― Kris P., Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― samuel hodgdon, Wednesday, 14 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Rob Crow will soon be given his due. With songs this perfectly catchy it's inevitable.
― Kim, Sunday, 18 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Kim, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mark, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Tom, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mark, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
And does anyone willingly use "indie rock" as a flattering descrpitive term anymore? I implement it only when stuck trying to describe music to folks when I run out of pretentious similies. (Wait a sec - there was that thread where Nitsuh brought up Pinback...)
That said, most of the bands that qualify/ied I still love dearly. And there's plenty of music/bands (Small Factory, for one) that was lost in the IR glut of the mid 90s that should be rediscovered and reconsidered.
― David Raposa, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 23 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ian's point re: college music is spot-on. Sure, the radio stations might be charting the Shins & Rainer Maria & the Dis Plan, but it's the non-"indie" rock stuff that's really moving.
1. bonnie prince billy - i see a darkness 2. talking heads - sand in the vaseline 3. new pornographers - mass romantic 4. cat power - the covers record 5. various artists - city on a hill 6. r.e.m. - murmur 7. johnny cash - love, god, and murder (box set) 8. radiohead - kid a 9. widespread panic - another joyous occasion (live) 10. jane monheit - never never land
i want to go to ian's school. heh. and who buys r.e.m. albums online when you live in athens, fucking hermits? i walk two feet outside my door every day and there's r.e.m. getting shoved in my fucking face. jesus christ.
― ethan, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Not a pop title in the lot! Probably because there are so many huge record stores here. The UC Berkeley top ten is a bunch of stuff I haven't heard of and Fiona Apple. The number one DVD in Berkeley is Pierrot Le Fou, but almost the entire top ten for the UC Berkeley campus is anime. It's so predictably weird!
― Kris, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Melissa W, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Damian, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. _All That You Can't Leave Behind_ - U22. _No Angel_ - Dido3. _One_ - The Beatles4. _O Brother, Where Art Thou?_ - Various5. _Kid A_ - Radiohead6. _White Ladder_ - David Gray7. _Play_ - Moby8. _Music_ - Madonna9. _The Green World_ - Dar Williams10. _Brand New Day_ - Sting
My alma mater is apparently too technologically ignorant to have an Amazon purchase circle. (The fact that there are 10 record stores I can think of off the top of my head within a 15 minute walk of Harvard Square might also have something to do with it. Also, if they're keying the purchas circles off of addresses somehow, the Harvard mail system seems to have been expressly designed to confound this type of data collection.)
― Dan Perry, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But, then, if we slide down to New Haven, CT (home of Jenna Bush), we find the following:
Clearly, this is indicative of the listening habits of the well-off upper-middle-class element that haunts the halls of Yale. It's also indicative of folks not keeping up with the times - psst, Radiohead has a NEW album out, kids. So does Portishead.
― David Raposa, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Jeff, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ian, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nitsuh, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The uniquely popular list is Dar Williams, the O Brother soundtrack, the Gladiator soundtrack, Emmylou Harris, Santana's Supernatural STILL, Enya, Paul Simon, and fucking Moby. The bestseller list is O Brother, Beatles 1, Enya, new U2, Dar Williams, Paul Simon, Santana, Emmylou Harris, fucking Moby, and Mark Knopfler. I think the similarity is significant. There's not much in the way of music stores around the school either.
For the U of Minnesota (it doesn't split it down by campus, so the other cities with campuses may fuck things up but probably not by much):
The uniquely popular list is Butch Thompson and Laura Sewell, the Blenders, Miles' Complete Live at the Plugged Nickel, Stacey Earle, Puccini's Turandot, Semisonic, Mississippi John Hurt, the O Brother soundtrack, the last Sleater-Kinney, and Bell. The bestseller list is O Brother, Beatles 1, Eva Cassidy, U2, Enya, Dido, Emmylou Harris, David Gray, Mark Knopfler, and Paul Simon.
If I look at the Minneapolis circles instead the uniquely popular list gets a bit more arty (?) and the other stays the same. Since a large number of UM students would list their addresses as being just in Mpls or somewhere close, and not the U of M, this may be significant. I wonder what one of the little liberal arts colleges around the Cities would have on its lists, but I'm getting bored.
― Josh, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― suzy, Saturday, 27 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 24 August 2002 04:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 24 August 2002 06:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
-- "Hardcore" was used by early-'80s punks to set their culture apart from the first wave of UK punk and CBGB bands.
-- "New Wave" was used by bands or club owners who didn't like the stigma of "punk" or "hardcore."
-- "College rock" referred to college-radio staples like R.E.M. and the Smiths, bands that were neither New Wave nor hardcore.
-- "Emocore," later "emo," was a cathartic response to macho D.C. hardcore, created by Rites of Spring and other Washington hardcore bands in the mid-'80s.
-- "Indie rock" became a late-'90s term for bands on independent labels who wanted nothing to do with punk. "Indie" also denoted self-avowed punks (e.g. Beat Happening) who didn't care whether you thought they were punk or not. Now "indie" is associated with anything that sounds like these bands, regardless of whether they subscribe to the DIY ethos. It also refers to bands that play the club circuit established by non-corporate bands.
-- "Grunge" came into wider use in the mid-to-late '80s to describe any heavy, dirty band that wasn't metal. Then it became a media buzzword after "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
-- "Alternative" or "alt-rock" followed a similar route, but was originally rooted in the whole idea of alternative media and alternative culture.
-- "Hardcore" was "reclaimed" by late '80s punks to set their culture apart from "college rock," "emo," "indie," "grunge," and "alternative."
Also-rans: Underground, DIY, New Music, Love Rock, Post-Hardcore, Post-Punk, Underground Pop, Goth, Industrial, Speedmetal, Grindcore, etc.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 24 August 2002 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Funny, but there isn't a genre named above that wasn't coined before the '90s.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 24 August 2002 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Alpha (Lord Custos Alpha), Saturday, 24 August 2002 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 24 August 2002 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 August 2002 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donut bitch, Saturday, 24 August 2002 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 24 August 2002 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
(Answer: you already have)
(Reply: so why aren't I richer??)
― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Saturday, 24 August 2002 22:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 24 August 2002 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
Now for bestsellers here:1.V/A "O Brother, Where Are Thou?" Soundtrack2.THE BEATLES "1"3.DIDO "No Angel"4.U2 "All That You Can't Leave Behind"5.DAVE MATTHEWS BAND "Everyday"6.DAVID GRAY "White Ladder"7.SADE "Lovers Rock"8.EVA CASSIDY "Songbird"9.ENYA "A Day Without Rain"10.COLDPLAY "Parachutes"All in all, pyook!
― donut bitch, Sunday, 25 August 2002 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 April 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sym (shmuel), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago) link
Exactly like SFA, Beck, Flaming Lips, Manitoba and lots of others have done.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:16 (twenty years ago) link
Meh.
― Stupid (Stupid), Friday, 6 February 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link
emo existed back in 2000?
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJzAoxvWizw
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
^good song but I tend to use EMO to describe nasally, whiny, childish, dramatic and/or flowery vox that really grate on me. And apparently I am more prone to hating these voices as apparent by various indie threads on ILM. Then again, even I like a few singers with nasally, whiny, childish, dramatic and/or flowery vox. Just not as many as everyone else.
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Heady days, heady days:http://www.fourfa.com/
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i find that when i speak to younger people (I'm 32) they have a wildly differing idea of what "emo" means than I do.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
!: http://xconditionedx.blogspot.com/2008/05/90s-emo.html
tylerw OTM
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
and then i'm like: "young people! let's get our emo facts right!"
― tylerw, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
'emo' should remain an insult imo. even in conjunction with music
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
how in the living hell is rye coaltion emo???
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i have a braid record on vinyl.
emo changed again after this thread. What generation of emo is it now?
― Cosmic Slop, Friday, 14 August 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
Did we really let the twentieth anniversary of this thread go entirely unmarked? I suppose we were all a little distracted.
― Matt DC, Monday, 31 August 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link
There's an analogy between the Five Colleges and Scooby-Doo, with each school a different character. Hampshire is Shaggy. Will Oldham is an alum; he's probably as close to the stereotypical Hampshire student as anyone (hyperintellectual, violently odd, stupidly pretentious).Sorry to correct 20-yr-old misinfo, but Oldham didn’t go to Hampshire. (He attended Brown, but didn’t graduate)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Monday, 31 August 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
(Maybe this was pointed out later in the thread, I stopped reading at that point)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Monday, 31 August 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
Lol
― Two Little Hit Parades (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 August 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
they were probably mixed up with Elliot Smith.
Tom's blog from the first post is still archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20001206155500/http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/2000_08_20_singlesa.html
Apparently the offending emo bands were Get Up Kids and Samiam.
― peace, man, Monday, 31 August 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
what is indie rock's "What's Going On"
― life is beauitul (rip van wanko), Monday, 31 August 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link
^"Float On"
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Monday, 31 August 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link