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i used to live in chris esper's old house!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax! = pwned
-- Reed Moore, September 24th, 2004

not really. i've deferred to quentin compson on many issues in the past. one slip up about a local band (that has hardly any fans at home) is inconsequential.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i am sooo burned. but in all seriousness folx, i think their drummer is in Rochester.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

their drummer is chris and he lives in philly. seriously, you dont want to niggle over these facts with 2 philly people reading this thread, do you?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

From Locust Music:
Espers started just a few short years ago as a trio from Philly featuring singer/songwriter Greg Weeks, Meg Baird and Brooke Sietinsons. Their infectious sound is quickly brought them increased attention on the burgeoning Philadelphia loft scene and stints performing with legends like Bridget St. John & Michael Hurley. Over the past 6 months, they've dazzled audiences at music festivals in the Midwest & Northeast and have often expanded the nucleus of the group to a mesmerizing multipiece act.

Their magical self titled debut combines the elemental sound of acid-folk with the baroque arrangements of late 60s chamber rock. Fully versed in the sumptuous vernacular of drug music, the cradle of Appalachian song, and the succinct truths of the three-minute pop ballad, Espers is an irresistible collection of sweet and subtle songs essential for fans of Fairport Convention, Pentangle, Jackson C. Franck, Linda Perhacs, Bread, Love & Dreams and Bert Jansch. Espers give us the sound of music the way it should be heard - with the ease, infectious grace and absolute beauty of an ever expansive trio bound for always greater pastures.
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OK, so they're a six piece now. Chris plays some percussion/bass, and they have a percussionist. they don't really have a drummer as such. so it's: two acoustic guitarists, a keybs/harpsichord, bass, cellist, percussionist.

sad thing is MTS, based on the crowd for Ghost the other night, most folks in philly don't know about them either.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser"

Dude bought everything Ghost were selling.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow night, i'd find a way to get over to the NorthStar. It's a banner day when I cross Broad St.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They actually transport a harpsichord to gigs?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Crap Tim, I meant autoharp. I have harpsichord on the brain.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

espers = the new bardo pond

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw them when they originally reformed (ie with Robin and his tone-deaf wife), five and six times, and , to be honest, they were rarely any good. Odd that Mike Heron seems to be leading the band now considering that, when I saw them, he seemed like a bit of a sixties casualty. I think I'd rather have Malcolm le maistre in the band than Clive Palmer.

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Sunday, 26 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Clive is a very talented dude. I don't know what he's doing in their set now, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What he seemed to be doing when I was saw them was plunking arthritically on a banjo and looking terribly embarrassed. Anyway, there's no way you can have the Incredible String Band without Robin Williamson.

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

So they shouldn't keep playing as a band then. They should retire instead.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Heron should release his own music and people should buy it in their droves - I know, hopelessly romantic

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

They were playing as a band. Robin quit. There's no reason they should not continue playing as a band.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd liken it to the Stones without Keith Richards - possible certainly but desirable, certainly not

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

But your point is semantic: they're not "the Incredible String Band." The point is not significant. The main issue is whether or not they're playing well and putting on good shows.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope they are but, when I saw them, Robin Williamson WAS the band

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

They're playing as a three piece for the U.S. tour. This from their website:

"The Incredible String Band will be doing some downsizing for their forthcoming US tour, their first in thirty years.  The economic constraints of transatlantic touring mean the ISB will be going over as a three-piece in September - Mike Heron, Clive Palmer and Lawson Dando.  This also opens the way for a more acoustic and intimate approach, well suited to the spirit of their classic 1966-70 albums from which they will be drawing the greater part of their concert repertoire.  Lawson will accordingly be playing less keyboards, concentrating instead on guitar, mandolin, harmonium, percussion etc."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If Mike is back to full fighting form then it should be good - when I saw them his powers looked pretty diminished

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser.
-- gygax! (gygax0...), September 25th, 2004

confirmed that otto's from rochester. he claimed that we'd met at a party once. i have no recollection of this [swigs vodka from glass]!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
otto is a good guy.

i got 5000 spirits today. it's great. yeah.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

it's good but i didn't get any that night, so it'll never be my favorite.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i got some. but not as a direct result of ISB.. we listened to Wee Tam though.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

rad.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
you know, the famous jug band's "sunshine possibilities" lp is really very good!

better than the c.o.b. lps, which are just ok.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

You gotta be kidding me. Spirit of Love is a great album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

it has its moments... i find some of the stuff on it sort of cheezy

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

Like what?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

Moyshe McStiff & the Tartan Lancers of the Sacred Heart is a MONSTER album, undeniably classic! wtf?? I would like to get Spirit of Love, is it in print???

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Hey! What the hell is this: http://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Senses-Incredible-String-Band/dp/B001K859PC
Anybody heard it? Worth the $$$?

tylerw, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:19 (seventeen years ago)

haven't heard it yet, but 'All Too Much for Me/Take Your Burden to the Lord/Let It Shine on Me' was previously on some versions of the Chelsea Sessions CD, was recorded at the same time as Wee Tam & Big Huge and is just as good as anything on those albums.

zappi, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:37 (seventeen years ago)

eight months pass...

I'll sing you this October song,
Oh, there is no song before it.
The words and tune are none of my own,
for my joys and sorrows bore it.

Beside the sea
The brambly briars in the still of evening,
Birds fly out behind the sun,
and with them I'll leavng.

The fallen leaves that jewel the ground,
They know the art of dying,
And leave with joy their glad gold hearts,
In the scarlet shadows lying.

When hunger calls my footsteps home,
The morning follows after,
I swim the seas within my mind,
And the pine-trees laugh green laughter.

I sed to search for happiness,
And I used to follow pleasure,
But I found a door behind my mind,
And that's the greatest treasure.

For rulers like to lay down laws,
And rebels like to break them,
And the poor priests like to walk in chains,
And God likes to forsake the.

I met a man whose name was Time,
And he said, "I must be goin,"
But just how long that was,
I have no way of knowing.

Sometimes I want to murder time,
Sometimes when my heart's aching,
But mostly I just stroll along,
The path that he is taking.

ian, Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:26 (sixteen years ago)

every cell in my body has it all writ down.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 17 October 2009 14:28 (sixteen years ago)

one day when the moon was full i thought i might settle down
found myself a pretty little girl
and i stopped all my running around
but just when the preacher come along
and he's just gonna pop on the ring
this funny little hedgehog comes
running down the aisle
and i don't have to tell you what he did sing

kamerad, Saturday, 17 October 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

highly recommend this radio bcast from 1968. http://ow.ly/eBVVJ

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (thirteen years ago)

The Clive Palmer book through Helter Skelter was a very interesting read. Not sure if it would be remotely available now. I got it for a couple of pounds a few years ago, think literally £2, probably from FOPP.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Empty-Pocket-Blues-Music-Palmer/dp/190513925X

right you can get it then.

Stevolende, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:21 (thirteen years ago)

huh didn't know that existed. looks good. i need to get those COB records too.

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:28 (thirteen years ago)

They or at least Moyshe Mcstiff was the main impetus for the setting up of Sunbeam records thanks to Richard Morton Jack having worked for the rip-off artists at Radioactive.
RMJ wanted to do the release as well as he could and make sure royalties were paid, Radioactive weren't so hot on the royalties.

Anyway, I'd recommend the Sunbeam Moyshe, haven't seen if they have a Spirit Of Love & can't find one mentioned.
I have one on another label, not sure which.

There was a live set from '72 on Dime in May. think it was pretty good.

Stevolende, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:43 (thirteen years ago)

I couldn't make it through that Clive Palmer book. Must still have it around somewhere. I paid top whack (well - £15) for the Sunshine Possibilities album a few years ago and didn't think much of it. Consequently I've got a bit of a downer on Clive.

Saw Robin at the Half Moon Putney a couple of years ago and he was excellent.

Bob Six, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:54 (thirteen years ago)

would love to see williamson sometime. i saw the robin-less ISB a few years ago in the US w/ Palmer looking very amused/ancient.

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

While my students were working on album-cover art the other day, one of them--triggered by having seen the covers for Cheap Thrills and After Bathing at Baxter's--asked to hear some actual hippie music. So I played "Dark Star" and "China Cat Sunflower" off YouTube, and then, just on a whim (it's not really hippie music, but it's strange, and great hippie music is almost always strange), I switched over to "A Very Cellular Song." My twenty-something student teacher: "What is that? That's awful."

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

Couldn't take the gimbri?

timellison, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:58 (thirteen years ago)

haha i put on A Very Cellular Song at work a couple weeks ago, my co-worker couldn't deal.

searching for sug woman (JoeStork), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:13 (thirteen years ago)

I tried playing a tape of the HGB lp on camp in the early days and it was viewed as unlistenable by Levellers fans. Gorlumme, how does one deal with people with poor taste?

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 October 2012 08:39 (thirteen years ago)

don't know where I got the initials HGB for HBD but anyway, would have thought that it would be more popular and even something that people would be familiar with. But no, people's noses turned up at one of the greatest lps of all time in favour of post-commercialisation Levellers. bleurgh.

Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2012 10:04 (thirteen years ago)

I thought you must be referring to something esoteric that only 'Stringheads' would know.

I think Wee Tam and BIg Huge are more 'accessible'.

Bob Six, Sunday, 21 October 2012 11:13 (thirteen years ago)

less magical though

Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

If asked to play hippie music I'd put on some "Gift from a Flower to a Garden"-era Donovan.

ISB is wonderful. Anyone that doesn't think so is lacking soul.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:13 (thirteen years ago)

"Glancing Love" and "Dumb Kate" are both kind of terrible and "Cold Days of February" is badly served as a muddy live recording (also Williamson chickened out and changed the lyrics). Mind you this album is miles better than the album that came before it, that really is a dog of an album.

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 12:02 (one year ago)

I think people were just bored of them by 1974 and they were bored of each other and heading in different directions, Williamson doesn't contribute much to the writing of "Hard Rope and Silken Twine".

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 12:05 (one year ago)

the only good thing about No Ruinous Feud is the cover which cracks me up whenever I see it

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 5 May 2025 12:05 (one year ago)

No Ruinous Feud is sounding pretty awkward on first play, true. These arrangements... hmm. Intriguingly weird at times, but I can't tell whether it's the kind of weird that will get better or just more solidly awkward if I listen more.

It's definitely OUT THERE. The awkardness sounds ingenuous. I can't think of anything else that sounds like this that also takes itself seriously, which this album mostly seems to.

At the Lighthouse Dance played as I was typing this -- pretty great! Not too far a cry from A Saucerful of Secrets.

TheNuNuNu, Monday, 5 May 2025 12:22 (one year ago)

Ah, I know -- with No Ruinous Feud, I feel like I've found my way to the party that Tull's Hare who Lost His Spectacles and Floyd's Several Species of Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave stumbled woozily out of.

"What, the escapees didn't warn you? You still came? Well okay then, welcome."

TheNuNuNu, Monday, 5 May 2025 12:25 (one year ago)

"No Ruinous Feud" is the only ISB album I can't imagine wanting to listen to.

Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Monday, 5 May 2025 12:27 (one year ago)

a fish on a dish
is that what you wish?

budo jeru, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 15:22 (one year ago)

I've been playing No Ruinous Feud a lot this week, actually. Such a weird little album.

TheNuNuNu, Thursday, 8 May 2025 11:18 (one year ago)

i'm looking forward to checking it out. i'm on a similar journey as you but proceeding chronologically. WTBH was such a revelation to me. previously had only really been familiar with 5000 spirits

budo jeru, Thursday, 8 May 2025 20:28 (one year ago)

Wee Tam (i choose to think of them as two albums) is i think my favorite ISB

duolingo ate my baby (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 May 2025 21:23 (one year ago)

They were also released as separate albums. I have the LP version of just The Big Huge by itself.

o. nate, Friday, 9 May 2025 00:19 (one year ago)

yeah it was a UK/US difference

i feel that WT maybe has a hair on BH in terms of the overall experience, but BH has "Maya," which is just about the best thing they ever did

budo jeru, Friday, 9 May 2025 01:34 (one year ago)

(nb i haven't heard a whole lot post-1970 so my statement is subject to revision)

budo jeru, Friday, 9 May 2025 02:39 (one year ago)

ten months pass...

As much as I normally love their commitment to conjoining the sacred and the profane, the shift in tone in "Ducks on a Pond" is kind of hilarious. Starts out utterly transcendental and then becomes a frantic fogey jug band birthday party stomp fest. Anyway, I'll take it

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Tuesday, 24 March 2026 21:35 (two months ago)

I think that's my favorite ISB song (and probably one of the only songs I like that features a kazoo).

When my niece was very young (2 or 3 years old), I was charged with keeping an eye on her while her mom ran a quick errand, and she had this crazy crying jag. Not being a parent, I had no idea what to do, but I guess my instincts kicked in because I sang this to her to calm her down. It worked like a charm!

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 24 March 2026 22:45 (two months ago)

They are the ultimate swings and roundabouts band - especially because it's so often in the same song.

Schlub 7 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 March 2026 22:45 (two months ago)

Haha. Yes. Though I think I prefer the jug band stomp interludes to the occasional level-headed Mike Heron songs where he manages to sound uncannily like Cat Stevens. (Not that I have any particular beef with Cat Stevens. Just don't need that distraction. It's hopelessly unfair anyway given that Heron's vocal timbre was unleashed on the world a fraction earlier IIRC?!)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 24 March 2026 23:47 (two months ago)

Forgot to bookmark and didn't see the replies. Amazing to hear that ISB can mollify a three-year-old, though I'm not surprised either

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Friday, 27 March 2026 23:10 (two months ago)


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