― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link
(sorry)
(xpost)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
for the most part, blacks wouldn't have gotten those jobs in the first place. also, there were lots of black minstrels--African-Americans who corked up for the stage.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
[[raises hand]]
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link
The mistake here is assuming that rap is the only form of blackface available to white people, rather than simply the most obvious.
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
There's a level on which I really do think it's an issue of identity and distancing. DJing, mixing, digital signal processing -- they've all made it possible for gangly white kids to approach genres they might not physically feel comfortable in (whether having to do with hip hop or sonic assault) with some sort of built-in distance; they're kind of playing the stuff, activating it, and manipulating it, but they don't have to exist in it in a physical sense. And I kinda wonder if there's some of that same removal that happens here. I mean, I doubt it's the case with Shadow, at least, or probably Diplo either -- but it's easy to imagine a situation in which a guy feels comfortable running off hot beats for some vocalist (assembly-line removal) as opposed to putting something out and saying "I MADE THIS, this is what I actually centrally do and put my name on," which is a slightly more vulnerable position.
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link
what's weird about this is that none of it really sells or garners even a decent-sized cult audience. or does it? I can't think of any examples that did offhand, at least. happy to be proven wrong, though, as always.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
the fact that people are ripping off the template. it reminds me of Elvis Costello bitching about John Wesley Harding sometime around 1991: "If you're gonna rip someone off, rip off someone who sells records!"
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
also, there seems to me to be a world of difference between 1) a white rapper who employs a lot of black slang and cultural reference points in their lyrics and 2) a white DJ who plays primarily music by black rappers. the former is inhabiting the same roles as black rappers, whereas the latter doesn't necessarily cop to the slang (although they often do, as in the case of, well, people who call themselves things like 'hollertonix').
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jockey, Friday, 27 May 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
as caught up in my profession as I can get, I tend to think that if an artist makes a decision, good or lousy, it's actually the artist's fault.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
are you you? or that other one?
― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link
Selling on what level, though? On the level of the artists they remix? I mean, Shadow and RJD2 seem to do fairly well.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Can 'machinery' be replaced with 'instruments' and have the statement still be true?
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link
Maybe Diplo is a good test-case in what I'm thinking about here: how do you think it would work if, instead of associating with M.I.A., he was making a record with a white rapper or vocalist from Philly? How would it have worked in process, and how would the reception have gone?
(NB Matos the Diplo album was maybe further marred by being a little boring, even within the post-Shadow genre.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
based on this - http://www.indiana.edu/~teleweb/T101/independent.html - El-P says Fantastic Damage sold less than 50k in a year, surely RJD2's audience is smaller than that.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
That's my inclination, too. Doesn't anyone here subscribe to the SoundScan database? This is like the millionth thread when we've tried to guess the relative sales figures of particular albums.
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jesse Dorris (rubber gloves), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link
RJD2: Definitely. I felt like I've played the consistency game. After Dead Ringer came out, there was the Soul Position record, the Diverse album, the Aceyalone record, all this s**t I did was basically normal Rap music, where I was doing this simple Rap beat thing and it was fun and cool, 95 beats per minute, chop your s**t up, whatever. F***in' moron music. I like it, but it's still moron music. When it came down for this record, it's like, what's the point of re-recording some other s**t? It would be cheap of me. I couldn't be honest. This record is as honest as I can be in terms of just sitting down and saying "This is what I feel." If I had tried to do another Dead Ringer, it would've just been a marketing gimmick to me. It might have gotten better reviews but that's not what it's about. I understand if people think, "Oh this s**t's soft or corny." At the end of the day, I don't get bent out of shape about it. This is at least a representation of the music that I like.
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 May 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.geocities.com/katarin3109/ZhuRong.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.holidaycity.com/rong-wei-guangzhou/map.gif
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:19 (sixteen years ago) link
can't we turn our attention to freeing t.i.?
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/z/fotos/zhu_rongji.jpg
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.nsbd.gov.cn/zx/ldzjt/images/17.jpg
so president bush-- the first one, the old one-- says to rhu rongji, "put us in charge for three days and we'll give you human rights, democracy and a free market." and zhu rongji says to bush, "okay, and we'll give you three 河南人 and america will be GONE in three days."
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link
FREE T.I.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link
-- dylannn, Friday, October 19, 2007 1:57 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^^this was actually funny.
here's another bush joke, big j
so, when george bush eats at a western restaurant in washington, he's always really proper: fork in left hand, knife in the right hand. but when he eats in a chinese restaurant in washington he's got a green onion in his left hand and a bottle of tsingtao in his right hand-- like a 山东大汗.
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:06 (sixteen years ago) link
haha the joke itself wasn't funny, i just loled at the random appearances of "rong"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't know anymore zhu rongji jokes, man.
http://news.china.com/zh_cn/history/all/11025807/20070406/images/14029511_366556.jpg
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bp0.blogger.com/_VXQinw7KBZE/Rxa_cSSjt0I/AAAAAAAAAYY/Uohe9Y4_H8k/s1600/Huaguofeng.JPG
hua guofeng, the forgotten leader between mao getting put in the ground and deng xiaopeng wresting control back. still alive and sleeping at the big 17.
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/photo/2007/10/16/20071015CHINA/20345322.JPG
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:12 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.cas.ac.cn/Images/2003/12/26/1618134.535276E-02.jpg
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:13 (sixteen years ago) link
http://photo.sohu.com/20050103/Img223765752.jpg
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.tzxf.gov.cn/upload/060814083648243.jpg
http://cimg2.163.com/cnews/2006/10/4/2006100401082077fe7.jpg
― dylannn, Friday, 19 October 2007 07:15 (sixteen years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/dec/30/audiences-dont-want-white-anger-how-white-rap-grew-a-conscience
― candyman, Sunday, 3 January 2021 00:47 (three years ago) link
isn't that exactly the same trajectory that Everlast and Vanilla Ice had?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 3 January 2021 03:05 (three years ago) link
Makes me think of when eminem started producing and people were like, God this is funkless. But maybe he was just embracing his whiteness lol. Message seems to be, everyone should just stick to their own. If that gets rid of Iggy azaleas shtick then great, but pushed to extremes, it seems pretty limiting.
― candyman, Sunday, 3 January 2021 08:49 (three years ago) link