ILM'S TOP 77 TRACKS of 2011 (Los resultados!)

id say youre pretty far on the side of not really using ilx to find out about music compared to most ilxors

there is no other ilx poster who makes such a big show of being unbothered to vote but who is so keen to dissect the results afterwards, is it a means of pre-emptively absolving yourself?

lol lex otm

that said,

i honestly don't know how people can pay attention to each others' tastes as much as they do here

certain posters are def tastemakers, and despite being a pain in the ass a lot of the time, deej is one of the best at tipping people off to shit both new and old

people appear to largely believe azealia banks to be a talented rapper, it seems

its a TRACKS poll not a BEST RAPPER poll

Also remember the crews aren't monoliths. I voted for mostly dance stuff but was unfamiliar with half the dance stuff that placed. (I guess the dance folks might be at the extreme for fragmentation among themselves though, but such is the nature of the genre. I wouldn't be that surprised if the metallers are the same way.)

I think jaymc and deej and others are right that the results of the tracks polls have changed over the last few years, have become more eccentric and subjective...more uniquely ilm and less p4k/p&j-centric (and much more ecclectic and interesting). To me it seems like it's a not a result of separate cliques and fragmentation so much as increasing confidence and influence and interaction of multiple voices here from all ends of the spectrum – maybe because people have gotten to know each other better as the board evolves resulting in more amalgamation of distinct tastes? - that kind of shepherds the flow of energy on multiple levels/in diff spheres into unusual places, directing everybody to listen to new things. I think that explains a lot of what showed up in this year's tracks poll

i honestly don't know how people can pay attention to each others' tastes as much as they do here, and i don't mean that in a snarky way (much). i can barely keep up with all the music i want to listen to, can't begin to try to follow what anyone else wants to me to listen to.

i use the time i wouldve devoted to polling every one of staind's studio albums

yes, i also think that the poll results themselves are sort of pushing ILM to listen to/champion and ultimately vote for a wider array of stuff

that was an xpost

most people on ilx have diverse tastes (fancy that) and will be in more than one crew, even if they're less vocal in some than others

I would wager that "most people on ilx" are not in any crews at all.

they're in the biggest crew of all - the lurker crew

"crews" are just people who have similar taste to each other, as one will naturally find if one posts on a music board for nearly a decade. there's nothing scary or untoward about the word

i feel like you're fighting phantoms, lex

i don't feel like i'm fighting anything, isn't that jaymc?

jaymc i was wondering whether you'd rather the ILM list was more like P&J/P4K? b/c those lists certainly have inbuilt biases of their own that means they overlook a shit ton of amazing music. the ILM list has traditionally excelled at unearthing a lot of that. it's not designed to be a reassurance that you're still keeping up like you did when you were younger.

I didn't mean that the crews are all autonomous separate things (obv they aren't), more that to my mind the tracks themselves (as a conglomerate) more strongly reflected this porousness than in the last few years.

is there a spotify playlist for these?

i use the time i wouldve devoted to polling every one of staind's studio albums

― Lamp, Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:07 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thanks smartass but fwiw i meant i have limited time to listen to music or look for music to listen to, as opposed to ilx posting that i can kill lots of time with in situations where i can't necessarily listen to anything

i think it's at the top of the ballots thread BUT it is also woefully incomplete. if you listen on spotify, you don't get "sade", for instance. no "sade" no credibility

xp

lex when are you gonna stop being appalled that spotify doesn't have every song ever made

thanks lex - will look it out

guess a youtube playlist wd've been better

"Sade" weirdly wasn't on youtube for ages either but the plus side was it meant I discovered that amazing amateur video clip on vimeo.

lex when are you gonna stop being appalled that spotify doesn't have every song ever made

it's just concerning that people defaulting to spotify exclusively for music consumption effectively erases non-spotify songs from existence for them.

"sade" was weirdly absent from the internet last year for a song that was given away free. some people said the youtube i uploaded of it had been taken down but i can still watch it?

But seriously:

http://vimeo.com/28460433

it's just concerning that people defaulting to spotify exclusively for music consumption effectively erases non-spotify songs from existence for them.

this has never been true for itunes or any other popular means of consuming music. if it was, "Sade" wouldn't have even placed in the poll. it's amazing and unprecedented that we even HAVE a way to so easily assemble and share a playlist of all the songs that placed in this poll, and you're just sitting around bitching that it's only 95% complete or whatever.

it's just concerning that people defaulting to spotify exclusively for music consumption effectively erases non-spotify songs from existence for them.

As some dude already pointed out, when has this ever been the case? There has never been a complete library, music store or archive anywhere offering all music. Your statement is entirely "glass is half empty", as Spotify is one of the most complete musical databases free to enter ever, and most likely it will only expand.

youtube is way more exhaustive! hardly anything missing, and easy to u/l yourself if it is.

isn't the trend towards more record labels pulling music off spotify cuz it's not economically beneficial for them? i know several smaller labels refuse to have anything to do with it.

there is TONS of music that is not on youtube

among a dozen other reasons why i would never use it as my primary vessel for listening to music

you can upload music easily to youtube though.

not that i use it ever either, shitty sound quality innit. i need mp3s! so i can put stuff on my ipod and listen on the go.

cozen there is a yt playlist (missing confounded's song and sade though) :

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0CFEB9BF2C7D6204&feature=mh_lolz

v cool Jibe. Thanks!

jaymc i was wondering whether you'd rather the ILM list was more like P&J/P4K? b/c those lists certainly have inbuilt biases of their own that means they overlook a shit ton of amazing music. the ILM list has traditionally excelled at unearthing a lot of that. it's not designed to be a reassurance that you're still keeping up like you did when you were younger.

Ultimately, no, I'd rather it not be like P&J/P4K. As I said before, I'm glad that the ILM list is different enough to expose me to music I wouldn't have otherwise heard.

If I'm looking for a reassurance at this point, it's a reassurance that I fit in on ILM, despite not self-identifying with any of the crews that are now apparently the chief organizing factor of social interaction on the board.

The thing is, for all the talk of ILM's list being eclectic, it isn't really as eclectic as all that. Where is the modern jazz? Where is the classical? Where is the DIY punk? Where is the avant-garde? Where is the non-mainstream/major-label indie? And I'm sure the metal crew will be happy to point out - where is the metal? And for me, well, I'm asking, where is the J-Pop? Where is the experimental folk?

I know that a lot of these genres will be covered in the albums list, and I'm sure some people will argue that these genres are better suited to album-length format, but I don't think that's true of all of them at all.

I think ILX is eclectic - I definitely don't think the list is eclectic (this is not a criticism of the list - and my own ballot was far far narrower than the overall list)

sorry that didn't read well, I think the board is eclectic, but not the EOY list

Oh yeah, I agree with that. And I do think the EoY list is reasonably eclectic in comparison to some others, but it's not the shining beacon of eclecticness that some people have seemed to claim.

I think when ILM started in 2000, there was a distinct difference from the critical orthodoxy (poptimism, etc.)

Was 'poptimism' the critical orthodoxy then? iirc, it didn't become a thing until the middle of last decade.

A lot of classical/modern jazz/avant-garde is v difficult to isolate in track like chunks that you could include in a poll.

I think he was saying that poptimism influence was an ILM thing, not the critical orthodoxy?

agree that the ILM list is probably mostly eclectic in comparison to others. No list is going to be as diverse as individual tastes

ILM doesn't seem to be a big forum for classical, jazz, improv, field recordings, etc. I Hate Music focuses on that but doesn't have a lot of traffic. I kind of wish IHM would do it's own poll (of albums) because I think it would be an interesting list

Oh yes, of course...totally misread jaymc there.

ILM has had its ups and downs on the improv/classical/jazz front - depends who is about but I've always liked that this stuff could be discussed alongside all the threads on R&B/rap/pop in a single page.

If I were to make a rub generalisation, as a msg board ILM has always been set up from the outset to encourage people to look at music in a very open and generous way (that sensibility that o.nate talks about and finds it hard to describe) which means that everything is up for discussion. So I wouldn't want an IHM poll.

I've posted a bit on classical boards and (looking back, so another bad generalisation) because of the general outlook on music that the people posting on it had it seemed to shoot itself. That board is no longer in existence.

So a message board has to encourage a wide range of music and subjects - which this does, even if this isn't reflected in its annual poll.

Not saying its all hunky dory by any means, talk earlier on this thread on how to bring a bigger mass of people together to talk about things will always be a problem.

There always seems to be more threads and music than people.

Is I Hate Music some weird brother in the attic of ILM? On first glance I can get into a lot of what they cover but I could never imagine spending time there. It all gives the impression that music is serious and never fun.

i think spotify is annoying too. 90% of what i want to listen to isnt on there, not the other way around, at least when it comes to new music

lol brother in the attic, yeah I agree, but some of my favorite recordings of 2011 were ones they covered, stuff that wouldn't have been appropriate to even nominate in the ILM poll

seandalai - yes, I always wondered about who put that msg board up in the first place. As a sometime lurker (just couldn't be arsed after posting about 50 threads over the years on stuff that is covered there) it has its factional arguments, like every board. Maybe its because it has crappy board design, is in black, etc. But its not that serious. xp

(er I mean it would've felt like re-posting stuff I had already 'covered' on ILM threads, etc.)

i used to post there years and years ago

But seriously:

http://vimeo.com/28460433

― Tim F, Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:25 AM Bookmark

Whoa.

I've really enjoyed reading this thread and listening to the Spotify. I could have done without hearing that annoying cat loop atrocity but other than that great work.

I feel like I need to address the elephant in the room though. I can't be the only person who had his/her mind blown by the documentary on Mexicans in really long winkle-pickers. That was so whacked out I had an acid flashback. The dude going on about his seven foot long boots. It just snapped something in my head.

If you want Doran I'll see if I can get you a pair.

Nice! I'd be well up for a pair that were about 4ft long. Nothing too flash or excessive you know?

With matching hat and belt, I assume?

Send me a shoe size and I'll keep an eye open. As Dallas is apparently one of the hotbeds for the scene it shouldn't be too difficult.

But you have to promise me you'll wear them to every metal show.