Oh not that guy again. There was also this interesting take on Feist.
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
ugh.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:49 (eighteen years ago)
he reminds me of ben gazzara as jackie treehorn: "we used to have a little thing called production values... FEELINGS..."
― gff, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
That and the Onion editorial comment both made me roffle.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:03 (eighteen years ago)
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― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:57 (eighteen years ago)
I kinda like reading his rants as SubGenius devival art but the guy can't be bothered to put the full text of his posts in his RSS feed so screw it.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:59 (eighteen years ago)
LOL at his anti-Ticketmaster rant. Welcome to 1994 Bob!
― MC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (eighteen years ago)
oh man is he ever happy about the new Tom Petty
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
Mudcrutch vs. Tin Machine
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (eighteen years ago)
I'm officially starting the trend of calling them The Crutch.
dudes don't harsh The Crutch
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)
dude, The Crutch killed it last nite at the cow palace
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
Pure seventies. Pure magic.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
dude the crutch don't know any other way to rock.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:20 (eighteen years ago)
this was totally my favorite line
― J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:25 (eighteen years ago)
Kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:36 (eighteen years ago)
White Room
by Bob Lefsetz
The sixties were different. They were light, and dark, and nothing in between. Today we live in the gray. In the onslaught of media, nothing sticks out, nothing is in relief, we're all hiding in our bunkers, trying to figure it all out. But, in the sixties, we ventured out, we wanted to experience IT ALL!
In the sixties there was context. It wasn't like today, where without a major hype campaign nobody knows the story. We only had three TV networks. "Rolling Stone" didn't come on the scene until the end of the decade. There were limited media outlets, and we paid attention. The big breakthrough was FM underground radio, and you were lucky if you had an outlet in your community, where you could hear Cream.
Cream was something you heard about from your friends. You went over to somebody's house and they played you "Sunshine Of Your Love". Pete Townshend eventually sang about one note, pure and easy, playing so free, but really it was one RIFF that people lined up behind. And that riff, the one that got it all started, was the one from "Sunshine Of Your Love".
Listen to "Sunshine Of Your Love" today, you'll be STUNNED how little is on the record. God, it sounds like there were NO overdubs, just a power trio laying it down. Still, it wasn't just the notes Clapton was playing, it was the SOUND of those notes. There was a RICHNESS in this hard rock, a SWEETNESS! This wasn't music for boys only, this was music for EVERYBODY with genitals. It had such a weird effect on you, hearing this sound, you felt it in different parts of your body, your brain, your lower abdomen and your groin. Right after the set-up, after the richness, there's this bit of distortion in the guitar, you feel like you're in it for the long haul, to climax, four minutes hence.
Hearing "Sunshine Of Your Love" you had to buy "Disraeli Gears". And that's when you discovered it, the essence, opening side two.
Today the label picks the track, and what's left of radio takes instruction, it's all a CAMPAIGN, which you're AWARE OF! But listening to FM back then was like listening to XM today. Your relationship is with the DEEJAY! Not his voice, not his inane rap like on Sirius, but his CHOICES! That's why we love people, because of who they ARE! And when you heard "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" on the radio your life was made, the same way when Mike Marrone plays some obscure cut that only I thought I knew it makes my day.
One can argue quite strongly the first Cream album is the best. The sound isn't as good as "Disraeli Gears", but overall the songs are BETTER!
But after "Disraeli Gears", the songs got worse. Except for the unexpected "Badge", NOTHING was the caliber of what came before. Still, there was a huge hit on "Wheels Of Fire", a simple song, but one with a monster riff so exquisite that we were touched once again. It was just the SOUND of Clapton's guitar, it sounded like he was WEEPING! But then Ginger hit the drum, and Jack sang richly. Yes, as great as Clapton was, Jack's vocals were a key element of the band.
The dude who made available the MP3s of the Royal Albert Hall show left three out, the last three numbers of the concert. He hopped to, posted them on the site, and I just downloaded them, and heard "White Room".
I don't understand flying around the world to see a band. That's not what rock and roll is about. Rock and roll is about scraping up every dollar you've got, eating the equivalent of dog food just so you can AFFORD to go to the gig. The gig isn't an afterthought, ONE thing you can acquire, experience, but the ONLY thing!
While we were experiencing flower power in the U.S., the Brits were experiencing rain. The music from across the pond was different from ours. It wasn't sunny, it was dark. Made in the U.K., it was America's dark underbelly. It coexisted with Monkees hits. It was necessary, for balance.
Flying across the pond forty years later has NO darkness. Unless you saved up every last dollar you had and slept on the street in order to go.
And, going was SO much different then. You went ALL THE TIME! Because the tickets were CHEAP! Under five bucks. The concert experience wasn't about preferred parking and alcohol, it was about the MUSIC!
And that music can be heard in Cream's rendition of "White Room" on May 5th.
Eric gets that unique guitar sound. But really, it's Ginger's drums. You can hear the FEROCITY!
And then, on top of it all, in comes Jack.
Oh, he's singing along, all those words you remember. And then you hear it...
"I'll wait in this place where the sun never shines Wait in this place where the shadows run from themselves"
I'm waiting for this place to return. Where business trumps art. Where creativity is revered over music. Where the messiah returns.
Religious zealots think the messiah is going to come from heaven. Down to save us.
But I don't believe that. I don't believe in a higher power. I believe in people. Their ability to triumph, do the right thing, against incredible odds.
Here, just before the show is over, almost two hours into it, having deliv ered upon expectations, Cream FINALLY throws off the limitations and just RIPS! THIS is music-making. When you're no longer going by the rehearsal, when you're just WINGING IT! When you stop concentrating on being together, do your own thing and it all FALLS INTO PLACE!
And a little over halfway through the number, Eric finally takes center stage, he finally WAILS! Not in the way he has for the past thirty years, but the way he did with John Mayall, as a SIDEMAN! In the tradition of great bluesmen, he's taking his LICKS! He's just part of the club.
And all these years later, it's still a championship team.
― Mr. Big STFU (ojo), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (sixteen years ago)
How many of his letters start out with something about the sixties or the classic era being "different"?
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:03 (sixteen years ago)
Lefzetz meets Pitchfork, world implodes.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:30 (fourteen years ago)
this guy's paragraph breaks are so psychotic.
― the-dream in the witch house (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:31 (fourteen years ago)
someone needs to get the Pitchfork Reviews Reviews guy and Bob Lefsetz together
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:42 (fourteen years ago)
Have you heard of the Weeknd?
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:44 (fourteen years ago)
is this revive actually from 2011
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
Psychotic Paragraph Breaks would be a good name for a genre.
― moley, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:31 (fourteen years ago)
I still read his column all the time. Setting aside his stylistic tendencies towards a hranguing tone, I like his open, straightforward style, his siding with a certain kind of artist who doesn't particularly want to be a publicity hound, and his fairly enlightened and, these days, quite rare advice about the importance of concentrating on developing your craft over a long period of time. It's a tonic to all those 'Zap Pow Future Music Biz 2.0 Ideas Machine' type blogs. Also: how often do you get this forward looking, optimistic, rallying kind of pep talk from an avowed baby boomer? He recently he even got turned on to Deadmau5, which was a delightful thing to behold. So my view of him is that he's a character, and not without a certain uncanny capacity to hit on the important things to do with art and the creative process that get lost in the wake of internetty and publicity oriented stuff.
― moley, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:42 (fourteen years ago)
thing is even when he talks and talks about ART and CREATIVITY he still sounds like a suit who knows to pay lip service to those values as opposed to a serious music buff. also this is his idea of insight in October 2011:
Throw out all your twentieth century thinking.
There’s more ways to make money in music than selling discs.
But the old players can’t see this.
So they’re going to be left behind.
― some dude, Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
and his next line is
Ian Rogers never worked at a major label.
not at a label, but he he worked for a major label act for the first five years of his career, worked with major labels at Yahoo, and works with major label acts now. not to denigrate the dude's genuine forward-thinking in any way, but Lefsetz' point is offset by Rogers' cashflow having pretty much always originated at majors, no?
― front-man for British post-punk turned pop chart-topper’s, Scritti Polliti (sic), Friday, 14 October 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
i always imagine this guy as looking like the monopoly guy, except dressed as a parrothead.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Friday, 14 October 2011 00:19 (fourteen years ago)
even when he has the occasional point there's not much sadder than people whose central motivation is making sure you know that whatever the kids believe, that's what they believe too
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 14 October 2011 01:08 (fourteen years ago)
The 10,000 Hour Rule"In Hamburg, we had to play for eight hours
He is so obsessed with this point from Gladwell's Outliers book regarding what you have to do to be good at something
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 15:25 (fourteen years ago)
does malcolm gladwell have a use besides blowing the minds of first year business majors?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 October 2011 16:06 (fourteen years ago)
You can turn him upside down and scrub out your toilet.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 October 2011 16:15 (fourteen years ago)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown
You might be right, but he still writes for the New Yorker so more folks than just college kids quote him. A parent of a kid on my son's high school baseball team is frequently quoting him to me.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:31 (fourteen years ago)
x-post-- yep that hair of Gladwell's is something
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:32 (fourteen years ago)
Today everybody's so into image, everybody's got such narrow tastes, but back then you could like Zeppelin AND Loggins & Messina. You were open to everything, we were all in it together.
I don't think this music is going to be remembered, there's not going to be a Loggins & Messina renaissance, but "Mother Lode" holds up. Play it on a long, dreary drive, you'll see your whole life unfold in front of you.
Yeah.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 21:18 (fourteen years ago)
back then you could like Zeppelin AND Loggins & Messina.
people's taste seems so much broader to me than it ever was now
Jesus Christ people who fetishize the 70s AOR era will just always always be even more annoying than any other era-specific cheerleaders, which is a bummer, because buried amidst their starry-eyed walks down memory lane are some actually true things about that era and what made the records good (in short: more studio budget, engineers with more open ears i.e. dudes who weren't yet locked into a style, less tech to smooth out takes that needed to be redone)
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 14 October 2011 21:42 (fourteen years ago)
(Have you heard Eminem recently?)
― Maybe more Danson and Galifianakis would help (Eazy), Friday, 14 October 2011 21:47 (fourteen years ago)
You were open to everything, we were all in it together.lol that's great. the 70s, a time of great cultural unity.
― tylerw, Friday, 14 October 2011 22:10 (fourteen years ago)
lol otm
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 14 October 2011 22:16 (fourteen years ago)
and fwiw loggins messina renaissance is already underway, come on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpmr9P2_K4g
― tylerw, Friday, 14 October 2011 22:20 (fourteen years ago)
so everyone is mad at lefsetz for this today: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/
"I wasn’t sure what to do after Beyonce’s appearance, join a gym or masturbate." stupid line, and the guy is an awful writer, but i fail to see how this piece is sexist or racist. maybe it's because I personally can't stand Beyonce because I hate her music and everything about her. But I restrained myself from saying anything in person or online last night because I knew I'd get my head bitten off. I don't doubt the dude is a pudgy Boomer prick with an ancient outlook, but what about this piece is getting everyone so pissed off, aside from his dislike of Beyonce's performance?
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:11 (thirteen years ago)
another egregious line tho - "hip hop is full of attitude"
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:16 (thirteen years ago)
x-post
On what are you basing your suggestion that this piece is getting more people pissed at Leftsetz than other ones? Tweets? facebook? ???
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:20 (thirteen years ago)
I've read almost as much twitter vitriol on the subjext today as I read about the superbowl itself yesterday.
― Oblique Strategies, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:22 (thirteen years ago)
in addition to the masturbation thing this part was pretty sexist (and just gross generally in other ways:
Who do we blame? Madonna? Who invented a new paradigm and then went for a victory lap wherein she dieted down to nothing and spent hours a day working out? Do you think Adele works out? Ha!
"Do you think Adele works out?" Go fuck yourself, Lef.
― :C (crüt), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:24 (thirteen years ago)
"the Lumineers are bigger than Alicia Keys" Yikes.
― Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:26 (thirteen years ago)
but i fail to see how this piece is sexist or racist
you mean as in only one or the other?
lol j/k who cares what this nobody-guy writes on a blog
― sleepingbag, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:26 (thirteen years ago)
x-post -- Tweets About Beyonce or about Leftsetz re Beyonce?
Leftsetz has a huge mailing list of industry people and musicians who always seem to put up with his cluelessness
― curmudgeon, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:27 (thirteen years ago)
I saw Ned talking about it on twitter and then saw the deluge of music crits and randos going nuts...
@LauraSterritt I'm so so appreciating all of the men I'm seeing calling out Lefsetz's Beyonce post. Really heartwarming.
@1000TimesYes Everyone please quit calling the Lefsetz post "sexist." It's racist too!
@robmitchum So McCain and Lefsetz both committed social media suicide before noon today. This could turn out to be a pretty great week.
@randlechris lefsetz confused here. "ONLY MUSIC MATTERS" but if women made it you apparently prefer to write about their bodies with a pair of forceps?
@Marcissist Truth RT @maura hey bob @lefsetz: you are a gross sexist scumbag and the fact that anyone takes you seriously about anything is embarrassing
@lfitzmaurice The easy joke there is that Bob Lefsetz would be better off choosing the gym^lol
@lfitzmaurice What RT @Lefsetz: Alicia Keys is the new Sheryl Crow. Showing up everywhere. Hey Alicia! There's a supermarket opening around the corner!
@killquilty if there's anything more infuriating than the lefsetz letter it's the lefsetz letter wasting time focusing on amanda palmer
@brandon_weigel @notrivia Couldn't get past the second sentence of Lefsetz's garbage.
― you are my capitalism (spazzmatazz), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:27 (thirteen years ago)
The assertion that the Lumineers are bigger than Beyonce was pretty lol.
― Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 4 February 2013 19:27 (thirteen years ago)
there's not one sentence of this that rings true at all.
― goole, Monday, 4 February 2013 19:29 (thirteen years ago)
Im summary, Michael Jackson is a land of contrasts
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 29 April 2026 20:14 (one month ago)
https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/2026/04/28/the-michael-jackson-biopic/
for those who want to read his whole Michael Jackson and Marilyn Monroe compare and contrast
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 April 2026 20:24 (one month ago)
Oy veh. From his latest-
So a few days back I saw the "30 Greatest Living American Songwriters" article in the "New York Times" app. I wasn't expecting much, then again, it is the "New York Times." The same "Times" that is bending over backwards to be pro-Palestinian, even though its majordomo is Jewish. And the anti-tech spin, the denigration of social media, the playing to its educated, upper middle class audience drives me wild. It's self-reinforcing delusion.
And when it comes to music...
I know some of these writers, one especially, is a self-satisfied overeducated hip-hop fan. Funny how it's the white men who are all in on hip-hop, busy analyzing it and boosting it in a way that those in the culture, those who make it, do not. Are they drawn to the edgy danger, that is so far from their roots, that they would never truly get close to? I don't know, but I expected to see a number of hip-hop writers. Then again, when I think of songwriters... Lyrics are important, but if you're sampling or someone else is creating the beats are you truly a songwriter? I mean you're a lyricists...but I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here.
But this is the "New York Times."
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 30 April 2026 21:26 (one month ago)
hard to believe that lefsetz is getting even worse
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 April 2026 22:16 (one month ago)
lol I read that whole column, it's loaded with lefsetz classics & can't maintain focus for longer than three sentences
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 April 2026 22:22 (one month ago)
I wonder who the self satisfied over educated hip hop fan is.
― The Quaker Gurvitz Army (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 April 2026 23:48 (one month ago)
JCLC has done an evil thing by tempting me to look at Bob’s latest and oh god. does he think that randomly dropping a classic lefsetzism is a way to join paragraphs between takes on disparate topics, or does his brain just pop one of those out and he forgets what he was talking about?
― mh, Friday, 1 May 2026 00:30 (one month ago)
also amazing that he is ostensibly commenting on the nytimes list and the article asking why Randy Newman was not on it, but then proceeds to avoid commenting on the list himself other than saying they picked the wrong Paul Simon songs
― mh, Friday, 1 May 2026 00:32 (one month ago)
About six weeks ago my shrink asked me about a piece I wrote that resonated with my audience, that he himself had read. He asked me what made it different. I thought about it for a while and then I said it was WARM!
― The Quaker Gurvitz Army (President Keyes), Friday, 1 May 2026 01:40 (one month ago)
his shrink either has the easiest or worst job on the planet. maybe both!
― mh, Friday, 1 May 2026 01:40 (one month ago)
or does his brain just pop one of those out and he forgets what he was talking about?
Now what you’ve got to know about Lefsetz is the hoi palloi hasn’t had that spirit since 1969, nuff said. Like Dylan said, if you’re not busy living, you’re busy dying, but that means nada now. Nuff said.
― Strait of Merzbow (Eazy), Friday, 1 May 2026 01:47 (one month ago)
Yoko? People forget that they had some jams on that album with the nudity. Was nudity ever that shocking?
― mh, Friday, 1 May 2026 01:50 (one month ago)
“Buying Gas” is his “Drums>Space.”
― Strait of Merzbow (Eazy), Friday, 1 May 2026 01:51 (one month ago)
the conceit that he thinks the music list was done dirty because it was all time and not all-time songwriters because they did a 2000+ movie list (which missed all the greats!) is funny. i’m obviously a strong proponent of the idea that any list is beholden to the time, place, and people creating the list, but the entire idea of canon wrecked his mind
he can’t bring himself to address that in the context of this being 2026 and the editorial voice is the nytimes other than to pivot and imply they’re all rabid anti-zionists (they are not)
― mh, Friday, 1 May 2026 01:56 (one month ago)
Widow’s Bay
Did you watch this fakokta show?
I have a policy. If Felice wants to watch something, I will give it a shot, assuming the show has high Rotten Tomatoes ratings and is fully available.
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 21 June 2026 18:18 (six days ago)
So why am I bothering to piss on Clive Davis, especially upon his death?
BECAUSE HE WAS THE ANTITHESIS OF EVERYTHING I LOVE ABOUT THE MUSIC AND THIS BUSINESS!
― curmudgeon, Monday, 22 June 2026 22:48 (five days ago)
But are any of Clive’s acts playing the Sphere?
― bendy, Tuesday, 23 June 2026 10:11 (four days ago)
Thesis, Antithesis, Clive Davis: the Lefsetzian dialectic
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 23 June 2026 10:29 (four days ago)