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Stevie's a great drummer and like isn't enough of the instrumentation being funky already?

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The beat on Superstition is heavy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

third one on "Innervisions" = "Living For the City" btw

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always been bothered by the all-over drumming on Jimi Hendrix albums, especially "Crosstown Traffic."

Also the Turtles, Turtle Soup (if I'm remembering the title correctly; their last studio album): John Seiter was no John Barbata ...

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I actually don't like Buddy Miles' drumming, so it's hard for me to get into Band of Gypsys.

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the kingsmen's "louie, louie" owns this thread

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Either Led Zeppelin 4 or Who's Next -- two albums that were amazing despite the substandard, damn-near-embarrassing drumming.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

my bloody valentine does have kind of pedestrian rhythm tracks, but i don't think that's from "bad" drumming, it's not not where k. shields's head was at

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF dude the robo-drumming damn near makes Is This It.

On another note, I have to think really hard when someone asks me to recall a specific beat from any given Velvet Underground song. (Which is, like, five times a day.)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Nate I need a transcript of the break from 'Sister Ray' on my desk by noon"

"But I'm in the middle of notating the solo from 'Down by the River', gimme a minute"

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I wouldn't say MBV's drumming is terrible. just adequate. functional.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

wow. thread's gone this far without anyone taking the usual shots at ringo?

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis has made a couple of great records (by this I mean "singles") despite completely worthless drumming.

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Mo Tucker's drumming!

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

'new day rising'

― jake b. (cerybut), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread mystifies me 100% -- I love all the stuff being discussed, drums and all!

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Colm from MBV is an AWESOME live drummer. Listen to the "You Made Me Realise" and "Feed Me With Your Kiss" EPs. The drumming on "Emptiness Inside" is AMAZING. The "drumming" on 'Loveless' was entirely programmed from samples of Colm's drumming. The drumming at MBV concerts was breathtaking!!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, technically he was the best 'musician' in the band (according to them).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I was listening to some beatles track a while ago and the drumming so terrible, but it was on the white album, so it was probably Paul (I just can't remember what song it was).

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.whatsbetter.com/static/images/2451.jpg

Todd Trainor...
Neil Peart...
Keith LeBlanc...
Buddy Rich...
George Hurley...

RHYTHM DEAF CUNTS!

― Tofukyo Scramblass, Monday, 20 September 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

BROADCAST Work and Non Work
I think that is an amazing record, but that drummer is pretty crap

This really surprises me. I thought the drummer is the whole point of Broadcast. Everything else including the vocals just kind of revolves around the drums.

― everything, Monday, 20 September 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I actually don't like Buddy Miles' drumming, so it's hard for me to get into Band of Gypsys

I like Buddy Miles' drumming just fine - it's Buddy Miles' singing that I have problems with.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 20 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's basically a late 80's/early 90's-thing.

hey, wilful early-90s obscurism ahoy. just before britpop came along to fuck everything up for four years, there was a band called passion fruit and holy bread, who did a song called sky that would be the all-time shoegazing anthem were it not for the most laughable, godawful piece of drumming i've ever heard in my puff. honestly: it just kills it stone dead.

then they disappeared without trace. ho hum.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think much of Keith Moon as a "drummer" but what he did, at its best, is good. Bonham was an amazing drummer, I always thought. Stevie Wonder is no Prince as a drummer and I do think "Innervisions" suffers a bit from his drumming. What about McCartney on "Band on the Run," is that him on drums? Always sounded a bit ropey to me.

Michael Clarke of the Byrds was pretty sloppy. But those Byrds records are great despite it/because of it? I'm not sure and you know, I don't really care.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Everything Aloha's recorded so far. The Buckpets' debut. Pink Flag.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the drumming is about the only thing i like about LZ4 OR who's next!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Radiohead to thread.

Whoa whoa whoa. I've learned to ignore most of the Radiohead bashing on ILM but you CANNOT be serious.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

THE BUCKPETS? Damn, that's the first time in ten years that I've heard someone mention that band.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

then they disappeared without trace. ho hum.

well, not exactly. they became Mover.

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah anyone who has a problem with radiohead's drumming is tripping balls bigtime.

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Perplexing statements on this thread (at least one of these has to be a joke):

Colm's drumming makes that album, though.

Either Led Zeppelin 4 or Who's Next -- two albums that were amazing despite the substandard, damn-near-embarrassing drumming.

I've always been bothered by the all-over drumming on Jimi Hendrix albums, especially "Crosstown Traffic."

Radiohead to thread.

Neil Peart...

it's Buddy Miles' singing that I have problems with.

I don't think much of Keith Moon as a "drummer"

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(And when I say "at least one" I mean the one about LZ4 and Who's Next).

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"Radiohead to thread."

WTF?!

I also agree with Sundar re: Keith Moon and John Bonham.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

1. I was joking about Led Zep and The Who ... I didn't think anyone would take that farce seriously.

2. The Buckpets!!!!!!! Wow! I saw them open for Jane's Addiction once about 15 years ago, and I haven't thought about them since. Come to think of it, their song "Pearls" was kind of decent. I think I have their cassette buried in a box somewhere.

― johnnyg, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

You can never be sure on this board, johnnyg.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

(By which I mean "You can never be too sure in this bitch, johnnyg", obv.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Can - Ege Bamyasi

― Free the Bee (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, after a while, when everyone in the locker room has shown off their dicks, they all look kinda boring after a while.

― the yo-yo man, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Any jazz recording with Bill Bruford drumming.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, scratch that. He's never played on a good jazz recording.

― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF? You don't like Earthworks, Bryan? weeps

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Pink Flag, well I don't know. I saw Wire live this summer and it really impressed me that this guy is like 60 years old and still really can't play that well. That's punk.

― strom (strom), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Can - Ege Bamyasi

Yes, hilarious. But seriously, I never liked the Meat Puppets' drummer, he always seemed kind of a boring player compared to the Kirkwood boys.

the kingsmen's "louie, louie" owns this thread

My favourite drumming on a record ever!!!!!!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

[re: passion fruit and holy bread]

well, not exactly. they became Mover

ooh! did mover have a proper drummer?

― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I'm too much a traditionalist, Sundar, but Bruford's feel is just too rock for me. He's way too heavy on the snare. His dynamics seem to go from loud to louder. Arguably Alan White is a better jazz drummer if you go by his playing on Yes' Relayer, for instance.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Phish to thread!

Yup, White Stripes certainly count, too.

― Chris O., Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Ringo is very underrated.

― Chris O., Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris O. OTM wrt Ringo. I think Ringo's a decent singer as well, better than tons of other people often thought of as good singers.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

the kingsmen's "louie, louie" owns this thread
My favourite drumming on a record ever!!!!!!!!!!

-- Dadaismus

FANTASTIC performance on the drums during the gtr solo! Reminds me of Drumbo from Beefheart's Magic Band. Practically avant-garde!

― Monty Von Boom-boom (Monty Von Byonga), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Anyone who says Jesus and Mary Chain should be smacked.

― S- (sgh), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:50 (twenty years ago)

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Also slightly tempted to challop the fuck out of the thread by saying Zen Arcade.

― Hard Normal Showaddywaddy (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:17 (thirteen years ago)

grant's no monster, though i feel his playing is kinda great in a way

― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:28 (thirteen years ago)

It's very one note. You know exactly what's coming next

That can be great, but..

― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:29 (thirteen years ago)

I know (from other discussions) that I'm the minority here, but I still think Robert Gotobed's motorik drumming is the weakest part of 70s Wire.

― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:30 (thirteen years ago)

Also, shall we get the obligatory Helen Wiggin (The Shaggs) mention out of the way?

― in the Land of the Yik Yak (Sanpaku), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:33 (thirteen years ago)

don't know if terrible but Ralph Molina

― nostormo, Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:43 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is true. He's not good by any definition.

― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

There are some amazing botched fills on the new crazy horse record

Molina is by far the best answer to this thread

― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:37 (thirteen years ago)

xposts Phew that was less of a flaming-torch-carrying mob style reaction that I expected.
'Terrible drummer' would def be an overstatement but I find that the drum beats on songs like What's Going On and Turn On The News have a slightly clip-clop feel to them which mars the tunes a bit for me. It could well be down to how the drums are recorded as much as to the actual patterns Grant plays.
OTOH you could never say the drumming on Reoccuring Dreams is terrible.

― Hard Normal Showaddywaddy (Mr Andy M), Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

Hart's Keith Moon-like aversion to hi-hats was a negative IMO

― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 15 November 2012 20:43 (thirteen years ago)

Love Ralph Molina, but haven't heard the new one yet. Can't think of a single song he's on that would be improved with a different drummer (and when other drummers play with Neil, they can't cut it on the Ralph/Crazy Horse songs).

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)

I love Hart's drumming, but that might be cos I came to Husker Du as a hardcore band, and Hart's basically a hardcore drummer a lot of the time. That might be what you're hearing as clipclop....

― m0stlyClean, Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:16 (thirteen years ago)

any mogwai record

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:30 (thirteen years ago)

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:13 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I held this view, and kinda still do, but the 1989 Paramount Theater bootleg w/Neil Young & the Restless kinda made me doubt it

― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:30 (thirteen years ago)

any mogwai record

THIS

― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:32 (thirteen years ago)

the first couple Paradise Lost records

― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)

I held this view, and kinda still do, but the 1989 Paramount Theater bootleg w/Neil Young & the Restless kinda made me doubt it

Ha, that's exactly what I had in mind when I wrote that! I love that show, but Chad Cromwell on "Down By The River" really doesn't do it for me.

― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 15 November 2012 21:46 (thirteen years ago)

Crooked Rain->Wowee Zowee (the tracks that Malkmus isn't drumming on at least).

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:10 (thirteen years ago)

steve west is a incredibly boring drummer

― Master of Treacle, Thursday, 15 November 2012 22:17 (thirteen years ago)

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