about BORING) put out in the first few months of 2012. and talabot might be a bit indie but don't you like sun araw and shit?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
so what (it isn't, but so what anyway)
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with some of those qualifiers but still sorta fail to see how dfa has anything to do w/it (maybe ndf/benoit & sergio at a stretch)
plus, dfa is great! i love all of those qualifiers except "tech house", but i guess that term can be stretched to mean p much whatever you'd like
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
when i think 'tech house' i think of maetrik or smthg and then i want to fall asleep
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
I keep wondering why I have such an urge to post negatIve comments on this thread, but then I realise that's because I've listened to the incredibly mundane music linked in the youtubes. Come on, it's Beatport fodder super-clean quasi deep "t-shirt house" with a marketing angle. Lee Foss mentioned above is probably about right for the sort of music you'd have in the same set.
I don't want to be a hater, but I can't help myself with this one.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
Hope that wasn't too harsh :/ I'm a little dunk
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
would have never guessed this would be something so many people would take such a strong disliking to :/
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
tracked down a decently priced copy of her album for REKIDS on cd.cannot wait to hear it.
― mark e, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
Is this the record from 2012 that's self titled
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
yup.saw it on cd in my local hmv in the week of release and thought i'd get it at some point.never saw the cd edition again except for £££ via amazon.however, someone who used to work for the label is on discogs and has a clearly has a couple of copies up for grabs : https://www.discogs.com/Nina-Kraviz-Nina-Kraviz/master/414521
― mark e, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
Absolute classic record. Enjoy!
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
also from the same bloke, got the radioslave/rekids/mixmag covermount ordered as i never got the mag.and ... shhhhh, but a hopefully few extra edits and stuff that are not allowed to be advertised on discogscannot wait.
― mark e, Sunday, 31 December 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
ok, package arrived yesterday.
the standard NK cd album with skinny promo (perfect for the car !)along with a copy of mixmag with NK on the cover and a covermount cd of a mixtape of unreleased extras aka 'Mister Jones'.(alongside a few REKIDS extras, but hey i dont want to brag)blood and sand, it's a good album.
in other news : just found out today that Radio Slave had a proper artist album out recently ! clearly i am no longer on the ball, as i had no idea.
― mark e, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
and weirdly, NK is this months cover of Mixmag, with 2 cover variations available.
― mark e, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
ty for reminding me about this album
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
it's a cool album, i like it
― brimstead, Friday, 5 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
canceled
https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/44688
― djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah that was all garbagey yesterday.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link
lol I saw the initial instagram post and scrolled right on past
I absolutely don't want to delve into that conversation, hoo boy
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
mh otm.
― mark e, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
having attended a panel talk that included Frankie from Discwoman a couple weeks ago that touched on similar issues... I would absolutely not advise Nina to do the "well, actually.." stuff and slowly back away
(it was a really good panel)
― mh, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
It would appear 99% of Nina Kraviz fans (sadly) can't see that she did or said anything wrong.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
things that make you go hm
― djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
Trying to imagine getting Russians whites on board w the concept of complicity in global anti blackness is kind of a mindfuck, it’s already an ordeal in actual former slave colonies and original colonizer states
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/
ash lauryn weighs in
― djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
Yeah, her response is embarrassing but it's also clear there's a total disconnect and she just doesn't get it (and also isn't particularly interested in getting it, which is the main thing driving people crazy I think)
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
i think ash lauryn nails it more than anyone else is ever likely to.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link