teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

am i right in thinking you're at goldsmiths, ms butler? i was there this weekend and think i met some of your lot alongside cultural studies people, u r an intrstn bunch.

really enjoying Sacred & Profane Love, maybe because i'm kind of exhausted the dreamy droning quality is hitting the spot

I think people are more apt to immediately jump to what distinguishes 100% Silk from the more traditional back-to-Chicago imperatives that rebound through typical house

which people? the people in the early part of this thread sure, but who else?

I caught Ital live this weekend, he was ok. Wouldn't call it house. It sounded a bit like My Bloody Valentine being remixed by Moby at times.

(This thread... It used to be about HH music).

lol merdeyeux who were you hanging with? its a pretty small program, i know most people.

btw i am really enjoying the ital album

or well the tracks off heard off it anyway

i really like that ital remix of peaking lights that was posted upthread

i can't actually remember who! for once i did too good a job of 'networking' and met too many people to remember. i think there was someone doing a phd supervised across cult studies and visual cultures?

btw btw how much is ital guy keeping up his other stuff? i saw him do both sex worker and ital a few months back, but the latter seems to be getting major priority just now, and i'm not plugged in enough to keep up with it all.

yea i mean i am not aware of any upcoming mi ami or sex worker full lengths, but i'm not exactly 'in the know' either. i've listened to that ital album a bunch lately and it's definitely a solid house/techno lp with all sorts of modern references. (to echo other arguments itt) it definitely feels of a piece with other recent genre full lengths and doesn't seem to be cultivating any particular sense of 'outsider'-ness at all - dude's just a solid producer, it turns out.

ps - i'm curious as to what these strawperson arguments from the beginning of this thread were that people keep referring to as so misguided. iirc we were basically just trying to parse the music from the promo rhetoric at first, noting that *something* was different but not necessarily because of any valuation of 100% silk et al as being dance music made by outsiders, or even anything really based on the music itself. i thought we were talking more about the marketing - those horrid interviews, the preoccupation with hardware/gear, the 'live' performances, the retro-fetishist sleeves, other 'objective' hipster criteria tim was talking about, etc etc - and how that played into perceptions v reality of how this music is being consumed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgEE-fVslM

Not sure if L.I.E.S. Records fits into hipster house (whatever it might be), but the video sold me on posting the track itt.

new Mi Ami LP is due out on 100% Silk in April and I've enjoyed the two tracks I've heard so far.

see here: http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2012/02/time-love

or more accurately, new EP in March.

http://www.xosar.com/

^^ hipster or not hipster??

also file under secret crush of shame

legowelt connection = not hipster

Had no idea that Legowelt was such an influence on people until this trend.

legowelt's secret hipster gf shame

no shame involved whatsoever imo

Yeah, not sure what shame has to do with it. But there's this name-checking of Legowelt by a wide range of new artists now. I saw Geeta interviewing Dan Lopatin a few weeks back and he was talking about some dude in college with a shared iTunes folder that he discovered tons of music through, and mentioned Legowelt in particular.

I have vague memories of listening to Legowelt around 2001-02 and thinking it was another artist lumped into electroclash...

likewise, but I associated him with the viewlexx/clone/bunker stuff, which was lumped into electroclash rightly, but was the more respectable (musicaly speaking) aspect! He's friends with a lot of the techno/house DJs in NY like Speculator and Ron Morelli who, as discussed above, while coming from a solid and longtime dance music/scene background, are getting lumped into this thread/discussion due to involvement with these artists.

doesn't making a video with hausu clips in it immediately make you hipster?

oh the shame

let's return to deciding who can make music, that was a brilliant part of this thread.

no1 shld make music we already have enuff

but this is a p good jam imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzzNTwgkegw

ital's "israel" blowing my mind right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRr3W4uQXM

that Xosar 12" is great

Just listening to 'Israel', strikes me how much this is really 'post-internet' house music, as much as I'm skeptical of that term. Is this Reynolds' argument in Retromania with NNF, etc.? I haven't read it yet.

Shout out itt to Rose Quartz for covering interesting parts of this stuff btw.

the idea of post-internet anything strikes me as really begging the question

as a point of fact, it is "post-internet", in the sense that some people only made house tracks before the internet blew up (armando), some people made house tracks before and after the internet blew up (armand van helden) and some people only made house tracks after the internet blew up (ital, for one)

now you can project anything you want onto that and it's hard to argue the point

i really like this ital album though i don't think it sounds like hipster house.

track 1: sounds like mark e remixing the chemical brothers "doesn't matter". hipster maybe, slow motion house maybe, but not hipster house.

track 2: sounds like shed! or carl craig's old psyche tracks. detroit techno?

track 3: i was just thinking it also reminded me of actress and then track three came on! hipster dubstep.

track 4: sounds like some EYE OOOOOO boredoms remix crap, still hipster, still not house.

track 5: this is the only one that sounds like a 100% silk cover looks, maybe hipster house

**** 1/2

actually the last track sounds kinda like moodymann, kinda like idjut boys, kinda like something else i can't place, like early gene farris or a faze action remix or something

this is not "hipster house" to me in the sense that something like black meteoric star or miracles club is

i agree with psychgawsple upthread: unless you really wanna make an issue of pedigree "hive mind" (on purely sonic qualities) is not any more outsider than someone like i:cube is

miko, no the idea isn't from that book. the term started getting circulated by Grimes

xxxxxp

and I don't see anything wrong with exploring the different connections in things. it allows the discussion around the music, and the development of the music itself, to become about more than just a commentary on form - who the artist references, etc. projection/reflecting/narrative building is a good thing.

I think the term is from Marisa Olsen: http://122909a.com/ But it's so vaguely/badly defined that it seems more of a 'vibe' thing imo. My hunch would be simply that it comes down to producing house music primarily from experiencing it via the web and internet (YouTube, blogs, filesharing), rather than the club or record store. The Reynolds reference I'm thinking of for the sense of network culture as basically involved in an immense archive, the future is analogue and archaeological.

marisa olsen is talking about things that are less substantial than the artificial categories she creates to describe them

painting is a meme? get the fuck out of here.

gnomic mindrave forgetfulness

I'm very interested in this idea, but how does finding and listening to music via the interweb very different from finding records in a record store, a friend telling you to check out a record. Does the original source of the music really make the outcome more of What? I'm not really into this hipster house, but how different are these guys methods of sourcing music really any different from a crate digger, aside from the amount of the work involved? I am missing the point of post internet?

yes

dude because when you find music by surfin the web, pictures of cats saying funny things pop up and control the vibe

JacobSanders, the difference is of quantity, access, and as a result more of an openness to all forms. things really haven't been the same ever since Napster.

and it's not like cratedigging was ever the norm before, most people, even hardcore music fans, usually stuck to one or two areas, and the exceptions were just exploring what media was making inevitable (and the Net would fulfill)

??

what is this inevitable thing that the net fulfilled

that people would become more familiar with, and open to, every style

and obv you're trolling about the "vibes"... but tbf those are the kind of terms a lot of the US underground describes/frames its music in - a lot of talk about 'vibes', the occult, media terrains etc. there's even a self-consciously 'memetic' angle with some of the newer styles, like a media animism trip or something... which might sound odd to someone coming from an outside scene/background, but the discourse here is what it is. I mean interpret/read things through whatever framework you prefer, but this stuff is in there