isn't this series pretty much about the "rockist pantheon,"
all the more reason to think outside it
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
i think my reaction to the list of requirements ("ehhhh whatever then") might be demonstrative of my lack of ambition/attention span
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
xpost -- Rather.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
There's a Sung Tongs one? Cool!
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
Well, yeah, but the problem here becomes reconciling this with the need for a demonstrable audience for the book. Not to say that doesn't exist for records/artists outside the canon, but surely its a huge consideration.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
ha, i was just making the sung tongs one (and the strokes one) up...and yeah, thinking outside the pantheon is a good idea, just don't know if that's what the publishers are looking for. still, would be interesting to know if in the wake of the Dion book there was a flurry of offbeat pitches.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
and this is how canons get ossified and reinforced :((((((((
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
sick of people talking about "canons"
― I want your nose, your shoes and your unicycle (dog latin), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I really would like to write one about Siamese Dream, but its been pitched to death so it seems like the publishers aren't interested for whatever reason.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
with good reason.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
damn, my self-imposed "no pumpkins bashing" rule gets broken over and over on ilm. please forgive me. but i blame anyone who mentions them, really.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
love you, ned.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
I fantasize about doing Secret Treaties.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
I expected that from someone, tbh.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
*says five hail neds*
I would read the shit out of this!
its like a nervous tic...
Roffle.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
i probably wouldn't be too interested in reading a siamese dream book (no offense jon) but it is surprising that there hasn't been a pumpkins one yet, considering that they had major commercial success, but still retain a die hard following. despite corgan's best efforts.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
Someone do Blur's 13 plz
― tropical mall lady (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i mean, i can see maybe 2,000 people being excited about a feelies book. guess it would help that there's literally no competition.
tyler, why not just write a 'proper' feelies book, rather than just a 33 1/3? it might actually be easier.
― dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
despite corgan's best efforts.
The key here. But yeah, I know the band isn't cool to like anymore, but I had a really personal, intense relationship with that record and its one of the few I feel well equipped enough to write about. The Pumpkins have a really rabid following that would likely eat up a book like that, but I think the "hip" factor makes it a non-starter.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Are these for sale as eBooks at all yet? They'd be kind of perfect for the format.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Friday, 27 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think so, I really keep hoping they will thugh.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
why not just write a 'proper' feelies booki dunno, wouldn't that sell even less copies? and be even more work? (see i'm clearly not the person to write this -- i need to think about the love, not the big bucks!)
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
Tyler is the boy with perpetual second thoughts.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
how much do people tend to make out of these? how ilxors have written one?
― banterdict cumberswag (cozen), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
how many, that is
― banterdict cumberswag (cozen), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
judging from aero and whiney's twitter exchange, they've made very little money, if any.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
more work, yes, but you might get enough of an advance to make it worthwhile as a part-time hobby/project for 18 months or so... i've always assumed that 333rd books are to be done more for the love than the cash tbh.
― dave cool it (stevie), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, sounds like they've not really seen much of anything from them. Which seems weird, because those two wrote some of the more popular entries that got lots of good buzz.
(xpost)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe not "weird" as much as "sad" because aero's book was amazing and he deserves to get mad paid for writing it.
i've never actually seen one in a bookstore, but i don't go to a lot of bookstores. and i never go to barnes & noble. they would probably have them there.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
No, actually they don't. I've never seen them in any Barnes & Noble. The only places I know to buy them is record shops.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
i've seen a shelf of them somewhere irl, either in b&n or borders (rip)
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
they show up occasionally at the big indie bookstore in denver, but the record store is where i've seen 'em most often.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah they tend to show up at indie stores -- last time I saw a batch was at a bookstore on Valencia in SF last month.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
might have helped make people some money if you could buy them in a book store.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
just sayin'...
maybe the new management will get on that.
shelf space is limited, even more than ever. gotta make room for the twilight books, you know. maybe i'll pitch the twilight soundtrack.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but they are thin and so uniform. like snacks. make great end displays.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
They carry them at the B&N in Union Square NYC but that doesn't really count I guess.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I always thought that was kind of a missed opportunity to pull in some casual fans that don't spend a lot of time in record stores.
lol tylerw otm though
Have you guys been in a Barnes & Noble lately? There is literally a section for "New Teen Paranormal Romance" that is twice the size of the art and architecture section.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
Before Borders closed, the one in Portland, ME used to have around a dozen of them in the music section. But the record store there has two displays - with books and by the cash registers.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i mean they seem like they'd be perfect for any book store -- little impulse buys or gift items. but they're definitely not in the b&n near me.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
they had their own little rack in a bookstore here in la for a while
― buzza, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
They stocked them at City Lights in SF. granted I haven't been inside City Lights in like 5 years.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
definitely seen them in Powell's in Portland as well.
Yeah I think the point is that not getting them into the big chain stores was a missed opportunity.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link