I'll rep that album to death. I mean I can't really deal with it for more than a few songs at a time, but it's fucking great.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 12 July 2008 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I haven't heard that one in quite a while, but I can't say I dislike it.
I'd add Deftones to this list as well, as they made quite a few good records in the timeframe. And if Virgin counts as a major label, then At The Drive-In's 'Relationship of Command' was a big deal when it came out (it's since been reissued on an indie, so it probably doesn't count anymore).
― MacDara, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I know the 1st Clutch was on a major but they're not still on one are they? 1st Clutch album is the only one I liked funnily enough, cant stand the guys vocals.
the first three were on major labels. I like em all. self-titled one was a serious high school jam. I even went to an early limp bizkit show because clutch were opening! this was before they were really very big at all... but I guess they were still bigger than clutch!
pretty funny story about that show... me and my buddy got separated in the venue. so, we're each doing our own thing the whole time during clutch. then limp bizkit comes on. I watch a couple songs and then I'm like, "eh, this is pretty dumb. I'm leavin!" so, thinking I'll just wait for my buddy in the lobby, I walk out and promptly bump into him doing the exact same thing!
― original bgm, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link
one of my mates went to see helmet/limp bizkit and some other band when lb werent that well known here. He thought Helmet were better and borrowed my cds after it.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll definitely rep for Deftones, Mars Volta (everything except ScabDates is at least partly defensible, and the first two are close to great), the first two System of a Down records, Down (they're on Interscope, I think), Pantera (The Great Southern Trendkill was '97, I think, and Reinventing The Steel came out in 2000), Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, the Donnas, and yes, Muse - I have the last two studio discs and the live album, and they're all great.
― unperson, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I was waiting on someone saying Pantera. I hate those albums.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
infact i just plain hate Pantera apart from a few tracks on cowboys from hell and vulgar display of power.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Mastodon, Qotsa, Unida(I think was on a major label), At The Drive In.
Wrong, wrong, if you're talking about Oneida then I don't think it was a major... and wrong.
yeah er the mars volta are pretty major label aren't they, a couple of their albums are really good
Wrong.
Tool!
Gotta be shitting me. Tool = awful.
i'm gonna be CONTROVERSIAL and claim that Muse's 2nd and 3rd records were in fact pretty good
Not as bad as Tool... but still, wrong.
Mclusky count, don't they? Too Pure a major label?
Nope. Great band though.
You know it's bad when someone is pushing Muse as one of the better bands.
OTM.
Black Holes and Revelations was great.
You're on crack.
Honestly, Absolution and ESPECIALLY Origin Of Symmetry are really rather good.
You're on crack too.
as for the question up top, faith no more - album of the year. it's not bad. came out 1997.
I'll let this one slide.
I will rep for Mars Volta as decent sub-Floyd with quality psych doses.
Sub-Floyd, huh? Must be pretty awful. Hard to be more tedious than Floyd.
OK Computer springs to mind
Thought of this myself. Not exactly rock/metal... but, fantastic album.
Kinda feeling the first three QOTSA records.
I'll give you the first two. Not great, but at least they don't outright suck like the next 3-4 of theirs.
Monster Magnet can be added to the list.
Herman, put down the bong.
The Donnas Spend the Night on Atlantic, 2002, I thin', maybe a little later.
Gag me with a rusty fork.
Oh yeah deftones, how did I forget about them.
Oh, I know why... because they are NOT ANY GOOD.
System of a Down - Toxicity
Now that's a real stinker.
And if Virgin counts as a major label, then At The Drive-In's 'Relationship of Command' was a big deal when it came out (it's since been reissued on an indie, so it probably doesn't count anymore).
Sucks, but hey, at least it's not the Mars Volta.
At last, a voice of reason comes through. Thank you.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
(I don't have a better answer for the poster's original question, by the way.)
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Herman dont smoke and I was talking about Unida not Oneida (who are also great but definitely not on a major)
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
stephen why don't you check out pitchfork, i'm sure they've got a few good ideas
― Just got offed, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
and it appears that the 1st album was on Mans Ruin and the 2nd album which was on a major label of course didnt come out (Gracia sold cdrs of the unreleased 2nd album at Herman shows which a mate got me one)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unida
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link
not Oneida (who are also great but definitely not on a major)
Ah good call. Haven't heard (or heard of) Unida.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Louis whatchu talkin bout, Pitchfork-approved (or dissed) is hardly my measuring stick for good music.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
The unida album was great but sadly I was wrong about the label. I thought it was just the vinyl wasn't on a major. But i also have it on cd too and checked that as well just now.
The 2nd album is good so that label can fuck off for not releasing it. The official bootleg cdr i have isnt very good quality however thankfully A) there was a better mp3 version around and B) it was bootlegged on vinyl and is good quality.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Lazy zing, my good man. Plus your opinions largely seem to scan with theirs, on this issue at least. :p
Just thought of an absolute thread-winner: Catherine Wheel - Adam And Eve
― Just got offed, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Stephen > some Unida here http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=unida&search_type=
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Louis you are joking aren't you?
Why would I be joking? It's an absolutely brilliant record on a major label, and I reckon it qualifies as hard rock.
― Just got offed, Saturday, 12 July 2008 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I fingered through the CDs and outside of anything that mentioned, this is about it. It definitely was not good times for the hard rock and roll band on the big labels. Even if you add in rock on indie labels, it won't get that much better.
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
It's from 97. Definitely not metal, but I liked it though it wouldn't end up on a list of favorites of the last 10 years or anything.
I also liked Jesus Lizards major label album "Shot", which came out in 96. It isn't as good as some of their earlier records, but I still listened to it a bunch.
The first two Gov't Mule albums came out in the mid to late 90s. I never heard them until a few years ago, but they are pretty good old 70s style hard blues rock band.
I suppose this helps to explain why I was buying so much old jazz and electronic music around that time period.
― earlnash, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah Louis that's a fucking winner, great great album, top 5 or so for that year AT LEAST.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Sadly the manics dont make this list as their later stuff isnt up to much after everything must go. Same goes for Therapy?
Spiritualized,Built To Spill, Modest Mouse would make a non metal list .
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link
how about: Hum - Downward is Heavenward
that was major label... right? definitely their best album. definitely rock music. so so so good.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I have one for every year that I just love! Which is why i brought it up.
Nirvana - Nevermind (1991) Helmet - Meantime (1992) The Melvins - Houdini (1993) Korn - Korn (1994) Faith No More - King For A Day... Fool For A Lifetime (1995) Sepultura - Roots (1996) [Nothing for 1997. This is a terrible year] Hole - Celebrity Skin (1998) Deftones - The White Pony (1999) Queens Of The Stone Age - Rated R (2000) Burning Brides - Fall Of The Plastic Empire (2001) Andrew WK - I Get Wet (2002) Blood Brothers - Burn Piano Island Burn (2003) Say Anything - Is A Real Boy (2004) System Of A Down - Hypnotize (2005) My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade (2006) Against Me! - New Wave (2007)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I take it Refused were'nt on a major :P
― roxymuzak, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I realized I have an album like that for every year and just started working backwards into a list. Still have to stumble across 2008's big hard rock record tho.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Celebrity Skin > Mechanical Animals > Shape Of Punk To Come
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
White Pony is very nearly unfuckwithable save for Chino's attempt at rapping/talking his verses on a couple songs.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Whiney, you oughta hear the Hum record from 97 (assuming you haven't). pretty damn good.
as for 2008, it's gotta be Boris' Smile.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link
How about Pinkerton? I think that's at least a decent record.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, what major label is Boris on?
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:48 (fifteen years ago) link
there must be something from 1997 http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/
Esoteric tops 2008 and thats my fave metal album this year. Portishead is my fave of 2008 so far. That will actually get in some metal lists though(scott walker did with the drift)
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link
oh right, major. sorry. fuck.
― stephen, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link
(xp)
Hum and Weezer are indie rock tho. This thread is about HARD ROCK
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 July 2008 23:59 (fifteen years ago) link
definitely agree with Smile for this year (so far). (xp yeah i guess it's not on a major. damn.)
'97 was kind of a dismal year for music for me. i was just going through the rateyourmusic best-of for that year and it made me wonder what i even listened to that year. some of my favorite groups throughout the 90s released albums in '97 so crappy that i stopped listening to them completely.
― rockapads, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Mods should prolly add the word "hard" in the title, cuz it doesn't make it clear.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean '97 is all about Chemical Brothers Dig Your Own Hole which is KIND of a hard rock record, but not enought for the purposes of this thread.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Torche would take 2008 easy if a major label was smart enough to have put that album out and made it glossier.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:02 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe mods should wipe your ass for you too
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:03 (fifteen years ago) link
and the original post doesn't make it clear either
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Deftones - Around The Fur was 1997
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:07 (fifteen years ago) link
That album srsly blows except for "My Own Summer" tho
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link
cloud COOOOOME!
"My Own Summer" is hella sweet
I'm gonna listen to it right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9TyLtbsxmc
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:11 (fifteen years ago) link
one of the best albums of 97 but not on a major http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/harvey_milk/courtesy_and_good_will_toward_men/
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:21 (fifteen years ago) link
ZZ Top's Rhythmeen, 1996.
― Gorge, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:28 (fifteen years ago) link
There are a number of 2008's discussed in Rolling Hard Rock. A few mainstream country releases this year also do double duty as hard rock records, all released on majors. Offhand, Flynnville Train and Cross Canadian Ragweed come to mind.
― Gorge, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link
By the way, y'all can pre-emptively kiss my ass, because I'm gonna stick up for Disturbed's second album (Believe, 2002) and the new one. The debut and Ten Thousand Fists are kinda weak.
― unperson, Sunday, 13 July 2008 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Dang it, this is now far off-topic but you guys are prompting me to go sample the new Journey disc. If I like it enough, and have to buy it for my iPod, I'll have to post to the GUILTY PLEASURES thread.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 July 2008 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
and speaking of anthem rock and jeff scott soto, there is a huge underground indie scene for AOR bands. mostly in Germany. not the power metal crowd, but the Axel Rudi Pell crowd. a whole universe of fans who own every album that joe lynn turner was ever involved with. people who own soul sirkus albums! (neal schon and jeff scott soto side-project)
http://www.rock-is-life.com/reviews/img/soulsirkus2.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link
every album that joe lynn turner was ever involved with:
ICARUS WITCH Songs for the Lost 2007 JLT Second Hand Life 2007 BLACKMORE'S NIGHT Village Lanterne 2006 Single EP The One 2006 Akira Kajiyama and Joe Lynn Turner Fire Without Flame 2006 Vitalij Kuprij Revenge 2006 Usual Suspects JLT 2005 Eddie Ojeda Axes 2 Axes 2005 Iron Maiden Tribute Numbers from The Beast 2005 Michael Schenker Heavy Hitters 2005 Mikhail Men Made in Moscow 2005 Brazen Abbot My Ressurection 2005 Classic Rock Revisited The New Road Ahead Vol 1 2005 Heaven and Earth Heaven and Earth Revised Re-Release 2005 Metallic Attack Metallica The Ultimate Tribute 2004 Karl Cochran's Voodooland Give Me Air 2004 Hughes Turner Project HTP2 2003 Murray Weinstock Tails of the City 2003 Rainbow Catch The Rainbow 2003 Brazen Abbot Guilty As Sin 2003 Mr. Big Tribute Influences and Connections 2003 Joe Lynn Turner JLT 2003 Hughes Turner Project HTP-LIVE IN TOKYO 2002 The Tour Bus Radio Show The Road Trip 2002 Mountain Mystic Fire 2002 Hughes Turner Project HTP 2002 Baron Love Valley 2002 Terry Brock Freedom 2001 Joe Lynn Turner Slam 2001 Queen Tribute Stone Cold Crazy 2001 Joe Lynn Turner Challenge Them All 2001 Rock Ballads WTC Benefit 2001 Nikolo Kotzev Nostradamus 2001 Voices for America Special WTC EP 2001 Aerosmith Tribute Let The Tribute Do The Talking 2001 ACDC Tribute Remixed to Hell 2000 Joe Lynn Turner Holy Man 2000 Various Artists Fire Woman: A Tribute to The Cult 2000 Ozzy Tribute Bat Head's Soup 2000 Van Halen Tribute Tribute to Van Halen 2000 2000 *SPECIAL* Randy Rhoads "Tribute" 1999 Leslie West As Phat as it Gets 1999 Yngwie Malmsteen Inspiration (Bonus CD) 1999 Fandango Best of 1999 Deep Purple Shades 68-98 1999 Joe Lynn Turner UNDER COVER 2 1999 Joe Lynn Turner Waiting for a Girl Like You 1999 Vick LeCar Never Stranded 1998 Stuart Smith Heaven & Earth 1998 Don Johnson Heartbeat 1998 Niji Densetsu Rainbow Tribute 1998 Various Heard It On The Radio 1998 Mothers Army Fire On The Moon 1998 Guitar Compilation Sounds of Wood and Steel 1998 Deep Purple Purplexed 1998 Joe Lynn Turner Hurry Up & Wait 1998 Mojo Brothers Mojo Brothers 1997 AC/DC Tribute Thunderbolt 1997 Brazen Abbot Bad Religion 1997 Joe Lynn Turner Undercover 1997 Mothers Army Planet Earth 1997 Yngwie Malmsteen Inspiration 1996 Toshi Kankawa Toshi Kankawa 1996 Brazen Abbot Eye Of The Storm 1996 Rainbow The Very Best Of 1997 Deep Purple Tribute - Black Night 1995 Joe Lynn Turner Nothing's Changed 1995 Nerds Poultry In Motion 1995 Bloodline Bloodline 1994 Blues Bureau International Cream Of The Crop 1994 Deep Purple Tribute Smoke On The Water 1994 Mothers Army Mothers Army 1993 Yngwie Malmsteen Collection 1992 TNT Unrealized Fantazies 1992 Taylor Dayne Taylor Dayne 1992 Hellcats Hellcats 2 1992 Lita Ford Dangerous Curves 1991 Deep Purple Slaves & Masters 1990 Kathy Troccoli Pure Attraction 1991 Michael Bolton Time, Love and Tenderness 1991 Foundations Forum Compilation '90 Vol. 2 1990 Slyce Slyce 1990 Billy Joel Storm Front 1989 Paul Carrack Groove Approved 1989 Yngwie Malmsteen Trial By Fire Live 1989 Jimmy Barnes Freight Train Heart 1989 Alexa Alexa 1989 Bonnie Tyler Notes From America 1988 TNT Intuition 1988 Don Johnson Let It Roll 1988 Yngwie Malmsteen Odyssey 1988 Bonfire Bonfire 1987 Mick Jones Mick Jones 1987 Lee Arron Lee Arron 1987 John Waite Rovers Return 1987 Cher Cher 1987 Michael Bolton The Hunger 1987 Rainbow Final Vinyl 1986 Joe Lynn Turner Rescue You 1985 Official Soundtrack The Heavenly Kid 1985 Rainbow Bent Out Of Shape 1983 Rainbow Straight Between The Eyes 1982 Rainbow Best of Compilation 1981 Rainbow Difficult To Cure 1981 Fandango Cadillac 1980 Fandango Last Kiss 1979 Fandango One Night Stand 1978 Fandango Fandango 1977
― scott seward, Monday, 14 July 2008 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Hahaha. The new guy is like Steve Perry's mini-me! Finally! A good commerical rock album in the Naughties!
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 July 2008 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link
"there is a huge underground indie scene for AOR bands. mostly in Germany."
Scott, what kind of fans do these bands have in Germany? Is it the same age group that listened to Journey or say The Scorpions in the 80s or are there younger people into these groups?
― earlnash, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 04:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe dads and their sons?
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm actually surprised 1) that they haven't been mentioned on this thread yet, period; and 2) that they weren't mentioned in response to Scott's comment that "there are job openings for anthem rockers": Coheed And Cambria. Their prog reputation is overinflated; their songs are catchy as fuck and sound like 80s AOR/prog (Asia, Triumph) more than 70s bloat-tastic prog (Yes, ELP). Their biggest problem is that their lead singer looks like Sweetums, the Muppet monster, and his voice is too weirdly high to take them into serious commercial territory, but the guy knows how to write a riff and a chorus. They're probably the most unfashionable band on Earth, but I like 'em.
― unperson, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Uh not really, given that the vast majority of the best rock albums (I'd say this would be a near-consensus opinion, not just mine) come out on independent labels... -- DJ Mencap, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:06 (Yesterday) Link
I think that needs some qualification, particularly with regards to 'best'. The albums that most people liked (ie which sold the most) from hard rock and heavy metal are usually on majors, such as: Metallica AC/DC Led Zeppelin Guns N Roses Nickelback Pantera Deep Purple Foo Fighters Slayer (dodgy, Def American may count as CBS/Warner?) Thin Lizzy Iron Maiden Judas Briest Black Sabbath Limp Bizkit Foo Fighters Nirvana FNM Soundgarden etc.
Given the number of indie labels there probably are more hard rock & metal releases on them mind.
― mei, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
But Limp Bizkit and Nickelback are hardly examples of Good major label hard rock/metal bands
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
However, Soundgarden is a perfect example. Superunknown is one of the best rock albums of the '90s. But since it's early '90s, it doesn't really count for this thread, unfortunately.
― MacDara, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i was basically going with 1997-2008 as whiney mentioned 1997 originally
― Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 23:50 (fifteen years ago) link
the problem with this thread is that the only good one was the colour and the shape and ppl need to just deal with it
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
haha
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 10:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I was going to say Sepultura Roots but that's on Roadrunner so I guess it doesn't count...
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 17 July 2008 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link
But Limp Bizkit and Nickelback are hardly examples of Good major label hard rock/metal bands. -- Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 19:20 (2 days ago) Link
I'm not saying that it's good, just that most people think it is (based on popularity), which is different to what Mencap was saying.
― mei, Thursday, 17 July 2008 10:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Does Down's NOLA count? It was '95 (iffy) but came out on Elektra. That disc eats pussies like Pearl Jam and Nirvana for breakfast. It's monstrous.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 17 July 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i liked stone temple pilot's 4 album. from 1999. that was a good hard rock record.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 July 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
i would bring up nine inch nails on here, but i didn't dig the fragile that much and downward spiral is too early for this thread.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 July 2008 21:32 (fifteen years ago) link