ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

thanks gr80. gonna go post this up now.

+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft

yup. teenage BOYS

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:46 PM

guess you missed those rolling teen pop threads huh

― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:02 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes the 3-4 people in those threads is really equivalent to the huge critical traction of odd future

but i feel like rap right now -- maybe because it's getting less popular commercially -- is sorta going thru the same sorta method of hype that indie rock goes thru... like we may one day look back on asap rocky as the tapes n tapes or clap your hands say yeah of this period in rap music

this is interesting. do you think that rap's inbuilt fetishisation of success adds to this? or is that more pertinent to jay & kanye STILL being the #1 commercial rappers, people taking rick ross seriously etc

+ aging dudes who go into auto THIS IS AWESOME mode with anything young & annoying are so transparently trying to beat the clock i.e. fronting are like the worst dudes of all time

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

qft

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 2:50 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

uh lex no offense but if there was ever an adult who seemed to be trying to hear music through the ears of a tween it's you

i mean, Tyler is like the exact same age as Mac Miller and Azealia Banks and Slim Dunkin and Tyga or like Biggie when he dropped his first single. The only reason his age is important is because he's a 20 year old who actually acts like a 16 year old, like running around and falling down to freak people out and calling everyone faggot because he thinks its funny

tbf Azealia Banks seems like a bit of an idiot too

at least she makes decent music though

that remains to be seen really

she made a bunch of songs that are better as instrumentals!

i only mean "212" really lol, i don't like anything else she's done this year (weirdly the second best thing i've heard from her is the thing she did over ladytron's "17" a few years ago)

people taking rick ross seriously etc

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 1:53 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought ppl started taking ross mores seriously because he's consistently made p good records and gotten a lot better as his career has gone on

I just assumed it was some infectious disease, like chlamydia

m@tt this is one of those 'it's chinatown' convos you probably don't want to start

?? w/lex or in general? i wasn't a hater of ross, but i thought he was p average at best but i listened to deeper than rap the other day and thought it was a great big sounding commercial crime boss type album

w/ lex. his new one, 'rich forever', is goon-approved. i think it's his best

offtopic (kinda) but has it ever come out who ghostwrites for ross?

don't think so. i kind of like that its a semi-obvious possibly untrue fact that everyone ignores, old-school performer-not-auteur style

i find listening to music with a third person viewpoint or some sort of meta removal/"What do the fans and critical response teach us about this music" to be profoundly uninformative and masturbatory; judging any music by any other primary standard beyond "Do I like it" is just the worst and presuming that simply because you don't like it that anyone else's appreciation is based on ignorance/trendhopping/bad taste is just the second worst.

― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Friday, January 27, 2012 12:25 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

disagree with this. i think the extent to which ppl are interested in talking about strictly formal properties of music barring any social context is pretty limited. evidence: Rolling YouTube 2012 YouTube Non-Drama YouTube Rap YouTube Thread

I find the whole ghost-writing thing pretty fascinating. It blew my young mind when i found out Jay-Z did Still D.R.E

i dont think that's semi-obvious, don't feel like his raps would've been /that/ hard for early-ross to write

I find the whole ghost-writing thing pretty fascinating. It blew my young mind when i found out Jay-Z did Still D.R.E

I only recently learned that ghostwriting was a thing in hip hop!

w/ lex. his new one, 'rich forever', is goon-approved. i think it's his best

smh "goon-approved". stop trying to claim a hivemind. you know full well i was not the only one in that thread arguing against rawse

I find the whole ghost-writing thing pretty fascinating. It blew my young mind when i found out Jay-Z did Still D.R.E
I only recently learned that ghostwriting was a thing in hip hop!

― i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:10 (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^, p much. i kinda couldn't be bothered wading through it but there was some weird rumouring on a forum about jay electronica drafting verses for jay on watch the throne, i couldn't really keep up. jay's verses are mostly cool old contempo-dad jay on that rec though so i don't think i believe it

anyone who's been into female MCs over the years will sadly be all too aware of ghostwriting and the accusations thereof ;_;

dgaf, ilu anyway foxy

big daddy kane ghostwrote a lot back in the day

go on...

How to Rap: Is ghost-writing for someone else harder?

Big Daddy Kane: For me, ghost-writing for someone else wasn’t hard, because if I did it in my style that’s pretty much something good for you, and doing it in someone else’s style, if they have a more simpler style then it makes my job easier, because now I ain’t got to think too complicated. For example, writing for Biz, it wasn’t really about having hot rhymes, it was about having something funny, Biz just wanted something funny to say. And with [Roxanne] Shanté I could try to pretty much put it in her flow, but really with Shanté she wanted to do what I liked doing, just basically being sarcastic and she is like the master of sarcasm. So basically I’d be sarcastic like I normally would, but just make it to fit a woman.

i'd really like to see an in-depth article on this but i guess there's kind of an omerta in place

unless ross is really keeping someone under wraps, the only person i could see ghostwriting for him is gunplay... which maybe explains why he's still riding with MMG even tho they don't seem to care much about his career

but honestly ghostwriting speculation bores me just as much as beef speculation... to me it's entirely plausible that rick ross -- and whoever else -- just became better artists as time progressed. in 2006 people really wanted you to believe that gillie the kid ghostwrote for lil wayne, which now comes off as utterly absurd.

ghostwriting (and rhyme biting) has been going on since the dawn of the genre. Dunno if Kane really counts as "ghostwriting" since he's credited on those Biz records.

there are bajillions of examples - Cube and D.O.C. wrote lyrics for everybody in NWA etc

I don't think it really matters in terms of judging quality, but it is interesting from a formal/nuts-n-bolts perspective

yeah well i guess Jay-Z etc. isn't proper ghost writing cos he's credited but i just find it interesting to think about the actual process

smh "goon-approved". stop trying to claim a hivemind. you know full well i was not the only one in that thread arguing against rawse

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 3:34 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

youre right, it was you and al

when its like 8 ppl vs. 2 i tend to say 'goon approved' -- i don't like everything that is goon approved either, lots of goons were into odd future & i certainly wouldn't say boldy james was goon approved. this isn't about me pushing my taste on anyone, lex, but i think if you look through that thread you'll find considerably more ppl enthusiastic about 'rich forver' than dissing it

http://i.imgur.com/MLNU9.png

unless ross is really keeping someone under wraps, the only person i could see ghostwriting for him is gunplay... which maybe explains why he's still riding with MMG even tho they don't seem to care much about his career

but honestly ghostwriting speculation bores me just as much as beef speculation... to me it's entirely plausible that rick ross -- and whoever else -- just became better artists as time progressed. in 2006 people really wanted you to believe that gillie the kid ghostwrote for lil wayne, which now comes off as utterly absurd.

― J0rdan S., Friday, January 27, 2012 5:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is otm. ross doesn't have a ghostwriter, c'mon, even his good stuff is totally consistent (in terms of flow, tone, word choice, etc.) with his not good stuff. he wrote most of diddy's raps on LTTP and all that stuff has transparently obvious ross flows, so did the ghostwriter have a ghostwriter? makes no sense.

i think the answer to that would be, ross could have an exclusive ghostwriter, and puff hired him

but that does seem a bit farfetched.

xxxp flops, you misunderstand the purpose of that thread methinks

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this is real good btw

Saw a billion new posts in this thread, figured it either meant Tyler did something stupid or Earl was back.

Shocked/pleased to discover it's the latter. This is pretty good.

6 new posts = a billion?

i'm still waiting for my email confirmation :\

maybe using the name "Steely Dan" and uploading this photo as an avatar wasnt a good move?

http://i.imgur.com/q3ZoG.jpg

oh i can play the song tho