A.R. Kane C/D and S/D

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Ned did you ever hear Layo & Bushwacka's "Deep South"? (I've only been raving about it for five years now) - it uses the jungle jazz sample too, very subtly but very effectively.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

They were always one of those folks I've heard about but never to my knowledge heard, though doubtless I've got some mp3s buried somewhere. Have to keep that one in mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone ever hear "Frogtoise"?! It's excellent A.R. Kane identikit!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
Rudi Tamabala interviewed in the Metro this morning extolling the virtues of paying for music download in his role as head of Virgin's digital music service.

Venga (Venga), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

TAMBALA, I mean.

Venga (Venga), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

i bought 'i' recently, and was very disappointed.

N_RQ, Monday, 12 September 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

What disappointed you, N_RQ?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

it wasn't as punishingly noisy as i expected, and the guy's voice is ah, an acquired taste. i tht it would be more spacemen 3/mbv-ish (haha great vocalists there). is '69' more noize?

N_RQ, Monday, 12 September 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

...not in the way you're expecting, no.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Though the squalls of noise during Supervixens is a slight indicator.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Not really! Nothing on 69 is as noisy as, say, "Supervixens". But it's more, er, consistently spacey I guess (the closest references on i would probably be "Honeysuckleswallow" and "Down"). And no dance pop.

A.R. Kane don't really belong to that continuum of noisy stuff - they're much more post-Cocteau Twins, contemporaries of Kitchens of Distinctions, precursors to Disco Inferno and Bark Psychosis... the idea is "noise" as in not typical sounds frequently used in music, rather than "noise" as in loud, enveloping, annihilating.

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I remember being confused by i as well, expecting something much heavier and more abstract. But it grew on me inordinately quickly - it's not just a case of the outwardly superficial pop songs concealing hidden depths, everything within the songs is simultaneously light and deep, accomodating and disconcerting... but the deep/disconcerting qualities can perhaps only be perceived as such once you've internalised the songs. I think I initially thought, "only the last quarter is any good"; then it became "only the last third...", then "only the second half...", then etc. etc.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

i really like the opening track, but i was all 'huh' because it's kind of balearic, which totes wasn't what i expected.

N_RQ, Monday, 12 September 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I didn't really know what to expect when I got "i" but I liked it right away. "69" is the one that hasn't grown on me. "i" to me is just melodic dance-pop with indie guitars.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

what's the one with the reverbed out piano and even more reverbed out feedback behind it (ha! "which one") and he goes "before we sleep child." well, listening again just the other day i decided that one's my new fave.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

which one has the reverbed out piano and even more reverbed out feedback behind it (ha! "which one") and he goes "before we sleep child." well, listening again just the other day i decided that one's my new fave.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

(thought i avoided that. shit.)

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

n_rq, don't write off '69' if you didnt like 'i' so much... 69 is my favorite, overall .... not exactly more noizy as much as less polished maybe? nice and murky and kinda dissonant at points....i think 69 grabs you much more immediately, from the first few seconds of the album, than 'i'... everythings gone craaaazzzy nowwww....

capnkickass (gloriagaynor), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

A.R. Kane don't really belong to that continuum of noisy stuff - they're much more post-Cocteau Twins, contemporaries of Kitchens of Distinctions, precursors to Disco Inferno and Bark Psychosis... the idea is "noise" as in not typical sounds frequently used in music, rather than "noise" as in loud, enveloping, annihilating.

Assuming you're talking about The Jesus and Mary Chain, MBV, Sonic Youth etc (as opposed to all-caps noise), I have to disagree on two points. First, their early work (see the first half of my 'portable' mix above) is very clearly a part of that same continuum, drawing very directly from their immediate precursors. I agree that they went somewhere else, but many of those same groups did likewise (the Mary Chain first perhaps with Automatic). Your last sentence I think perhaps overly simplifies the post-rock landscape into 'those who would use sampling to make new random noise bursts' etc. Even a ostensibly throwback group like Loop (although they were maybe thinking of Pink Floyd) used that same approach on things like "Shot With a Diamond" or the earlier "Thief (Motherf*cker)", and of course Kevin Shields was forever sampling and rearranging his own sounds.

All that said, I'm probably just misunderstanding you!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I guess I mainly just disagree with reducing late 80s "noise" to merely "loud, enveloping, annihilating", as if the records of that time weren't also melodic, sublime, pop where the noise was mostly employed to accentuate the emotions conveyed by the songs (as oppposed to the nu NOIZE which I don't really understand - apart from being loud and annihilating).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

this thread makes me want to leave work immediately and go home and listen. frustration!

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I think my favourite piece if pop criticism is Simon Reynold's description of AR Kane's guitars as being like stalactites or something. I still have yet to hear any, maybe I will buy an album soon.

deep kid, Monday, 12 September 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Yes you should. And cheers for Spencer for that lurvly paragraph just now!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

69 is classic, and I've got the single for "A Love From Outer Space" (which I actually heard Tahiti 80's version first -- a friend sent it to me on a cassette of songs she recorded off FM4 in Austria years ago and she knew it was a cover but didn't know who the original was by). I still haven't heard the rest of i and I haven't come by their 4AD EP tracks at all.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 12 September 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

"I guess I mainly just disagree with reducing late 80s "noise" to merely "loud, enveloping, annihilating", as if the records of that time weren't also melodic, sublime, pop where the noise was mostly employed to accentuate the emotions conveyed by the songs."

Sorry Spencer I should have been clearer - as you say, it's not a case where bands like MBV, JAMC etc. didn't often create wondrous sounds, just that they usually did so in a very loud manner - such that "noise" has a double meaning in their work. Whereas with A.R. Kane from 69 onwards it mostly just has the one meaning (the only pre-69 track I have is "When Your Sad" - is the spelling mistake intentional BTW?).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

I need to think more about this moment when "post-rock" came into being. I might also do an early tracks yousendit. I'll be back!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Rumours etc:

http://www.myspace.com/arkaneuk

Hi

I have had a few early comms with the rights owners re the re-issue of some of the early A.R.Kane material (early singles from One Little Indian, 4AD and Rough Trade, and albums 69, 'i', and rem'i'xes EP).
So far it looks possible that there will be limited ed vinyl, CD and digital relaeses, maybe as box-sets.

As more info comes, I will let y'all know about it.

Best,

Rudy

The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Monday, 7 December 2009 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

Hope this sees the light of day, some of those EPs are the fucking tits.

The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Monday, 7 December 2009 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

Also, had never seen this before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRl2THJO_80

The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Monday, 7 December 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz5iEvo1PKU

cee-oh-tee-tee, Monday, 7 December 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

Pretty much the eye-opening formative moment of my music life.

cee-oh-tee-tee, Monday, 7 December 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IuDyitqbE

Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Monday, 5 September 2011 22:08 (fourteen years ago)

five months pass...

On their Facebook page, Rudy is saying a spring release for a 2 CD singles comp...

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 09:41 (fourteen years ago)

good news!

henry s, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 11:39 (fourteen years ago)

Would it include M/A/R/R/S?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 11:51 (fourteen years ago)

It looks like "Anitina" is in the running, but I'm not so concerned about it as it's been on CD numerous times. The early EPs have only been available on vinyl and I'm really excited about things like the EP version of "Baby Milk Snatcher" etc.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 19:28 (fourteen years ago)

five months pass...

At long last:

http://www.factmag.com/2012/07/10/the-singles-of-lost-80s-legends-a-r-kanes-compiled/

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

excellent

manticore values (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:35 (thirteen years ago)

The band, active in the 1980s and early 90s, have fallen out of fashion in the last two decades, and their name now means little to most people under the age of 30

ehh those who need to know know

manticore values (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:36 (thirteen years ago)

stellar news

t. s. idiot (loves laboured breathing), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:48 (thirteen years ago)

Hell, missed this thread revive. But I'm up for multiple ones! Great, great news.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 12:51 (thirteen years ago)

I love these guys — I just wish I could find more of their damn records! The only two I've ever seen in shops (69 and Lolita) were purchased immediately.

Austin, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 14:32 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

I just pre-ordered this from amazon.co.uk. So excited to finally have a proper CD release of the EP version of "Baby Milk Snatcher"!!!

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 04:54 (thirteen years ago)

Yup yup. Great to see this just actually exist.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 05:09 (thirteen years ago)

Can't wait for the Butterfly Child and Papa Sprain compilations.

djh, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 06:52 (thirteen years ago)

... went on to form half of M/A/R/R/S and make the most influential sample / scratching based club track in UK history.

― phil jones (interstar), Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:44 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

apparently this is untrue. Think it may have only come out this year, looks like what was released by MARRS had very little involvement from them. Trying to think what magazine had the story in. Was it Uncut or something?

Does look like there was more input on unreleased material I f I'm remembering right.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 08:44 (thirteen years ago)

They did the spacey guitar riffs, Colourbox did basically everything else. The proportionate contributions were reversed on the amazing b-side which hardly anyone remembers now.

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 09:16 (thirteen years ago)

Dave Dorrell & CJ Mackintosh also largely responsible for the A-side IIRC

apparently this is untrue. Think it may have only come out this year,

no, this was widely known within a few months - at most a year - of the single coming out.

itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 09:27 (thirteen years ago)

Wonder if there's any chance of further remasters of the lps?

Surprised that I still haven't seen any live stuff up in the 5 years I've been torrenting. Think they were pretty decent when I saw them.

Did they stop playing live after Russell left?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 09:27 (thirteen years ago)

Can't wait for the Butterfly Child and Papa Sprain compilations.

― djh, Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:52 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are these planned? Would love them if so. Trying to think who else sounded somewhat similar.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 09:29 (thirteen years ago)

apparently this is the article you're referring to

http://onelittleindianrecords.tumblr.com/image/28054460478

didn't notice this before but it's funny how anitina was basically built using small variations from the "word up" snare template. rudy points out to janet's control in that article, so it makes total sense.

cock chirea, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 10:16 (thirteen years ago)

17 minutes of them live in a current incarnation with Rudy but no Alex, live at the primavera Sound at the start of this month
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=563752

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 June 2016 10:21 (nine years ago)

The new album by The Invisible really reminds me of "A Love From Outer Space" in lots of ways.

boxedjoy, Saturday, 11 June 2016 10:37 (nine years ago)

any way to check that out without getting a Dimeadozen membership?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 11 June 2016 14:10 (nine years ago)

It wasn't that fantastic from hearing it once. A loud d'n'b-ish track and one more dreampoppy.

Stevolende, Saturday, 11 June 2016 14:43 (nine years ago)

Ah yeah I'll pass.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 11 June 2016 19:10 (nine years ago)

btw I hate this band ever since I got in a fight with my ex- about them, shortly before we broke up

every day, be sure you're woke (bernard snowy), Saturday, 11 June 2016 19:21 (nine years ago)

oh hmm, I see I have already mentioned this extremely interesting tidbit about myself upthread *shimmers and vanishes, like a radiant palace of ice in the desert melting back into the shadows of a mirage*

every day, be sure you're woke (bernard snowy), Saturday, 11 June 2016 19:26 (nine years ago)

Lol whatever, I had a conversation with Michael B about "Sulliday" when we met up in Lansing, and ever since then I've had a new appreciation for that track, and for 69 as a whole, as a sustained surrealist masterpiece

gate crimes legislation (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 12 June 2016 05:02 (nine years ago)

what were the details of this fight

akm, Sunday, 12 June 2016 15:39 (nine years ago)

three weeks pass...

Was this ever posted? Classic era AR Kane live off a cassette : ))

http://killyourpetpuppy.co.uk/news/flux-annie-anxiety-tackhead-sound-system-dv-ar-kane-u-l-u-281186/

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:52 (nine years ago)

Holy crap I need this in my life. Thanks!

mark e smith and brexit (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 9 July 2016 10:41 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

So in this song when he says "car-ar-pet" I'm strongly reminded of AR Kane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPT2QuCIOA

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 11 August 2016 21:12 (nine years ago)

six years pass...

Reissue set entitled A. R. Kive has been reviewed in Uncut and The Wire, but it STILL doesn’t have a price or pre-order! It sounds like an eccentric box, too. The first 2 studio LPs and the Up Home! EP, but no Lollita or other material from the era. Weird all-around, which is par for the course with them

beamish13, Monday, 26 June 2023 17:03 (two years ago)

so the Rough Trade stuff but the early OLI or 4AD singles... rights issue no doubt

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 26 June 2023 17:22 (two years ago)

I’m glad it’s finally being reissued, but I’ll wait for more reviews to see if they’re comparable to the original releases.

beamish13, Monday, 26 June 2023 17:26 (two years ago)

eleven months pass...

just got a ticket for the London gig in September :D

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 13 June 2024 12:59 (one year ago)

Nice. So many AR Kane threads

AR Kane - 69 : classic or dud?

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 June 2024 12:29 (one year ago)

five months pass...

The Wire cover story has sent me through the catalogue. I knew “A Love From Outer Space” from the time, playing it on my college radio show. But the availability of their stuff in the US meant I never was able to truly appreciate their diversity and depth. Thanks to the miracle of streaming, being able to hear the complete catalogue in these is introducing to me just how truly great these guys are.

Booger Swamp Road (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 November 2024 14:59 (one year ago)


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