teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

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my review: it's 100% awesome and essential

some crap (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

my review: oh, i'm not the only fourth-grader who played car wars and read omni magazine in 1985? why didn't i make a career of it?

the late great, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

also is this tumblr supposed to stand if for some sort of post-internet embrace of everything?

if so why is it all samey hipster shit?

the late great, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link

there are no h1psters anymore

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

but i thought you might like the panther moderns 12"/also have some insights for us

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

tumblr is completely stupid but the tunes man

some crap (electricsound), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

first impressions: if i was choosing a wm gibson based band name i'd choose GOTHS VS CASUALS (from count zero)

the panthers are kind of douchey to anybody but a teenager - lupus yonderboy's adaptive camo hoodie excepted - though it would be funny to have a band called LARRY AND THE SOFTHEADS (maybe we'd call a track "mollys got a rider")

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link

actually on second thought GOTHICKS VS KASUALS just like the book spells it

see this is why i call it hipster shit, it all depends on sly references and knowing winks

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

what i like about ital's "hive mind" is that it seems like a personal vision, not just a gloss or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory

clearly that's a misreading of the situation but i do think ital creates the impression effectively

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

ive never read neuromancer idk about naming yr ep after something in it

i dont think it depends on sly references and knowing winks at all, i think thats totally wrong, i dont trust your idea of what constitutes a personal vision, i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining, i believe in vibes, ok well w/e

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think there is such a thing as a personal vision, that's why i said misreading

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link

did you conclude this through empirical evidence or what

meh, people that follow or engage with art/culture can sometimes make general statements under an assumption that others who do the same will have some idea of what they're getting at... I mean culture is messy (too much to really be all 'rational' about it) but there are developments and patterns, that if you're following, you might be able to discuss with others… (which was the case in a recent metal thread on the early 90s - it was mostly just based on our experiences). I mean if you disagree that people are a little more eclectic now, okay, but I'm kind of surprised you'd argue with that

Chris S, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining

sounds deep but what does it mean

a lot of people I know use frame when they wan to say "say"

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

why would you be surprised?

being eclectic has been a thing with hipsters since the 1920s

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

also if you think things are more eclectic now maybe it's because dance pop rap and rock largely sound much more similar now than in the 80s

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

also you're all free to say as much non-falsifiable stuff as you want but i hope you don't begrudge me if i point it out as such

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link

seems to me the argument runs like this

a. i know a lot of people that listen to kanye, daft punk and best coast!

b. the Internet was invented when they were born.

QED

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

hm, yeah there has always been eclecticism with cosmopolitan arty types, but I still think it's much more blatantly wide-ranging now. maybe that's an illusion as old new material becomes more familiar, thus the new sources drawn from always seem more remote and unlikely, but I don't think it's just that... going to have to consider that one a bit. :/

Chris S, Thursday, 8 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

still think you're way off on this, and a lot of it is on experience, but still. you're more likely to find a metal fan that's willing to also listen to rap or indie (or an indie kid that likes dance or hip hop, etc) than you used to. there were eclectic hippies, or postpunkers, or whatever, but they were the exception whereas it's the rule now

Chris S, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

really?

i remember in the liner notes to pearl jam's first album they were sitting on a couch in front of a huge ICE CUBE wall hanging, anthrax working with public enemy, etc.

i think the internet had been invented by then, though.

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

sounds deep but what does it mean

it means that everyone lives their lives btw the worlds that might be and the world that is along the lines of if

idk that a lot of times maybe all the time things just end up refracted and half-remembered amalgamations of other things like every track on the new ital record for you was a memory of some other track from somewhere else and that the ideas we have in our heads are just other ppls ideas that we picked up and polished, that we cant escape them but we can put a border made of those things around our own gloss or dream or fever

like idk whats the value in being mystic or purposefully vague when addressing the weight of cultural memory and the expectations of half-experiences except to allow you to be make inarticulate gestures at all of this...

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

also since you are here what is the name of the titan or leviathan that lives in the ocean that people of nessus are at war with? this is really bothering me...

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

when you say this stuff like "you're more likely to find ..." i also want to ask WHERE?

like you have this big sample set that you can pull from that isn't just your personal experience. i have a personal experience too, and it doesn't really square with a lot of what's being said on this thread, at least not in a way that you can point at and say OH THE INTERNET DID THAT

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

lamp i think you mean ABAIA, EREBUS, ARIOCH or SCYLLA though i'm not sure which

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

what i like about ital's "hive mind" is that it seems like a personal vision, not just a gloss or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory

why is this a dichotomy though? I think a lot of "personal visions" are basically a closs or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory, I'm not sure how I would go about distinguishing the two really. maybe the failing is with me.

it means that everyone lives their lives btw the worlds that might be and the world that is along the lines of if

and all that was, all that will be and all that is may yet fall under the shadow of h1psters.

Tim F, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

holy fuck this thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

no tim, i agree, that's why i said a misreading, i'm not going to fall into auteur fallacy or something like that

also lamp i understand what you're saying, it's all a continuum, etc

but as a fan of electronic music, i know that when i put on the ital album i'm like "WTF is this" and even though i can come up w/ refractions and amalgamations ("chemical brothers remixed by mark e") of things i have heard it is still something i have never really heard before, because maybe it only existed in his head.

whereas steve moore, i see a track called MOORE/MAJEURE and yep, it sounds like tangerine dream circa force majeure. i see an album under a photo of a yacht, and yep, it sounds like yacht rock. i see a photo that looks like the cover of an 80s sci-fi movie and yep, the track sounds like a john carpenter track, because what he's making is maybe a lot closer to something that is already out there.

this is what i was getting at w/r/t "personal vision" vs "cultural reference"

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

it seems to me that ital is doing a lot more amalgamating and refracting than someone like steve moore, who is basically just spitting back up the john carpenter / 80s scifi cheese vibe undigested

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

Oh okay that all makes sense.

Tim F, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

I guess how I would tend to define this issue is that communities of taste maybe aren't as constraining as they used to be. This is about what you might call the social structure of taste rather than how open-minded people are (which I'm sceptical about trying to measure).

The fluidity of artist-identity on the web - where setting up an alter ego means making a second soundcloud page - means it's a lot easier to, say, set up a sideline in a second or even third genre, than when you had to work through labels and live venues and so on.

All of which comes down to the idea of investment, and whether our past habits of making a virtue of that necessity were a good thing or a bad thing. I suspect they were both really.

What I don't think changes - or at least doesn't necessarily change - is how interesting or unique or thoughtful or etc. the resulting musical product is. A half-hearted note for note tribute to one genre and a half-hearted mish-mash of various reference points are both half-hearted.

Tim F, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

"making a virtue of necessity" sounds to me like a good way of thinking about the idea of "post-internet" whateverr

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

a lot of the artists were always pretty open-minded, late great, but I think fandom is more open-minded now. although you're bringing up plenty of good exceptions. and I mean, you could say babyboomers in the 60s were pretty eclectic in their influences: rock n roll, folk, blues, rnb, country, and then even moreso going into psychedelia and prog.

I generally go with the assumption that art will always be a product of the various forces around it, so of course the Net is going to play a large part in shaping what's out there now, and not just wrt eclecticism. but interpretting it all is def a matter of projecting a bit - resonant projections maybe, but not anything for which one could always pull up the satisfying evidence you would want. I don't like to approach art too rationally, interpretation is more a vaguely poetic extension of the larger something it's all a part of (that is, I don't have much faith in the rational as far as exploring art goes, I don't think you can be reductive about it)

Chris S, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

lamp i think you mean ABAIA, EREBUS, ARIOCH or SCYLLA though i'm not sure which

scylla was the one i was thinking of - i cant really remember much about them but i knew their names were references to other things although i thought more obscured than that

and all that was, all that will be and all that is may yet fall under the shadow of h1psters.

that darkness @ noon

fwiw i think the primtive neural pathways release (now on cassette!) is really good, even as much as its a pastiche or 'unsophisticated' in the way that it lifts and winks. like i mean the actual songs are emotionally appealing to me, i like their 'vibe', the way they unfold as familiar bits unexperienced yesterdays

peebutt fartbottom (Lamp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i don't mean to be shitting all over this stuff, there is a lot of sweet eye candy on that steve moore tumblr and i own and enjoy the com truise album so what am i on my high horse for anyway

the late great, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

What I don't think changes - or at least doesn't necessarily change - is how interesting or unique or thoughtful or etc. the resulting musical product is. A half-hearted note for note tribute to one genre and a half-hearted mish-mash of various reference points are both half-hearted.

otm

Chris S, Thursday, 8 March 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

new 100% silk joint, perhaps a bit undigested compared to ital but vibes for days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QKWDPZTUU

akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Monday, 12 March 2012 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

sfv acid 12" probably my fave 100% silk thing after magic touch

some crap (electricsound), Monday, 12 March 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link

Fort Romeau album is fantastic, a real step up in the sound quality stakes and more than capable of hammering a sound system

straightola, Monday, 12 March 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

100 Percent Silk Goes Abroad: A Documentary

http://beta.indiegogo.com/silkdoc

some crap (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 08:46 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpKR17YYfDQ

MikoMcha, Thursday, 22 March 2012 10:10 (twelve years ago) link

new album out by Cuticle. i like the weirdness!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 March 2012 11:16 (twelve years ago) link

not really feeling the vocals though.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 March 2012 11:17 (twelve years ago) link

New Mi Ami album (Decade) is out on 100% Silk. Anyone heard it?

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Monday, 26 March 2012 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

sorry, i'll answer just as soon as i've finished spending my entire life listening to dolphins into the future

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 March 2012 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

I challenge one of you hipster house lovin' hipsters to make a POX or Spotify playlist of the good stuff, cuz I have a feeling there are some real bangers here but I can't find them

pagan diskow (Crackle Box), Monday, 26 March 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link

i wouldn't really know, but i wouldn't be surprised if hipster house is set up specifically in opposition to bangerism

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 March 2012 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

well you're obviously not a tru hipster. banger = anything that's good. as in, "did you hear the new kindness album? it's chock full of bangers, mate"

(please please, don't take the thread *there*)

pagan diskow (Crackle Box), Monday, 26 March 2012 12:29 (twelve years ago) link

Fort Romeau did a mix for Mixmag the other week, nice ground but familiar tracks. They mention he was/is La Roux's tour drummer.

http://www.mixmag.net/music/mix-of-the-week/motw-fort-romeau

mmmm, Monday, 26 March 2012 12:40 (twelve years ago) link

Needs more bangers imho.

MikoMcha, Monday, 26 March 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

Fort Romeau album is fantastic

amen

Lamp, Monday, 26 March 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link


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