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I've been listening to Forget Yourself for the past week and I can't think of many other bands (maybe The Cure) that 20 years into their career puts out an album as inscrutable as this. No one track has grabbed me in the same way that "Numbers" did, but as a whole the album is one big sprawling splat of brooding ruminations. Can't listen to it as a collection of songs, but as a linear piece. It reminds me more of T.Rex than anything else and I mean that in the best possible ways.

Best since Priest = Aura. And P=A is my fave album of theirs.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris and Ned are taunting us, and I don't like it one bit.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

These guys are my brother's favorite band. I think they're like a wannabe Chameleons and pretty boring. Their only album I've heard of 4 or 5, that I think is more than so-so is Starfish- but their best of "Almost Yesterday" is 1/2 decent and 1/2 absolutely classic. Well, thanks because this is good stuff to pass on to him.

sucka (sucka), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

a wannabe Chameleons

As a Chameleons hyperfanatic, I see the point of comparison, but really I think they're two different bands with a slew of shared core influences in common, nothing more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of the Church's pre-Starfish albums are their best. Starfish is more or less where the rest of the world discovered them courteousy of Under The Milky Way. The Blurred Crusade is my personal fave, one of those rare beasts that you can play from woe to gowithout pressing the skip button once.

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

This isn't usually the case, but The Church's most popular album, Starfish, is actually my favorite. I usually dig it out every October and listen to it habitually for a couple weeks. At first, this practice was just a cyclic coincidence, but has since become a planned ritual...I may start early this year.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 11 September 2003 05:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Hologram of Baal is both my favourite of theirs and was, at the time at least, my favourite album from '98. But for some reason I never got the follow-up, as if one that album everything i wanted to get from The Church had been satiated. Was I mistaken? Will I like this new one if that's my point of reference? (I love Priest=Aura too).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 September 2003 06:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Knowing your current loves, Tim, I'm of two minds -- you might find this mere frosting on the cake in some cases, but I honestly think this really is a particular step up, at least in terms of rearranging and reinterpreting their own passions and approach in a (for them) strong new way. Even if the follow up (I assume you mean After Everything rather than the covers album) didn't work for you as much, at least give this one a listen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 September 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't wait to hear this new one! Going to dig up Kilbey's "Remindlessness" tonite and play it.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 11 September 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

[Box of Birds] is the sleeper in the Church catalog. Remedies both the energy crisis that slowly overtook them and their collective inability to write catachphrases.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Thursday, 11 September 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
Time to revive a bit, as the US tour is on and "Telepath" from Forget Yourself is so spectacularly good it hurts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Search: "The Unguarded Moment", the GREATEST! INTRO! GUITAR! RIFF! EVER!!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

And wasn't it all mostly improvised off of jams?

I wasn't very impressed to see them live. I mean it was interesting and all but they were doing a partly acoustic set and the recordings are soo much better. Maybe if I see them do a full electric set it'll be better.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Was this recently, A? Because the last few times I've seen them it's all been electric to my knowledge. The report of the Saturday night show was megasprawling electric stoned weirdness, which I'm all for.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

it was just after the release of after everything now this

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Blurred Crusade must be the greatest album released by any Australian band. Or maybe just the most influential.

mentalist (mentalist), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

neither, but it's good

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

for all his way with a tune, i have a low opinion of kilbey's lyrical "skills"

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i try to listen to him in soft focus during those cringe-worthy bits. forget yourself sounds so good otherwise.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.
saw 'em a few weeks back. they were LOUD and ELECTRIC
Marty is a guitar guru,& i hate this usually. the bassist wears shiny pants. kilbey could make more of an effort with singing but i am not comlaining
oh and they played the hits?

kephm, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
Revive because of this interview with Steve Kilbey

Much of it is Steve talking about the Isidore album he recorded with one of the Remy Zero guys (which I haven't heard yet), talk about the Beside Yourself collection of B-sides, and then there's this:

SK: I think it's definitely a good way to work, just sending files. You don't have to know anybody. I've been talking to, in a very, very early stage -- a mutual friend of ours introduced us over the Internet -- Sonic Boom from Spaceman 3 and Spectrum. Do you know who he is?

HS: Oh, yeah!

SK: He and I and another guy are talking about doing something together. So if it ends up being him just sending me music that he's done, or if it ends up me sending him that I've done, or however it's going to work out -- where he sends me a bit and I put a bit on top or whatever -- I'm very up for it because I think this is a really good way.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

A mutual friend, eh? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't me!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah well, it was a natural assumption. ;-) Anyway, that's most cool to hear about them rocking out on something, or wibbling out or whatever the heck. All Kate would need is the lead Sloan dude singing and she'd be set.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I must say I sympathize with Tim Finney's position. Hologram of Baal just seemed to me to be everything I could possibly want in a Church album. I found After Everthing to be THE most disappointing Church album ever, and though I do think Forget Yourself is much better, I have sadly been unable to rekindle my love for them. It may just be a certain trajectory of life events that has left me in this state, though, I'm not really sure. Certainly they were a big part of my life for many years.

Unearthed is superb, a shamefully overlooked record.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Search: "The Unguarded Moment", the GREATEST! INTRO! GUITAR! RIFF! EVER!!!!

All guitars in heaven sound like that.

spittle (spittle), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hologram of Baal just seemed to me to be everything I could possibly want in a Church album. I found After Everthing to be THE most disappointing Church album ever, and though I do think Forget Yourself is much better, I have sadly been unable to rekindle my love for them".

See the mystery of personal tastes.
I didn't like that much _Hologram_, while _After Everything_ sounded to me like a kind of resurrection...anyway, the Church = great.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
For the past couple of months I've been listening to this...

http://homepage.mac.com/fipster/church/sleeves/albums/back-with-two-beasts.jpg

And HFS is it good. I can imagine the conversation in the studio when they were putting this together...

Willson-Piper: "Remember when we used to make those songs with all the 12-strings and chiming sounds"
Kilbey (wistfully): "Good times but what rubbish though"
W-P: "Think we can do it again?"
K: "I dare you to play that way. What do you say Pete?"
Koppes (via guitar feedback): SCREECH! PLONK! CRASH!

*half of album is recorded*

All: "arrgh, sod all this! Where's that Sonic Youth album?"

*band records 20 minute song*

K: "OK, can we get on with our REAL album now?"

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Dang, I've been out of it. Has this been released yet or is this just a leak?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:33 (twenty years ago)

Dang, I've been out of it. Has this been released yet or is this just a leak?

It was released late last year.

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:59 (twenty years ago)

Clearly I must shop after my birthday arrives.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

I heard a song by the Church last week. It was called "Under the Milky Way." I liked it and will look for the 45 after I get a job.

naus (Robert T), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)

aw, one of my favorite things about the church are their lyrics. they've got the storytelling thing kinda like saint etienne except... it's like a really good D&D module set to music.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:28 (twenty years ago)

"Reptile" is quite lovely.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 04:25 (twenty years ago)

The whole of Starfish is quite lovely. Probably in my top 15 albums of, like, ever.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 05:05 (twenty years ago)

Damnit! I missed this too. Was just wondering yesterday what they were up to. Where's Tim Finney?

All the robots descend from the bus (Bimble...), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Apparently an EP called "Block" was just released last week. It's the single off the new "proper" album: Uninvited, Like The Clouds

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

my friend took me along to see bobby bare jr. last night and he and the band kept playing the riff to "reptile" between songs.

wangdangsweetpentangle (teenagequiet), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Heh.

So, this improv album and "Block" for my shopping. I can't complain.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I'm a bit confused with this "proper" album vs. non-"proper" album business. Is Back With Two Beasts totally a jam thing then? Shouldn't I just wait for the proper album? Argh.

All the robots-UH descend from the bus-UH (Bimble...), Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Hey all you Church fans out there, a new Church album was released on April 17th called "Uninvited Like The Clouds"

Come to my Church band Multimedia website
http://www.violettown.com

We are keeping up with all the media out there, read some reviews

We have MP3 samplers for you to hear as well as
a Podcast and many other great essential tidbits a site for the Church
would have to house.

So come all ye faithful
http://www.violettown.com

Glen Jerald Page, Saturday, 22 April 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

I bought the album tonight at a store near me yes I did!

Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Saturday, 22 April 2006 03:18 (twenty years ago)

Brought this up a few days ago:

The Church - Uninvited, Like the Clouds

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...
Got hold of a pretty good soundboard recording of a show at the Ritz in 1988 for Starfish -- the 16-minute version of "You Took" which ends it is something else...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

is that record really called "Back With Two Beasts"?...and it's a comeback record with two songs?...and I thought "Intensities In Ten Cities" was the last word in clever-yet-groanworthy titles...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

A few years back, I finally replaced my lost teenage cassette of Starfish, and pulled out my non-lost teenage CD of Gold Afternoon Fix, and did a little Church-nostalgia ... and at some point I came to this understanding that -- at least around the era of those two records -- everything great about this band was tied up with everything that was incredibly comical about them. They're melodramatic in an odd way. I can't help but imagine them playing Dungeons and Dragons a lot. I'm sure I've posted about this before: my favorite Church-nostalgia moment these days is the awesomely lame delivery (on a song called "Terra Nova Cain," of all titles!) of the following line: "I'll show you how the ancients once traveled / they used to call this a Chevy." They are so dudes who wear long black coats all the time, even in summer, and I think it's the ridiculousness of that fact that helps me love them. The guitar work helps, sure, but no matter how much you like the arpeggio and riff on "Reptile," you have to wrap yourself around Kilbey being all like "you're a real .... reeeeeep - tile" in that way to really love the song. He tries to be so sly, you know. Anyway.

P.S.: So long as I'm documenting hilarious lines from "Terra Nova Cain" that dude actually tries to sell all serious-like, this is the second best:

She said, "Will you help with our research?"
I said, "Take me to your leader."
She put her foot down on the oscillation pedal.
She was a ... transdimensional speeder.

Mostly because of that INCREDIBLY CAMP PAUSE denoted by the ellipses. "She was a ... (get this) ... transdimensional speed-ah."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

P.P.S.: MARTY WILSON-PIPER'S GIGANTIC HOOP EARRINGS

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco, you really should read Kilbey's blog.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

right there with you, Nabisco...I myself have posted here about how much I love the pathological dorkiness of Nitzer Ebb...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

So wild to see and hear Marty WP and Kilbey promoting "Sometime/Anywhere" - with an added bonus Jack Frost song - as an acoustic duo. Great set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7ARBOu-zQ

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 6 January 2025 01:10 (one year ago)

My first time seeing the band in any form was a stop on the tour they did that way in OC in the mid-90s. Remarkable performance.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 January 2025 02:06 (one year ago)

Yeah I saw them play the Uni Bar in Hobart on that tour. Absolutely no memory of it … for some reason.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 6 January 2025 02:33 (one year ago)

The two Jack Frost albums are a fantastic side project for Kilbey...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 6 January 2025 15:45 (one year ago)

Love the first Jack Frost album. I never gave the second much of a listen. I should do that.

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 6 January 2025 15:56 (one year ago)

(xpost)

That acoustic duo tour was also my first Church live experience. They were performing in a small club and I remember that SK seemed somewhat despondent. The part I recall most clearly is that they finished with a cover of "Cortez the Killer". It built up to an astounding solo by MW-P with his Takamine 12-string and a distortion pedal, that pretty much peeled the paint off the walls. One of my all-time greatest musical experiences.

Vast Halo, Monday, 6 January 2025 16:38 (one year ago)

The Jack Frost catalog is getting a reissue: https://thesoundofvinyl.com/collections/pre-orders/products/as-seen-on-tv-3cd

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 8 January 2025 04:31 (one year ago)

Welcome news indeed. Wish they said what exactly the third disc was!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 January 2025 05:00 (one year ago)

Yeah I really love the first one and struggle to remember the second. I even got to interview GMcL and tell him how much I loved “Trapeze Boy”.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 8 January 2025 09:59 (one year ago)

“Trapeze Boy” is wonderful, very evocative. The first Jack Frost was always my favourite too, but I remember back in the day, the cognoscenti opinion was that Snow Job was superior to it. I'd hazard a guess that was because it occupied a more familiar sonic territory for fans of The Church, being primarily built around electric guitars. In comparison, when they made the debut, SK was still keen on electronic arrangements (cf. the Hex albums) and sound-wise, it's all over the place. Which is a great thing, obviously. You've got the eerie synths of "Number Eleven" as well as the emotional and musical directness of GMcL's "Thought That I Was Over You". "Every Hour God Sends" reminds me of BAD's "C'mon Every Beatbox".

Vast Halo, Wednesday, 8 January 2025 12:38 (one year ago)

The third disc is a live gig from 1991

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 8 January 2025 16:16 (one year ago)

nine months pass...

new song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPcXgw8W9yg

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 November 2025 19:56 (seven months ago)

His voice has been a little odd the last few albums. Age or dental surgery?

mr.raffles, Thursday, 6 November 2025 20:11 (seven months ago)

I like the song!

completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 6 November 2025 23:53 (seven months ago)

one month passes...

seeing them tonight! keen!

Cod:Shellfish (emsworth), Wednesday, 17 December 2025 01:22 (five months ago)

this was great, was a "singles" show and highlights for me were all the post-Metropolis cuts - Kilbey palpably more engaged for the more recent stuff & fair enough too - I regret sleeping on some of those recent albums so was nice to hear stuff like The Hypnogogue and Realm of Minor Angels - new single was very strong also

was of course happy to hear some of the warhorses as well - particularly cool to get Constant in Opal!

upthread I called the Church inessential, since catching them live last year and then taking a deep dive into their back (and front) catalogue I gotta say that for me they hit a place no other band can hit - so maybe... essential after all?

Cod:Shellfish (emsworth), Thursday, 18 December 2025 01:45 (five months ago)

Very!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 December 2025 02:24 (five months ago)

It’s been a long strange trip

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 18 December 2025 02:41 (five months ago)

Turn down the gravity, this is all too heavy
I'll show you how the ancients once traveled
They used to call this a Chevy

Cod:Shellfish (emsworth), Thursday, 18 December 2025 03:55 (five months ago)


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