teengirl fantasy, miracles club, mi ami, 100% silk and the rise of HIPSTER HOUSE: S/D

Agreed. Authenticity by other means, there's a reason why pipecock likes this kind of stuff.

think 100% silk fit far more into house in 2012 than 2002...hardware, analogue, basementy, more rough than sheeny

Well I agree with this but I don't think it contradicts my point, which is that 100% Silk is the "outsider house" of its time, in part because it actually reflects the values of typical contemporary house music such that it allows people then to focus on what they consider to be the points of difference.

i.e. there is a difference between strict sound and the way things are framed in terms of their social position vis a vis other musics.

In 2002 100% Silk would have been lumped in (by dance music fans - let's leave aside its position within the noise community for a moment) with other emerging dance-not-dance retro-fetishist movements (Disco Nouveau, electroclash, Metro Area, DFA/Playgroup/etc. New York revivalism, Kompakt to some extent) and in that context it wouldn't have been singled out, I think, as particularly more hipster or anti-dance or etc. than any of the others. In fact its interest in Chicago house as opposed to the eighties would have made it seem more traditionalist possibly (as I noted upthread, dance music has been reviving first wave Chicago house since the early 90s, it's not just a post-electroclash thing).

Whereas now that first wave Chicago house values have been so thoroughly (re)absorbed and (re)entrenched, I think people are more apt to immediately jump to what distinguishes 100% Silk from the more traditional back-to-Chicago imperatives that rebound through typical house like pond ripples, and consider those differences more important than they would have at an another time.

But yes, it doesn't surprise me that pipecock likes this stuff (though that also may be in part because it's all US and collectable and uses synths he recognises; I think these count as much towards ideas of "authenticity" as anything else).

i dont have time to post now but
a. who is the late great?
b. chris where are you studying

i'm just this guy, you know

but did you say we partied together once?

no i was kidding about judith butler

are you judith butler

judith butler could never be that concise.

i mean i was kidding that you were judith butler

i went to a party once, JB and KS from the same dept were there ... not a particularly memorable party by any other measure and i was out on the deck for most of the party (they were not on the deck)

end of joke

it was just my way of saying that i have love for cultural and visual studies too even though i'm very skeptical of its application

this was in the 90s, by the way

wow, you were there.

i was theeeeeeeere

'some of these band may have been to grad school'

now someone else say it in the fancy way

am i right in thinking you're at goldsmiths, ms butler? i was there this weekend and think i met some of your lot alongside cultural studies people, u r an intrstn bunch.

really enjoying Sacred & Profane Love, maybe because i'm kind of exhausted the dreamy droning quality is hitting the spot

I think people are more apt to immediately jump to what distinguishes 100% Silk from the more traditional back-to-Chicago imperatives that rebound through typical house

which people? the people in the early part of this thread sure, but who else?

I caught Ital live this weekend, he was ok. Wouldn't call it house. It sounded a bit like My Bloody Valentine being remixed by Moby at times.

(This thread... It used to be about HH music).

lol merdeyeux who were you hanging with? its a pretty small program, i know most people.

btw i am really enjoying the ital album

or well the tracks off heard off it anyway

i really like that ital remix of peaking lights that was posted upthread

i can't actually remember who! for once i did too good a job of 'networking' and met too many people to remember. i think there was someone doing a phd supervised across cult studies and visual cultures?

btw btw how much is ital guy keeping up his other stuff? i saw him do both sex worker and ital a few months back, but the latter seems to be getting major priority just now, and i'm not plugged in enough to keep up with it all.

yea i mean i am not aware of any upcoming mi ami or sex worker full lengths, but i'm not exactly 'in the know' either. i've listened to that ital album a bunch lately and it's definitely a solid house/techno lp with all sorts of modern references. (to echo other arguments itt) it definitely feels of a piece with other recent genre full lengths and doesn't seem to be cultivating any particular sense of 'outsider'-ness at all - dude's just a solid producer, it turns out.

ps - i'm curious as to what these strawperson arguments from the beginning of this thread were that people keep referring to as so misguided. iirc we were basically just trying to parse the music from the promo rhetoric at first, noting that *something* was different but not necessarily because of any valuation of 100% silk et al as being dance music made by outsiders, or even anything really based on the music itself. i thought we were talking more about the marketing - those horrid interviews, the preoccupation with hardware/gear, the 'live' performances, the retro-fetishist sleeves, other 'objective' hipster criteria tim was talking about, etc etc - and how that played into perceptions v reality of how this music is being consumed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgEE-fVslM

Not sure if L.I.E.S. Records fits into hipster house (whatever it might be), but the video sold me on posting the track itt.

new Mi Ami LP is due out on 100% Silk in April and I've enjoyed the two tracks I've heard so far.

see here: http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2012/02/time-love

or more accurately, new EP in March.

http://www.xosar.com/

^^ hipster or not hipster??

also file under secret crush of shame

legowelt connection = not hipster

Had no idea that Legowelt was such an influence on people until this trend.

legowelt's secret hipster gf shame

no shame involved whatsoever imo

Yeah, not sure what shame has to do with it. But there's this name-checking of Legowelt by a wide range of new artists now. I saw Geeta interviewing Dan Lopatin a few weeks back and he was talking about some dude in college with a shared iTunes folder that he discovered tons of music through, and mentioned Legowelt in particular.

I have vague memories of listening to Legowelt around 2001-02 and thinking it was another artist lumped into electroclash...

likewise, but I associated him with the viewlexx/clone/bunker stuff, which was lumped into electroclash rightly, but was the more respectable (musicaly speaking) aspect! He's friends with a lot of the techno/house DJs in NY like Speculator and Ron Morelli who, as discussed above, while coming from a solid and longtime dance music/scene background, are getting lumped into this thread/discussion due to involvement with these artists.

doesn't making a video with hausu clips in it immediately make you hipster?

oh the shame

let's return to deciding who can make music, that was a brilliant part of this thread.

no1 shld make music we already have enuff

but this is a p good jam imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzzNTwgkegw

ital's "israel" blowing my mind right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRr3W4uQXM

that Xosar 12" is great

Just listening to 'Israel', strikes me how much this is really 'post-internet' house music, as much as I'm skeptical of that term. Is this Reynolds' argument in Retromania with NNF, etc.? I haven't read it yet.

Shout out itt to Rose Quartz for covering interesting parts of this stuff btw.

the idea of post-internet anything strikes me as really begging the question

as a point of fact, it is "post-internet", in the sense that some people only made house tracks before the internet blew up (armando), some people made house tracks before and after the internet blew up (armand van helden) and some people only made house tracks after the internet blew up (ital, for one)

now you can project anything you want onto that and it's hard to argue the point

i really like this ital album though i don't think it sounds like hipster house.

track 1: sounds like mark e remixing the chemical brothers "doesn't matter". hipster maybe, slow motion house maybe, but not hipster house.

track 2: sounds like shed! or carl craig's old psyche tracks. detroit techno?

track 3: i was just thinking it also reminded me of actress and then track three came on! hipster dubstep.

track 4: sounds like some EYE OOOOOO boredoms remix crap, still hipster, still not house.

track 5: this is the only one that sounds like a 100% silk cover looks, maybe hipster house

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