Aphex Twin's _Selected Ambient Works Volume II

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I Care wipes SAWII away.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if my memory's playing with me, but I swear I was listening to SAW II when I heard that Cobain was dead.

I've managed to lose about 4 copies of the thing during the last 10 years, and I've always gone straight back out and replaced it. Much as I love Richard's later stuff, SAW II is a unique thing of wonder.

And where would BBC2 documentary Producers be without it?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard it for years; I'll have to dig out my original double cassette copy sometime today.

I remember listening to it a lot and being thoroughly terrified by a couple of tracks. I found it as scary as Rosemary's baby.

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Other albums that are ten years old...

Dummy
Second Coming
Vulvaland
Protection
Hex
D.I. Go Pop
Snivilisation
Ill Communication
Grace
Amber
Parklife
Music For The Gilted Generation
Crooked Rain Crooked Crooked Rain
Definitely Maybe
Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
Independancy
Weezer
Illmatic

1994 seems like a very ILM-friendly year.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Artificial Intelligence II
Kate's favourite Primal Scream album

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

heh, I bought SAW II on vinyl shortly after its release date and i'm pretty sure i've only played it the once. this doesn't mean i didn't like it, just that i've never once been in the mood to give it another listen. the album has sat there on successive shelves mocking me. has it really been ten years? good grief.

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(mind you, the pressing wasn't great, sounded very crackly even on first play - so there's a bit of "don't want to damage the vinyl even more" going on in my head here as well)

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"does one really need any ambient beyond another green world and saw II?"

yes.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have this but I've heard it and I like what I've heard. In contrast I have SAW 85-92 and it's dire - not dire so much as just boring, in-one-ear-out-the-other wallpaper music.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

but this is a great album. the first two tracks on disc 2 do it for me in a big way - but i'm going to agree with ned and say that disc 1 tr 3 is something special. quite an impressive range of moods - especially bearing in mind that there is very little movement or really much happening at all across the two discs. it's creepy and sad and mysterious - most of my favourite qualities in recorded music (not just ambient) are present. i remember marcello said he loved it and would write about it for his blog, did he get round to it? i would like to read, if so.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

does one really need any ambient beyond another green world and saw II?

what a fubny questoin. does one need anny rock beynod white ligt white heat and in teh court of the crismon king?

― :|, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Kilian, you need to get hold of Aether by The Necks.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Even though I don't really do pyschedelics anymore, I swear I can still hear very distant dixie big band-type jazz behind a lot of the tracks if I snuggle right up to the speaker and lay still for fve minutes or so.

That is the funniest thing I've read in a while. I want to try that some day.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

and i think that i am going to put on the album right now, as i prepare my lunch.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i have never heard all of this :(

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Chalk me up to a member of the "saw ii um so what" party. I couldn't sleep to it, couldn't concentrate on it, couldn't keep it on as background noise, and ended up selling it within a year.

We had a fine thread on recommended ambient records a while back. I'd add me some fine releases from the Improvised Music from Japan label and the Necks' Drive-By.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it's very distinct. didn't actually listen to it at the time, but i see what it's gor. very minimalistic, not just in structure, bul also in texture. nice. supposedly, he got the inspiration for it from standing inside a transformer station somewhere in the midlands.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

april 1994 was when 'supersonic' first came out as was on the chart show, marking the definitive 10 years of a degenerative obsession with music which has prevented me from getting anything nearly useful done. fuck me.

― matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought only my (colored) vinyl edition was crackly... In fact, at first I thought the overall crackliness was part of the music. Later on I got a used cd copy and played that until it started skipping & now I'm using that crackly vinyl again! A mighty album, but I wouldn't dare go to sleep listening to it!

― Janne (Janne), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got mine a few weeks ago... ;'(

― John 2, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

In my world, every year is 1994.

― Mike Salmo (salmo), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

We are the music makers is a work of staggering genius.

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

We are the music makers is a work of staggering genius.

i thought we werent't talking about SAW 1.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the Necks' Drive-By.

oh, this is a great album. i was being semi-facetious with the "what other ambient do you need" comment. what i sort of meant is that for a given type of music that i'm not all that interested in, there are at least a couple of records that are undeniably amazing, that i would be loathe to get rid of if i were ever to have to pare my collection down to say 20 records...saw II might be one of my token ambient rekkids in that case.

"-- :|", i could easily knock my rock stuff down to a couple of records and never worry about it!

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i could also be content if i had to ditch all my non-rock music and only had a v. extensive rock collection to listen to. this is a weird hypothetical that i cannot express correctly. music is good and saw II is great piece of music.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

'94 was a big year for the "IL" phoneme! snivILisation, ILL communication, ILLmatic, music for the gILted generation, southernplayalisticadILLacmusik.

― rgeary (rgeary), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

we went through a phase where we'd ring each other up and just blast bits of SAW II over the phone lines. especially disc 1, track 2. that's my enduring memory of SAW II. i think i'll listen to it this morning in honor of this thread.

also comparing saw i / saw ii = completely dud.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never understood how the same person who made something as incredibly moving as SAW II could spend the next ten years making such unlistenable rubbish. 'I Care Because You Do' has three good tracks on it. 'Richard D James' I bought and regreted. Nothing since has remotely tempted me.

― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never understood how the same person who made something as incredibly moving as SAW II could spend the next ten years making such unlistenable rubbish.

and what of the ten previous years? I personally love Analogue Bubblebath's (whatever volumes I have, 3 and 4 i think) noisier moments, and Tamphax Hedfuq and Digeridoo, etc...

I don't like how SAWII is sometimes treated like a touchstone for his wor

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

er,

...for his work to be compared against

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm in the "listened to it religiously late at night for years" group and also the "disc 1 track 3 is my favorite" group.

this is one that always comes to mind when someone starts a "top x albums of all time" thread here, but i haven't heard it for a very long time. thanks for the reminder ned!

― tricky disco (disco stu), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I think digeridoo was released before saw II

but I generally agree with the statement about his musical output as of late. I long to hear him do beautiful music again. I actually liked some of the satie inspired piano pieces on druqs just for that reason.

I know you are a killer programmer mr. james you no longer have to go on about it at length. Just give me some beauty.

Could drill and bass be the ultimate prog music?

― hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

if the Richard D. James Album isn't beautiful, I'll eat my Windowlicker CDs.

SAW II is unique. If Richard had tried to repeat the trick, chances are he'd have fallen on his arse. The joy of stuff like "Girl/Boy Song" is that he jams the beautiful bits against the drill 'n' bass and lets them work on each other.

I assume the peeps that lost interest after SAW II are the ones responsible for buying all those Greatest Chill-Out Album in the World....Ever! CDs that polluted the air a couple of years back.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think digeridoo was released before saw II

Yep, the R&S release was in 92, and I'm pretty sure there was an earlier version on white label...

― mmmmsalt (Graeme), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"I assume the peeps that lost interest after SAW II are the ones responsible for buying all those Greatest Chill-Out Album in the World....Ever!"

oooh that hurt.

No sorry but I don't have tons of those records and I didnt say that everything after SAW II was shit but there have been quite a few shit things released. I mean that recent mixes for cash release? He has lost respect for his audience.

It just seems that his releases have become kind of half ass. I really dug that remix he did as afx for the 808 state track but most of druqs was lame.

― hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think digeridoo was released before saw II

I know, like noodle vague says, it's unique; you can hear its coming in his pre-SAWII work and see what he did next with I Care 'Cuz U Do and RDJ album.

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

my punctuation is for shit. again:

I think digeridoo was released before saw II
I know, which is what i was drawing attention to; why isn't this pre-sawII the touchstone?

I guess, like noodle vague says, SAWII is unique; you can hear its coming in his pre-SAWII work and see what he did next with I Care 'Cuz U Do and RDJ album.

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Definitely not responsible for endless chillout compilations, and never really listen to anything 'ambient' any more, just think stuff like 'windowlicker' is taking the piss.

― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, low blow.

Richard likes to give the impression in interviews that he doesn't give a shit whether his music is released or not, nor whether the stuff that is released is his best work or not, so I guess his respect for his audience has always been minimal. But hey, that's okay. I also get the feeling that his relationship with Warp has deteriorated over the last few years.

I don't think drukqs is terrible, it's just disappointing in its failure to be brilliant. Windowlicker was fabulous, and if he'd pursued that warped (excuse pun) R'n'B vein then drukqs could only have been better for it.

But if he never releases another decent tune again, his highs, like SAW II, have been stratospheric.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

if there's any justice in the world, disc 1 track 3 should become as well known and regarded as any of the classics of, um, classical music.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Well phillip glass has done cover versions of some of his tunes so at least its known in the classical world.

― hector (hector), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never understood why people have such trouble figuring out which song goes with which picture. It's pretty obvious to figure out (though it's hard to explain without actually being able to use the album as a visual aid.) If you look on the back of the CD jewel case with the little circles divided into sections, each section represents one song (each circle = a "side" for the vinyl version, I assume). For each section/song there is a corresponding picture. You start from the top of each circle and move clockwise to find the track order. There is one extraneous picture, though, for the track that's only included on press release vinyl, "Stone In Focus"

THIS IS MY THEORY AND IT IS RIGHT SO DO NOT QUESTION IT

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I just got this album a few weeks ago, and I can say it doesn't sound aged at all. The only Aphex Twin I had prior to this was SAW I which was nice enough but never really moved me, but I'm in love with SAW II. The day I bought it I put on my headphones, laid on the floor, and listened to the first disc, and I was pretty much blown away. I always hear people say that Loveless is the only music you can touch, but SAW II is the only music I'm aware of that you can use as a blanket.

― stephen morris, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I never quite got why this is supposed to be such a classic - not that I hate it or anything but if we're talking 1994 then Amber is obviously vastly superior, and Patashnik beats it quite squarely too.

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

If your kundalini is opening, it's inadvisable to listen to SAW II however. It seems to razzle the snake and make it start shimmying in a disturbing fashion right through your brain. I would suggest Eno's later ambient work - eg Neroli - for people in this situation.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Both fine albums, Siegbran -- as my AMG reviews note. ;-) But I have to say that SAW II is still *the* album for me from that year in that vein.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

WIRE interview/article from back in the day and about the infamous "lucid dreaming" technique;

So, I'm just listening to SAWII for the first time in years, and boy is my tape copy worn out. I need to buy this on CD tomorrow.

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

WIRE interview/article from back in the day and about the infamous "lucid dreaming" technique;

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

SAW II is gorgeous, terrifying, and mysterious. I automatically lose a glimmer of respect for someone when they dis' this record -- assholish I know, but I can't help it. It's not so much losing respect as it is just wondering if our brains all have the same parts and regions and stuff, because I cannot imagine not being moved by this album. The microtonality? the robot big-band hip-sashaying ambient boogie? yes, it's all there, and there's a lot more there, a whole world of light and shade, plush organic squish and hard gleaming inhuman shine, a record that plays the listener, scritching at the cerebral cortex, knotting neural pathways, whispering to our deepest fears -- aural, tactile fears we can never quite fully apprehend.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And yes this is one of those albums that casts such a spell on me, all I can do is fling strings of words and vague impressions at it to try and make sense of it, make sense of why it means so much to me. Ultimately a failure, of course. I think I'll go put it on now.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

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Exactly what koogs said

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 20 June 2024 19:19 (two years ago)

yeah, it didn't help that they were long CDs and the data went right to the edges

― koogs, Thursday, 20 June 2024 19:38 (two years ago)

I bought SAW II on CD back in 2004 and didn’t know stone in focus existed until last year, was a bit of a trip to discover one of the best songs by one of your favourite artists just hiding in a cupboard. It’s probably the closest I’ve come to realizing my recurring dream where I’m watching TV and a season 4/5 Simpsons episode I’ve never seen suddenly comes on.

― ed.b, Friday, 21 June 2024 18:27 (two years ago)

have you looked into the soundcloud dump?

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 18:29 (two years ago)

they should color the new release cds bronze just to fuck with people

(Saw 2 was one of the releases misprinted by Philips / Dupont in the UK. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc_bronzing )

― master of the pan (abanana), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:12 (two years ago)

tha1 (slo) is a bonus track right? that was part of the SoundCloud dump

― brimstead, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:23 (two years ago)

yep, th1, th1 (slo) and this one, which is still online : https://soundcloud.com/user18081971/th1-evnslower
(he has been adding to that dump every now and then ever since, btw, most recent track was 10 months ago)

― StanM, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:32 (two years ago)

Right th1, not tha1, my bad

― brimstead, Friday, 21 June 2024 19:35 (two years ago)

xp whoa, thanks

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:42 (two years ago)

nice, I am 1 hour 45 mins behind on these tracks, listening now

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:46 (two years ago)

i only just realized his soundcloud username is not just a random string of numbers

― paul mccartney and wigs (diamonddave85), Saturday, 22 June 2024 00:30 (one year ago)

ohhhhhhh

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 22 June 2024 00:39 (one year ago)

three months pass...

Dispatched: 1 October 2024, 14:53 UTC

Aphex Twin
Selected Ambient Works Volume II (Expanded Edition)
CD (3×CD)

― brimstead, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 17:47 (one year ago)

I got that email earlier today too!

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 October 2024 17:48 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Ii9Q5YMeM

worth clicking through for the top couple comments

― default damager (lukas), Tuesday, 1 October 2024 18:11 (one year ago)

Despite owning this on multiple formats over the years, I'm still waiting-by-the-mailbox eager to receive my copy of the 3xCD reissue. Few albums from my youth have the kind of enduring power over me that this one does. And I say that despite still preferring SAW 1!

― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 1 October 2024 18:29 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

Dan Weiss has a great new piece up about a particular angle on the release/anniversary -- namely, a dive into how it was actually marketed and sold here in the US:

https://riotriot.substack.com/p/red-white-and-blue-calx-the-story

A lot of detail, including comparisons to other acts under the Warner umbrella and how they were marketed etc.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 October 2024 15:31 (one year ago)

Well, the first part of the article seems interesting.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 October 2024 15:32 (one year ago)

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