teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

no1 shld make music we already have enuff

but this is a p good jam imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzzNTwgkegw

ital's "israel" blowing my mind right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRr3W4uQXM

that Xosar 12" is great

Just listening to 'Israel', strikes me how much this is really 'post-internet' house music, as much as I'm skeptical of that term. Is this Reynolds' argument in Retromania with NNF, etc.? I haven't read it yet.

Shout out itt to Rose Quartz for covering interesting parts of this stuff btw.

the idea of post-internet anything strikes me as really begging the question

as a point of fact, it is "post-internet", in the sense that some people only made house tracks before the internet blew up (armando), some people made house tracks before and after the internet blew up (armand van helden) and some people only made house tracks after the internet blew up (ital, for one)

now you can project anything you want onto that and it's hard to argue the point

i really like this ital album though i don't think it sounds like hipster house.

track 1: sounds like mark e remixing the chemical brothers "doesn't matter". hipster maybe, slow motion house maybe, but not hipster house.

track 2: sounds like shed! or carl craig's old psyche tracks. detroit techno?

track 3: i was just thinking it also reminded me of actress and then track three came on! hipster dubstep.

track 4: sounds like some EYE OOOOOO boredoms remix crap, still hipster, still not house.

track 5: this is the only one that sounds like a 100% silk cover looks, maybe hipster house

**** 1/2

actually the last track sounds kinda like moodymann, kinda like idjut boys, kinda like something else i can't place, like early gene farris or a faze action remix or something

this is not "hipster house" to me in the sense that something like black meteoric star or miracles club is

i agree with psychgawsple upthread: unless you really wanna make an issue of pedigree "hive mind" (on purely sonic qualities) is not any more outsider than someone like i:cube is

miko, no the idea isn't from that book. the term started getting circulated by Grimes

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and I don't see anything wrong with exploring the different connections in things. it allows the discussion around the music, and the development of the music itself, to become about more than just a commentary on form - who the artist references, etc. projection/reflecting/narrative building is a good thing.

I think the term is from Marisa Olsen: http://122909a.com/ But it's so vaguely/badly defined that it seems more of a 'vibe' thing imo. My hunch would be simply that it comes down to producing house music primarily from experiencing it via the web and internet (YouTube, blogs, filesharing), rather than the club or record store. The Reynolds reference I'm thinking of for the sense of network culture as basically involved in an immense archive, the future is analogue and archaeological.

marisa olsen is talking about things that are less substantial than the artificial categories she creates to describe them

painting is a meme? get the fuck out of here.

gnomic mindrave forgetfulness

I'm very interested in this idea, but how does finding and listening to music via the interweb very different from finding records in a record store, a friend telling you to check out a record. Does the original source of the music really make the outcome more of What? I'm not really into this hipster house, but how different are these guys methods of sourcing music really any different from a crate digger, aside from the amount of the work involved? I am missing the point of post internet?

yes

dude because when you find music by surfin the web, pictures of cats saying funny things pop up and control the vibe

JacobSanders, the difference is of quantity, access, and as a result more of an openness to all forms. things really haven't been the same ever since Napster.

and it's not like cratedigging was ever the norm before, most people, even hardcore music fans, usually stuck to one or two areas, and the exceptions were just exploring what media was making inevitable (and the Net would fulfill)

??

what is this inevitable thing that the net fulfilled

that people would become more familiar with, and open to, every style

and obv you're trolling about the "vibes"... but tbf those are the kind of terms a lot of the US underground describes/frames its music in - a lot of talk about 'vibes', the occult, media terrains etc. there's even a self-consciously 'memetic' angle with some of the newer styles, like a media animism trip or something... which might sound odd to someone coming from an outside scene/background, but the discourse here is what it is. I mean interpret/read things through whatever framework you prefer, but this stuff is in there

that people would become more familiar with, and open to, every style

did this happen? i missed it.

well, i suspect it has happened for a lot of people on ilx...

I'd say average music fans have become a lot more open to the various basic styles than they used to be, while hardcore music geeks accumulate knowledge on a much wider selection of genres as well. I mean, there are still some metal kids or garage rock types that don't stray very far, but I think that's become much rarer

not to say that everyone is an expert on everything now, but there does seem to be a new breed of hardcore music geek/artist that wants to explore it all (all as in even soft pop, trance, etc as opposed to just minimalism, kraut rock, Italian soundtracks)

did you conclude this through empirical evidence or what

the late great can you review steve moore's tumblr for us now

my review: it's 100% awesome and essential

my review: oh, i'm not the only fourth-grader who played car wars and read omni magazine in 1985? why didn't i make a career of it?

also is this tumblr supposed to stand if for some sort of post-internet embrace of everything?

if so why is it all samey hipster shit?

there are no h1psters anymore

but i thought you might like the panther moderns 12"/also have some insights for us

tumblr is completely stupid but the tunes man

first impressions: if i was choosing a wm gibson based band name i'd choose GOTHS VS CASUALS (from count zero)

the panthers are kind of douchey to anybody but a teenager - lupus yonderboy's adaptive camo hoodie excepted - though it would be funny to have a band called LARRY AND THE SOFTHEADS (maybe we'd call a track "mollys got a rider")

actually on second thought GOTHICKS VS KASUALS just like the book spells it

see this is why i call it hipster shit, it all depends on sly references and knowing winks

what i like about ital's "hive mind" is that it seems like a personal vision, not just a gloss or reflection of an absorbed cultural memory

clearly that's a misreading of the situation but i do think ital creates the impression effectively

ive never read neuromancer idk about naming yr ep after something in it

i dont think it depends on sly references and knowing winks at all, i think thats totally wrong, i dont trust your idea of what constitutes a personal vision, i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining, i believe in vibes, ok well w/e

i don't think there is such a thing as a personal vision, that's why i said misreading

did you conclude this through empirical evidence or what

meh, people that follow or engage with art/culture can sometimes make general statements under an assumption that others who do the same will have some idea of what they're getting at... I mean culture is messy (too much to really be all 'rational' about it) but there are developments and patterns, that if you're following, you might be able to discuss with others… (which was the case in a recent metal thread on the early 90s - it was mostly just based on our experiences). I mean if you disagree that people are a little more eclectic now, okay, but I'm kind of surprised you'd argue with that

i dont know how to be alive on the internet or feel things except to frame them or say by pointing or imagining

sounds deep but what does it mean

a lot of people I know use frame when they wan to say "say"

why would you be surprised?

being eclectic has been a thing with hipsters since the 1920s

also if you think things are more eclectic now maybe it's because dance pop rap and rock largely sound much more similar now than in the 80s

also you're all free to say as much non-falsifiable stuff as you want but i hope you don't begrudge me if i point it out as such

seems to me the argument runs like this

a. i know a lot of people that listen to kanye, daft punk and best coast!

b. the Internet was invented when they were born.

QED

hm, yeah there has always been eclecticism with cosmopolitan arty types, but I still think it's much more blatantly wide-ranging now. maybe that's an illusion as old new material becomes more familiar, thus the new sources drawn from always seem more remote and unlikely, but I don't think it's just that... going to have to consider that one a bit. :/

still think you're way off on this, and a lot of it is on experience, but still. you're more likely to find a metal fan that's willing to also listen to rap or indie (or an indie kid that likes dance or hip hop, etc) than you used to. there were eclectic hippies, or postpunkers, or whatever, but they were the exception whereas it's the rule now

really?

i remember in the liner notes to pearl jam's first album they were sitting on a couch in front of a huge ICE CUBE wall hanging, anthrax working with public enemy, etc.

i think the internet had been invented by then, though.

sounds deep but what does it mean

it means that everyone lives their lives btw the worlds that might be and the world that is along the lines of if

idk that a lot of times maybe all the time things just end up refracted and half-remembered amalgamations of other things like every track on the new ital record for you was a memory of some other track from somewhere else and that the ideas we have in our heads are just other ppls ideas that we picked up and polished, that we cant escape them but we can put a border made of those things around our own gloss or dream or fever

like idk whats the value in being mystic or purposefully vague when addressing the weight of cultural memory and the expectations of half-experiences except to allow you to be make inarticulate gestures at all of this...