teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

gnomic mindrave forgetfulness

I'm very interested in this idea, but how does finding and listening to music via the interweb very different from finding records in a record store, a friend telling you to check out a record. Does the original source of the music really make the outcome more of What? I'm not really into this hipster house, but how different are these guys methods of sourcing music really any different from a crate digger, aside from the amount of the work involved? I am missing the point of post internet?

yes

dude because when you find music by surfin the web, pictures of cats saying funny things pop up and control the vibe

JacobSanders, the difference is of quantity, access, and as a result more of an openness to all forms. things really haven't been the same ever since Napster.

and it's not like cratedigging was ever the norm before, most people, even hardcore music fans, usually stuck to one or two areas, and the exceptions were just exploring what media was making inevitable (and the Net would fulfill)

??

what is this inevitable thing that the net fulfilled

that people would become more familiar with, and open to, every style

and obv you're trolling about the "vibes"... but tbf those are the kind of terms a lot of the US underground describes/frames its music in - a lot of talk about 'vibes', the occult, media terrains etc. there's even a self-consciously 'memetic' angle with some of the newer styles, like a media animism trip or something... which might sound odd to someone coming from an outside scene/background, but the discourse here is what it is. I mean interpret/read things through whatever framework you prefer, but this stuff is in there

that people would become more familiar with, and open to, every style

did this happen? i missed it.

well, i suspect it has happened for a lot of people on ilx...

I'd say average music fans have become a lot more open to the various basic styles than they used to be, while hardcore music geeks accumulate knowledge on a much wider selection of genres as well. I mean, there are still some metal kids or garage rock types that don't stray very far, but I think that's become much rarer

not to say that everyone is an expert on everything now, but there does seem to be a new breed of hardcore music geek/artist that wants to explore it all (all as in even soft pop, trance, etc as opposed to just minimalism, kraut rock, Italian soundtracks)

did you conclude this through empirical evidence or what

the late great can you review steve moore's tumblr for us now

my review: it's 100% awesome and essential

my review: oh, i'm not the only fourth-grader who played car wars and read omni magazine in 1985? why didn't i make a career of it?

also is this tumblr supposed to stand if for some sort of post-internet embrace of everything?

if so why is it all samey hipster shit?

there are no h1psters anymore

but i thought you might like the panther moderns 12"/also have some insights for us

tumblr is completely stupid but the tunes man

first impressions: if i was choosing a wm gibson based band name i'd choose GOTHS VS CASUALS (from count zero)

the panthers are kind of douchey to anybody but a teenager - lupus yonderboy's adaptive camo hoodie excepted - though it would be funny to have a band called LARRY AND THE SOFTHEADS (maybe we'd call a track "mollys got a rider")

actually on second thought GOTHICKS VS KASUALS just like the book spells it

see this is why i call it hipster shit, it all depends on sly references and knowing winks

what i like about ital's "hive mind" is that it seems like a personal vision, not just a gloss or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory

clearly that's a misreading of the situation but i do think ital creates the impression effectively

ive never read neuromancer idk about naming yr ep after something in it

i dont think it depends on sly references and knowing winks at all, i think thats totally wrong, i dont trust your idea of what constitutes a personal vision, i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining, i believe in vibes, ok well w/e

i don't think there is such a thing as a personal vision, that's why i said misreading

did you conclude this through empirical evidence or what

meh, people that follow or engage with art/culture can sometimes make general statements under an assumption that others who do the same will have some idea of what they're getting at... I mean culture is messy (too much to really be all 'rational' about it) but there are developments and patterns, that if you're following, you might be able to discuss with others… (which was the case in a recent metal thread on the early 90s - it was mostly just based on our experiences). I mean if you disagree that people are a little more eclectic now, okay, but I'm kind of surprised you'd argue with that

i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining

sounds deep but what does it mean

a lot of people I know use frame when they wan to say "say"

why would you be surprised?

being eclectic has been a thing with hipsters since the 1920s

also if you think things are more eclectic now maybe it's because dance pop rap and rock largely sound much more similar now than in the 80s

also you're all free to say as much non-falsifiable stuff as you want but i hope you don't begrudge me if i point it out as such

seems to me the argument runs like this

a. i know a lot of people that listen to kanye, daft punk and best coast!

b. the Internet was invented when they were born.

QED

hm, yeah there has always been eclecticism with cosmopolitan arty types, but I still think it's much more blatantly wide-ranging now. maybe that's an illusion as old new material becomes more familiar, thus the new sources drawn from always seem more remote and unlikely, but I don't think it's just that... going to have to consider that one a bit. :/

still think you're way off on this, and a lot of it is on experience, but still. you're more likely to find a metal fan that's willing to also listen to rap or indie (or an indie kid that likes dance or hip hop, etc) than you used to. there were eclectic hippies, or postpunkers, or whatever, but they were the exception whereas it's the rule now

really?

i remember in the liner notes to pearl jam's first album they were sitting on a couch in front of a huge ICE CUBE wall hanging, anthrax working with public enemy, etc.

i think the internet had been invented by then, though.

sounds deep but what does it mean

it means that everyone lives their lives btw the worlds that might be and the world that is along the lines of if

idk that a lot of times maybe all the time things just end up refracted and half-remembered amalgamations of other things like every track on the new ital record for you was a memory of some other track from somewhere else and that the ideas we have in our heads are just other ppls ideas that we picked up and polished, that we cant escape them but we can put a border made of those things around our own gloss or dream or fever

like idk whats the value in being mystic or purposefully vague when addressing the weight of cultural memory and the expectations of half-experiences except to allow you to be make inarticulate gestures at all of this...

also since you are here what is the name of the titan or leviathan that lives in the ocean that people of nessus are at war with? this is really bothering me...

when you say this stuff like "you're more likely to find ..." i also want to ask WHERE?

like you have this big sample set that you can pull from that isn't just your personal experience. i have a personal experience too, and it doesn't really square with a lot of what's being said on this thread, at least not in a way that you can point at and say OH THE INTERNET DID THAT

lamp i think you mean ABAIA, EREBUS, ARIOCH or SCYLLA though i'm not sure which

what i like about ital's "hive mind" is that it seems like a personal vision, not just a gloss or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory

why is this a dichotomy though? I think a lot of "personal visions" are basically a closs or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory, I'm not sure how I would go about distinguishing the two really. maybe the failing is with me.

it means that everyone lives their lives btw the worlds that might be and the world that is along the lines of if

and all that was, all that will be and all that is may yet fall under the shadow of h1psters.

holy fuck this thread

no tim, i agree, that's why i said a misreading, i'm not going to fall into auteur fallacy or something like that

also lamp i understand what you're saying, it's all a continuum, etc

but as a fan of electronic music, i know that when i put on the ital album i'm like "WTF is this" and even though i can come up w/ refractions and amalgamations ("chemical brothers remixed by mark e") of things i have heard it is still something i have never really heard before, because maybe it only existed in his head.

whereas steve moore, i see a track called MOORE/MAJEURE and yep, it sounds like tangerine dream circa force majeure. i see an album under a photo of a yacht, and yep, it sounds like yacht rock. i see a photo that looks like the cover of an 80s sci-fi movie and yep, the track sounds like a john carpenter track, because what he's making is maybe a lot closer to something that is already out there.

this is what i was getting at w/r/t "personal vision" vs "cultural reference"

it seems to me that ital is doing a lot more amalgamating and refracting than someone like steve moore, who is basically just spitting back up the john carpenter / 80s scifi cheese vibe undigested

Oh okay that all makes sense.

I guess how I would tend to define this issue is that communities of taste maybe aren't as constraining as they used to be. This is about what you might call the social structure of taste rather than how open-minded people are (which I'm sceptical about trying to measure).

The fluidity of artist-identity on the web - where setting up an alter ego means making a second soundcloud page - means it's a lot easier to, say, set up a sideline in a second or even third genre, than when you had to work through labels and live venues and so on.

All of which comes down to the idea of investment, and whether our past habits of making a virtue of that necessity were a good thing or a bad thing. I suspect they were both really.

What I don't think changes - or at least doesn't necessarily change - is how interesting or unique or thoughtful or etc. the resulting musical product is. A half-hearted note for note tribute to one genre and a half-hearted mish-mash of various reference points are both half-hearted.

"making a virtue of necessity" sounds to me like a good way of thinking about the idea of "post-internet" whateverr

a lot of the artists were always pretty open-minded, late great, but I think fandom is more open-minded now. although you're bringing up plenty of good exceptions. and I mean, you could say babyboomers in the 60s were pretty eclectic in their influences: rock n roll, folk, blues, rnb, country, and then even moreso going into psychedelia and prog.

I generally go with the assumption that art will always be a product of the various forces around it, so of course the Net is going to play a large part in shaping what's out there now, and not just wrt eclecticism. but interpretting it all is def a matter of projecting a bit - resonant projections maybe, but not anything for which one could always pull up the satisfying evidence you would want. I don't like to approach art too rationally, interpretation is more a vaguely poetic extension of the larger something it's all a part of (that is, I don't have much faith in the rational as far as exploring art goes, I don't think you can be reductive about it)

lamp i think you mean ABAIA, EREBUS, ARIOCH or SCYLLA though i'm not sure which

scylla was the one i was thinking of - i cant really remember much about them but i knew their names were references to other things although i thought more obscured than that

and all that was, all that will be and all that is may yet fall under the shadow of h1psters.

that darkness @ noon

fwiw i think the primtive neural pathways release (now on cassette!) is really good, even as much as its a pastiche or 'unsophisticated' in the way that it lifts and winks. like i mean the actual songs are emotionally appealing to me, i like their 'vibe', the way they unfold as familiar bits unexperienced yesterdays

yeah i don't mean to be shitting all over this stuff, there is a lot of sweet eye candy on that steve moore tumblr and i own and enjoy the com truise album so what am i on my high horse for anyway

What I don't think changes - or at least doesn't necessarily change - is how interesting or unique or thoughtful or etc. the resulting musical product is. A half-hearted note for note tribute to one genre and a half-hearted mish-mash of various reference points are both half-hearted.

otm

new 100% silk joint, perhaps a bit undigested compared to ital but vibes for days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QKWDPZTUU

sfv acid 12" probably my fave 100% silk thing after magic touch