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Sort of surprised (maybe I shouldn't be?) by the amount of evil-sounding chromatic riffs in this

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, there were a couple of times where I was like, "Damn, EVH sounds like Kim Thayil here!"

You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 13:33 (fourteen years ago)

this is kinda like a whole record of van halen "album tracks"

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 16:57 (fourteen years ago)

"How many roads must a man walk down, before he admits he's lost?"

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

I don't really even like Van Halen and this is pretty great. Could they have picked a weaker lead track/single? It's catchy, there's that, but there's such a yawning gulf in quality between "Tattoo" and the rest of the record that you wonder, what the hell were they thinking?

wolf cola, everyone (thewufs), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:04 (fourteen years ago)

yeah esp cuz "she's the woman" seems to have that classic VH sound and is obv an old track, i'm really surprised they didn't have that open the record and be the single...

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

i hate songs where the title phrase is repeated in different sections of the song or with different melodies/cadences, so when DLR says "tattoo" 5-7 times in a row in three different ways it feels like he's personally trolling me

unworthy of singing thrash metal at this point in time (some dude), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

<i>this is kinda like a whole record of van halen "album tracks"</i>

Yeah, kinda. But some of my favorite tracks on the first six were never anywhere close to being singles. And with VH, it usually takes ten listens or more before I start really digging into what's going on with the guitar, get familiar with DLR's vocal tics, etc.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:29 (fourteen years ago)

"Blood and Fire" is def. the "Little Guitars" of this album.

You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:32 (fourteen years ago)

i have to admit that when dlr says "you wanna play?" in "the trouble with never" i silently add "i'll hook your line to a stingray"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:54 (fourteen years ago)

They nailed it! How often do we slag an old band for putting out a record that is too modern sounding, or when they try to jump on a trend? And how often to we slag an old band when they put out a record that sounds exactly like something they did before? Somehow Van Halen managed to do both and neither at the same time, and its great!! its not the most amazing record, but with all the hype and expectation, they made a fine record that old fans can get into, and new fans can understand why they are one of the biggest and baddest rock'n'roll bands of all time..

SeanWayne, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:26 (fourteen years ago)

i like the line "Swap Meet Sally" in "Tattoo" because it sounds like a the title of a song that could have been on NWA & the Posse

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 19:43 (fourteen years ago)

Klosterman has weighed in in his usual equivocating, maybe, kinda sorta, liking it, except not really, but it's okay, way:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7561092/judging-new-van-halen-album-different-kind-truth

EZ Snappin, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:37 (fourteen years ago)

I don't hate Klosterman as much as everyone else seems to do, but yeah, I cannot fucking stand the way he never really comes down on a side.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:40 (fourteen years ago)

He would be a decent writer if he could hold to an actual opinion.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:41 (fourteen years ago)

I did like this: "To a degree, Dave gets a lifetime pass just for proving that humans like himself can exist in reality. The only way he could ruin a Van Halen album would be by not participating."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

But still he has to add "To a degree" to the front of it! It's a good observation and he should stand by it.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:47 (fourteen years ago)

"conversational" is his stylistic trademark, though, and the equivocation helps generate an off the cuff, just-dudes-talkin' vibe. i mean, i actually like klosterman, and that's at least as much a product of his writing style as his taste or analysis. he's funny, gently trenchant, informed about his passions but never arrogant or professorial, and he's got a clear, personal literary voice. you know not only what he thinks about the subject at hand, but "where he's coming from" in general. i appreciate that. he may be the dave barry of pop criticism, but but at least he's not feigning a position of authoritative, journalistic objectivity.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:13 (fourteen years ago)

"to a degree" is conversational?

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:31 (fourteen years ago)

as i see it, his style is conversational, overall. he gets this across in part by foregrounding things like indecision and self-awareness, as though he isn't under a journalistic obligation to maintain a dispassionate and authoritative remove from his subjects. i'm not saying that he tries to duplicate conversational cadence and phrasing in his writing, but rather that his style is fairly casual and he spends as much time describing his own position in the moment as he does the object he's ostensibly considering. i mean, maybe "conversational" isn't exactly the word for what i'm attempting to describe, but it's somewhere between that and the style of a personal essay.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:56 (fourteen years ago)

dude sucks

dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:08 (fourteen years ago)

Finally listened to this today. I liked some of the fast tracks, but I thought it was too long by a third and too loud by maybe as much. There used to be lots of space and dynamics in VH, but this is pretty monolithic. First impression, of course, but I don't know how much I'm going to return to this, bless 'em for existing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 February 2012 20:15 (fourteen years ago)

Shanks did a good job on getting the overall sound right, yeah, but there's definitely no nuance in the production that Templeman and Landee were so good at.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 February 2012 20:22 (fourteen years ago)

dude sucks

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, 10 February 2012 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

Six hour Van Halen special on the Howard Stern channel is the arena rock Rashomon. Worth seeking out if you want to hear all the stores.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 04:43 (fourteen years ago)

From the POV of a DLR-era Van Halen geek, Klosterman nails it. Why does a review have to come down to a single opinion?

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 07:39 (fourteen years ago)

yeah, OTM. esp love the summary in the 2nd to last paragraph. sure, the "to a degree" might be unnecessary, but that's such a minor quibble.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:59 (fourteen years ago)

I like Tattoo more and more and more. I seem to be alone in this.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:24 (fourteen years ago)

it has grown on me a little (but i still haven't heard the rest of the album)

CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 14:46 (fourteen years ago)

as a piece of music, "tatto" is pretty great. the only real problem is the lyrics, and i have the same objection to "stay frosty". when dave tries to be all comical, hip and topical, he comes off like a drunk uncle at a bar-b-que. and there's nothing really wrong with that, uncles are cool and all, but it does make me cringe a little. stop saying "mousewife to momshell", dude. i know it sounds clever in your head, but it really should have stayed there.

still, though "tattoo" is arguably catchiest thing on ADKOT, the best shot at a hit, it's not what the band does best. the eight-song stretch from "she's the woman" through "the trouble with never" does a much better job of demonstrating where VH are at these days and what they're capable of. i can't believe how sharp, heavy and focused this sounds, given that it's been thirty freaking years since they last released an album i could so much as stand to be in the room with. maybe the key to this is that they've moved back more than forward. as far as this album is concerned, it's still socal in the 70s/80s. cutoffs and empty pools. you can hear both the echoes of zappa and the inspiration that would later be taken by bands like the red hot chili peppers and the minutemen. thing is, despite this fealty to their heroic past, ADKOT doesn't sound like a tired, nostalgic throwback. aside from a few drunklish outliers, these songs are fresh and full of life, familiar yet totally unique. nobody else sounds like this. van halen helped define their era, but they don't have an ossified "period" sound. they just sound like van halen.

alex and eddie haven't slipped a notch in 30 years (or well, slipped more than one), and wolfgang is a better bass player than michael ever was. listening to this album feels like being knocked around inside a pinball machine or a motorcyle engine. the interplay between guitar and drums is dizzying, almost ecstatic. my only real complaint is that the sound is a little one-dimensional. when the band are really ripping, it works just fine, but there isn't much depth or subtlety on the quieter parts, like the unicorny acoustic intros. and the bass is given way too much space to stomp around in, gets oppressive after a while. still, this is a far, far better van halen record than anyone had a right to expect. though i have nothing against his writing, i think klosterman's kind of dick for being so wishy-washy about it.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:17 (fourteen years ago)

stop saying "mousewife to momshell", dude. i know it sounds clever in your head, but it really should have stayed there.

I feel like it's worth repeating: DLR seemingly ganked the "mousewife to momshell" phrase from someone else.

getting good with gulags (beachville), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:30 (fourteen years ago)

DLR not the best at keeping his thoughts to himself, it is true

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:40 (fourteen years ago)

it turns out "Tattoo" is based on one of the early tracks too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kCj0VfD22o

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:06 (fourteen years ago)

Wow.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:44 (fourteen years ago)

Has that awesome David Lee Roth scream/sound generator vanished from the internet forever?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:21 (fourteen years ago)

It's not where it used to be, but I'm hoping to find it mirrored somewhere.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:24 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.realmofdarkness.net/pc/sb/music/dlr/2

it's smdh time in America (will), Thursday, 16 February 2012 03:12 (fourteen years ago)

was there ever a time when DLR didn't come off like a drunk uncle? i mean, that's just who he is.

CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Thursday, 16 February 2012 13:57 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKTc9VaNIiI

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

Part 2 of the interview series

This one's really great, because they talk about the nuts and bolts of their first WB record deal and why it takes so long to make albums now as opposed to the one-per-year they used to make.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

https://vimeo.com/37045572

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:59 (fourteen years ago)

was there ever a time when DLR didn't come off like a drunk uncle? i mean, that's just who he is.

yeah, i know, but he used to wear it better, imo. this stuff is more "i-i-i-i-i ain't got nobody" than "ain't talkin' 'bout love". big gap there.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

Saw a "=VH=" logo spray-painted on a wall in Pasadena today.

From a couple days ago...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHUG9KxCZfo

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 25 February 2012 03:10 (fourteen years ago)

Was totally going to see them tonight, but I promised a friend I'd see Bettye LaVette. She was good, but she's not Van Halen.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 February 2012 05:03 (fourteen years ago)

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05lz4eh6I1qz5dqgo1_500.jpg
Van Halen 1, Flaming Lips 0

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:48 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

took longer than i expected, tbh: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/van-halen-postpone-summer-tour-dates-20120517

that's why god made kokomo (some dude), Friday, 18 May 2012 10:58 (fourteen years ago)

Who would win in a fight between WVH and DLR?

how's life, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:05 (fourteen years ago)

Wolfgang is a strapping 21-year-old man now, not even a question really

that's why god made kokomo (some dude), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:39 (fourteen years ago)

I dunno, man. DLR has always been into martial arts. Now, if we're talking a bong-off, it'd be a toss off, but I bet DLR could toss Wolfgang across the room.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:45 (fourteen years ago)

i expect DLR has a Batman-like file on each of his teammates, describing their weaknesses in detail in case he has to neutralize them.

da croupier, Friday, 18 May 2012 12:47 (fourteen years ago)


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